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		<title>By: WorldbyStorm</title>
		<link>http://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/2008/01/14/us-casualties-in-iraq/#comment-28087</link>
		<dc:creator>WorldbyStorm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very true Eagle. Thinking back to Petreaus, one thing that struck me was that he actually got and understood the divisions, and similarities on the ground between Iraqi&#039;s...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very true Eagle. Thinking back to Petreaus, one thing that struck me was that he actually got and understood the divisions, and similarities on the ground between Iraqi&#8217;s&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Eagle</title>
		<link>http://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/2008/01/14/us-casualties-in-iraq/#comment-28085</link>
		<dc:creator>Eagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;So premature optimism is always a problem. What is clear is that what is emerging in the aftermath of an appalling three or four years is far far from the optimum or even near optimum solution Bush sought…&lt;/i&gt;

Absolutely true that premature optimism is always a problem. However, this optimism may not be premature. It doesn&#039;t mean success is guaranteed or even necessarily close, but I&#039;m beginning to sense that this might really have a positive conclusion. Might. Hope. 

It has been an appalling three or four years, but what the solution/conclusion will be is still wide open. I can understand why anyone would remain cautious or even pessimistic. I too have trouble being optimistic, but there are times when I can actually see this whole thing turning out even better than it might have had everything gone according to plan in 2003. Hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>So premature optimism is always a problem. What is clear is that what is emerging in the aftermath of an appalling three or four years is far far from the optimum or even near optimum solution Bush sought…</i></p>
<p>Absolutely true that premature optimism is always a problem. However, this optimism may not be premature. It doesn&#8217;t mean success is guaranteed or even necessarily close, but I&#8217;m beginning to sense that this might really have a positive conclusion. Might. Hope. </p>
<p>It has been an appalling three or four years, but what the solution/conclusion will be is still wide open. I can understand why anyone would remain cautious or even pessimistic. I too have trouble being optimistic, but there are times when I can actually see this whole thing turning out even better than it might have had everything gone according to plan in 2003. Hope.</p>
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		<title>By: WorldbyStorm</title>
		<link>http://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/2008/01/14/us-casualties-in-iraq/#comment-28070</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interestingly Petreaus (what a name, one thinks of him at the head of a Roman Legion) is one of the very few US personalities to come well out of the Occupation book by Leslie Cockburn...

I don&#039;t know myself. The insurgency seems to be burning itself out to some degree. Mind you, looking at the Lebanon and other places it&#039;s clear such things can continue for decades. So premature optimism is always a problem. What is clear is that what is emerging in the aftermath of an appalling three or four years is far far from the optimum or even near optimum solution Bush sought...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interestingly Petreaus (what a name, one thinks of him at the head of a Roman Legion) is one of the very few US personalities to come well out of the Occupation book by Leslie Cockburn&#8230;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know myself. The insurgency seems to be burning itself out to some degree. Mind you, looking at the Lebanon and other places it&#8217;s clear such things can continue for decades. So premature optimism is always a problem. What is clear is that what is emerging in the aftermath of an appalling three or four years is far far from the optimum or even near optimum solution Bush sought&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Eamonn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eamonn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;or have Iraqi militants calaculated that the better option is to hunker down, hit more vulnerable Iraqi civilian and security targets and wait for the surge to die away knowing the US doesn’t have the ability to sustain it? &quot;

if they are they are surely making a mistake. Whatever has been going on has only been partly related to the increased number of American boots on the ground. Petraeus has been using the forces available to him with more imagination than his predecesors and there is no necessary reason why the insurgents *must* win in Iraq.

Assuming the Yanks are doing better, at least a bit, the key question is whether or not the Iraqi government is getting its act together while it has the chance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;or have Iraqi militants calaculated that the better option is to hunker down, hit more vulnerable Iraqi civilian and security targets and wait for the surge to die away knowing the US doesn’t have the ability to sustain it? &#8221;</p>
<p>if they are they are surely making a mistake. Whatever has been going on has only been partly related to the increased number of American boots on the ground. Petraeus has been using the forces available to him with more imagination than his predecesors and there is no necessary reason why the insurgents *must* win in Iraq.</p>
<p>Assuming the Yanks are doing better, at least a bit, the key question is whether or not the Iraqi government is getting its act together while it has the chance.</p>
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		<title>By: Eagle</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And an opposing view from Lt. Peter Hegseth.
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YmI2ZDBhZjYzYjA5ZmE5NmNkMjk2YzBlYWU0MjhhMTE=</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And an opposing view from Lt. Peter Hegseth.<br />
<a href="http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YmI2ZDBhZjYzYjA5ZmE5NmNkMjk2YzBlYWU0MjhhMTE=" rel="nofollow">http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YmI2ZDBhZjYzYjA5ZmE5NmNkMjk2YzBlYWU0MjhhMTE=</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ed Hayes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Hayes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A related view on this from Tom Hayden (a prominent supporter of Sinn Fein by the way).

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080121/hayden2</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A related view on this from Tom Hayden (a prominent supporter of Sinn Fein by the way).</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080121/hayden2" rel="nofollow">http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080121/hayden2</a></p>
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		<title>By: Eagle</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>VPS,

Well, sort of. From what I gather, the coalition forces &quot;clear&quot; and the Iraqi forces &quot;hold&quot;. That enables everyone to (re)&quot;build&quot;. &quot;Clear, hold, build&quot; was General Petreaus&#039;s COIN strategy from 2006.

I&#039;ve only breezed through this, but if you&#039;re interested here it is.
http://usacac.army.mil/cac/repository/materials/coin-fm3-24.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VPS,</p>
<p>Well, sort of. From what I gather, the coalition forces &#8220;clear&#8221; and the Iraqi forces &#8220;hold&#8221;. That enables everyone to (re)&#8221;build&#8221;. &#8220;Clear, hold, build&#8221; was General Petreaus&#8217;s COIN strategy from 2006.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve only breezed through this, but if you&#8217;re interested here it is.<br />
<a href="http://usacac.army.mil/cac/repository/materials/coin-fm3-24.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://usacac.army.mil/cac/repository/materials/coin-fm3-24.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: A Very Public Sociologist</title>
		<link>http://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/2008/01/14/us-casualties-in-iraq/#comment-28062</link>
		<dc:creator>A Very Public Sociologist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is possible the strategy could be working, it&#039;s probably still to early to say. I haven&#039;t seen the figures, but could declining US casualties be on account of more Iraqi personnel being used in previously difficult areas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is possible the strategy could be working, it&#8217;s probably still to early to say. I haven&#8217;t seen the figures, but could declining US casualties be on account of more Iraqi personnel being used in previously difficult areas?</p>
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		<title>By: Eagle</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank,

I&#039;m probably only slightly less skeptical than you. Those questions have been milling around in my head for weeks. I&#039;ve even seen stories about refugees returning. 

If the American media begins to build momentum for a success story it will undoubtedly help the Republicans if Obama is the Democrat&#039;s nominee, but unless the Republicans nominate McCain I don&#039;t think there&#039;ll be much benefit against Clinton. Interestingly, so far the economy is a bigger issue with voters according to the polls than is the war. The economy stupid might be the Democrats&#039; best campaign slogan again.

Bush&#039;s approval ratings are still in the mid 30 percent range.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m probably only slightly less skeptical than you. Those questions have been milling around in my head for weeks. I&#8217;ve even seen stories about refugees returning. </p>
<p>If the American media begins to build momentum for a success story it will undoubtedly help the Republicans if Obama is the Democrat&#8217;s nominee, but unless the Republicans nominate McCain I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;ll be much benefit against Clinton. Interestingly, so far the economy is a bigger issue with voters according to the polls than is the war. The economy stupid might be the Democrats&#8217; best campaign slogan again.</p>
<p>Bush&#8217;s approval ratings are still in the mid 30 percent range.</p>
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