Comments on: SCHIPS, US Healthcare and Health Insurance… two very different things and a lesson for Ireland. http://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/2007/10/25/schips-us-healthcare-and-health-insurance-two-very-different-things-and-a-lesson-for-ireland/ For Lefties too Stubborn to Quit Tue, 17 Nov 2009 07:05:24 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: sophia http://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/2007/10/25/schips-us-healthcare-and-health-insurance-two-very-different-things-and-a-lesson-for-ireland/#comment-39858 sophia Sun, 18 Jan 2009 14:09:37 +0000 http://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/2007/10/25/schips-us-healthcare-and-health-insurance-two-very-different-things-and-a-lesson-for-ireland/#comment-39858 If you were in charge of the budget, would you provide for your family first before helping others? We are in a crisis financially in this country. Our debt is huge. Our citizens are hurting. So what does the House of Reps do? They pass SCHIPS with a tag-a-long = include children of illegals and/or illegal children of legals.(yes, there are those). We should get our own house in order before throwing money at the problems of other countries. Tell the senate to stop this nonsense. If you were in charge of the budget, would you provide for your family first before helping others?
We are in a crisis financially in this country. Our debt is huge. Our citizens are hurting. So what does the House of Reps do? They pass SCHIPS with a tag-a-long = include children of illegals and/or illegal children of legals.(yes, there are those).
We should get our own house in order before throwing money at the problems of other countries.
Tell the senate to stop this nonsense.

]]> By: wintervssummer http://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/2007/10/25/schips-us-healthcare-and-health-insurance-two-very-different-things-and-a-lesson-for-ireland/#comment-38755 wintervssummer Sat, 29 Nov 2008 16:41:38 +0000 http://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/2007/10/25/schips-us-healthcare-and-health-insurance-two-very-different-things-and-a-lesson-for-ireland/#comment-38755 I very much love summer :) Someone very much loves winter :( I Wish to know whom more :) For what you love winter? For what you love summer? Let's argue :) I very much love summer :)
Someone very much loves winter :(
I Wish to know whom more :)
For what you love winter?
For what you love summer? Let’s argue :)

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]]> By: SCHIPS, US Healthcare and Health Insurance… two very different things and a lesson for Ireland. http://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/2007/10/25/schips-us-healthcare-and-health-insurance-two-very-different-things-and-a-lesson-for-ireland/#comment-23612 SCHIPS, US Healthcare and Health Insurance… two very different things and a lesson for Ireland. Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:26:12 +0000 http://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/2007/10/25/schips-us-healthcare-and-health-insurance-two-very-different-things-and-a-lesson-for-ireland/#comment-23612 [...] WorldbyStorm Blogged about a good topic today on cedarlounge.wordpress.comRead this summary…. [...] [...] WorldbyStorm Blogged about a good topic today on cedarlounge.wordpress.comRead this summary…. [...]

]]> By: WorldbyStorm http://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/2007/10/25/schips-us-healthcare-and-health-insurance-two-very-different-things-and-a-lesson-for-ireland/#comment-23552 WorldbyStorm Sun, 28 Oct 2007 18:39:54 +0000 http://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/2007/10/25/schips-us-healthcare-and-health-insurance-two-very-different-things-and-a-lesson-for-ireland/#comment-23552 Which I'd agree with. Hence the need for equitable outcomes. Which I’d agree with. Hence the need for equitable outcomes.

]]> By: Garibaldy http://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/2007/10/25/schips-us-healthcare-and-health-insurance-two-very-different-things-and-a-lesson-for-ireland/#comment-23449 Garibaldy Sat, 27 Oct 2007 10:03:33 +0000 http://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/2007/10/25/schips-us-healthcare-and-health-insurance-two-very-different-things-and-a-lesson-for-ireland/#comment-23449 Agree on the democratic deficit needing addressed. But healthcare is something that is supposed to be equal for everybody, and there is a large element of danger in localism for healthcare. Agree on the democratic deficit needing addressed. But healthcare is something that is supposed to be equal for everybody, and there is a large element of danger in localism for healthcare.

]]> By: WorldbyStorm http://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/2007/10/25/schips-us-healthcare-and-health-insurance-two-very-different-things-and-a-lesson-for-ireland/#comment-23448 WorldbyStorm Sat, 27 Oct 2007 09:57:48 +0000 http://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/2007/10/25/schips-us-healthcare-and-health-insurance-two-very-different-things-and-a-lesson-for-ireland/#comment-23448 I'm not so concerned with choice as such. I agree, it becomes a fetish. But, localised control or accountability is important. One of the huge issues of the contemporary period is the sense of detachment or distance between people and entities. That's bad because it leads to a loss of a sense of ownership. But of course outcomes have to be the same. I’m not so concerned with choice as such. I agree, it becomes a fetish. But, localised control or accountability is important. One of the huge issues of the contemporary period is the sense of detachment or distance between people and entities. That’s bad because it leads to a loss of a sense of ownership. But of course outcomes have to be the same.

]]> By: Garibaldy http://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/2007/10/25/schips-us-healthcare-and-health-insurance-two-very-different-things-and-a-lesson-for-ireland/#comment-23446 Garibaldy Sat, 27 Oct 2007 09:19:46 +0000 http://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/2007/10/25/schips-us-healthcare-and-health-insurance-two-very-different-things-and-a-lesson-for-ireland/#comment-23446 I wonder if decentralisation is automatically more efficient. Or necessarily more democratic in something like a health service. What we've seen in the NHS trusts is loads of petty bureaucrats building empires, and hiding disasters, and being able to do so due to the lack of oversight from the centre. Clearly health services need to be more responsive to needs at a local level. BUT the fetishisation of choice contains dangers. We are now looking at a position in the UK where people will supposedly be able to choose which hospitals to go to. Which will lead to a concentration of funding in some places and the neglect of others. Personally, I'd rather see and efficient and well-run hospital that got me better and where I didn't have a choice, than an illusion of choice and a postcode lottery. I wonder if decentralisation is automatically more efficient. Or necessarily more democratic in something like a health service. What we’ve seen in the NHS trusts is loads of petty bureaucrats building empires, and hiding disasters, and being able to do so due to the lack of oversight from the centre.

Clearly health services need to be more responsive to needs at a local level. BUT the fetishisation of choice contains dangers. We are now looking at a position in the UK where people will supposedly be able to choose which hospitals to go to. Which will lead to a concentration of funding in some places and the neglect of others. Personally, I’d rather see and efficient and well-run hospital that got me better and where I didn’t have a choice, than an illusion of choice and a postcode lottery.

]]> By: WorldbyStorm http://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/2007/10/25/schips-us-healthcare-and-health-insurance-two-very-different-things-and-a-lesson-for-ireland/#comment-23441 WorldbyStorm Sat, 27 Oct 2007 09:03:31 +0000 http://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/2007/10/25/schips-us-healthcare-and-health-insurance-two-very-different-things-and-a-lesson-for-ireland/#comment-23441 Hmmm... I know where you're coming from Garibaldy, but funding of course depends on many different factors. But I'm with Eagle if it is a case of control as distinct from funding. Decentralisation is a good thing... and clearly more democratic. Hmmm… I know where you’re coming from Garibaldy, but funding of course depends on many different factors. But I’m with Eagle if it is a case of control as distinct from funding. Decentralisation is a good thing… and clearly more democratic.

]]> By: Garibaldy http://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/2007/10/25/schips-us-healthcare-and-health-insurance-two-very-different-things-and-a-lesson-for-ireland/#comment-23438 Garibaldy Sat, 27 Oct 2007 08:48:14 +0000 http://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/2007/10/25/schips-us-healthcare-and-health-insurance-two-very-different-things-and-a-lesson-for-ireland/#comment-23438 Localised funding. So then the rich areas have good hospitals, and the poor areas poor ones. Decentralisation (and the privitisation of support services) has been tried with the NHS trusts. The result is huge sums wasted on bureaucracy, and worse service, MRSA etc. Localised funding. So then the rich areas have good hospitals, and the poor areas poor ones.

Decentralisation (and the privitisation of support services) has been tried with the NHS trusts. The result is huge sums wasted on bureaucracy, and worse service, MRSA etc.

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