Comments on: Raising the tone of the Dáil… the lonely task of Dr. Martin Mansergh http://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/2008/01/31/heightening-the-tone-of-the-dail-the-lonely-task-of-dr-martin-mansergh/ For Lefties too Stubborn to Quit Tue, 17 Nov 2009 00:52:50 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Pete http://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/2008/01/31/heightening-the-tone-of-the-dail-the-lonely-task-of-dr-martin-mansergh/#comment-28892 Pete Fri, 01 Feb 2008 16:09:29 +0000 http://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/?p=975#comment-28892 Fianna Fail has historically received the votes of the working class: Mansergh drew attention to this at the Greaves school. Yeah the c was gloating about that Ed I've had difficluties with some of your views before 'But Manseragh is intellectual ballast for property crooks' pure class and no more need be said about the man Fianna Fail has historically received the votes of the working class: Mansergh drew attention to this at the Greaves school.

Yeah the c was gloating about that

Ed I’ve had difficluties with some of your views before

‘But Manseragh is intellectual ballast for property crooks’

pure class and no more need be said about the man

]]> By: Garibaldy http://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/2008/01/31/heightening-the-tone-of-the-dail-the-lonely-task-of-dr-martin-mansergh/#comment-28891 Garibaldy Fri, 01 Feb 2008 15:50:29 +0000 http://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/?p=975#comment-28891 Burke was a Whig. And claimed, somewhat appropriately for this debate, that they left him rather than the other way round after the blow-up over the French Revolution. Burke was a Whig. And claimed, somewhat appropriately for this debate, that they left him rather than the other way round after the blow-up over the French Revolution.

]]> By: Ed Hayes http://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/2008/01/31/heightening-the-tone-of-the-dail-the-lonely-task-of-dr-martin-mansergh/#comment-28886 Ed Hayes Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:43:00 +0000 http://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/?p=975#comment-28886 I agree. But its in FG's DNA to be small-minded. That people confuse them with cuddly liberal social democrats is partly because of media bias and partly because of fuzzy memories of Garret the Good battling CJH in his mismatched shoes. But Manseragh is intellectual ballast for property crooks. I agree. But its in FG’s DNA to be small-minded. That people confuse them with cuddly liberal social democrats is partly because of media bias and partly because of fuzzy memories of Garret the Good battling CJH in his mismatched shoes.
But Manseragh is intellectual ballast for property crooks.

]]> By: CL http://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/2008/01/31/heightening-the-tone-of-the-dail-the-lonely-task-of-dr-martin-mansergh/#comment-28884 CL Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:23:10 +0000 http://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/?p=975#comment-28884 Wasn't Burke a Whig rather than a Tory? To attack someone for using a French quotation in an Irish parliament while the entire debate, except for the cupla focail, is conducted in English is laughable. Fianna Fail has historically received the votes of the working class: Mansergh drew attention to this at the Greaves school. Mansergh was an ardent defender of the criminal Haughey, and its certainly legitimate to criticize his current efforts on behalf of the ethically-challenged Ahern, but to sneer at the man because of his accent and his suspect 'Irishness' is small-minded provincialism. Wasn’t Burke a Whig rather than a Tory?
To attack someone for using a French quotation in an Irish parliament while the entire debate, except for the cupla focail, is conducted in English is laughable.
Fianna Fail has historically received the votes of the working class: Mansergh drew attention to this at the Greaves school.
Mansergh was an ardent defender of the criminal Haughey, and its certainly legitimate to criticize his current efforts on behalf of the ethically-challenged Ahern, but to sneer at the man because of his accent and his suspect ‘Irishness’ is small-minded provincialism.

]]> By: Ed Hayes http://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/2008/01/31/heightening-the-tone-of-the-dail-the-lonely-task-of-dr-martin-mansergh/#comment-28882 Ed Hayes Fri, 01 Feb 2008 13:39:49 +0000 http://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/?p=975#comment-28882 He probably has but it takes him about three hours to say anything so its not that effective. Thats childish, I know. He probably has but it takes him about three hours to say anything so its not that effective. Thats childish, I know.

]]> By: JC http://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/2008/01/31/heightening-the-tone-of-the-dail-the-lonely-task-of-dr-martin-mansergh/#comment-28881 JC Fri, 01 Feb 2008 13:07:07 +0000 http://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/?p=975#comment-28881 <i>Does he ‘approve’ of corruption?</i> He certainly approves of Haughey's reign as Taoiseach, and continues to see no flaws in the man. For all his republicanism Mansergh, it should be remembered, is the man who put Fianna Fáil above his country in refusing to be stay in the civil service under John Bruton's government. With regard to his internationalism, Mansergh attacked Fine Gael during the election for having some of their election posters printed in Germany. Just because the guy comes across as an intellectual and quotes French doesn't make him worthy of praise. I wonder if he has ever heckled members of the opposition? Does he ‘approve’ of corruption?

He certainly approves of Haughey’s reign as Taoiseach, and continues to see no flaws in the man.

For all his republicanism Mansergh, it should be remembered, is the man who put Fianna Fáil above his country in refusing to be stay in the civil service under John Bruton’s government.

With regard to his internationalism, Mansergh attacked Fine Gael during the election for having some of their election posters printed in Germany.

Just because the guy comes across as an intellectual and quotes French doesn’t make him worthy of praise. I wonder if he has ever heckled members of the opposition?

]]> By: Pete http://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/2008/01/31/heightening-the-tone-of-the-dail-the-lonely-task-of-dr-martin-mansergh/#comment-28880 Pete Fri, 01 Feb 2008 12:33:59 +0000 http://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/?p=975#comment-28880 Approve of corruption - I'm afriad his blatherings in support Haughey ('a man he is proud to have called a freind'), Reynolds and Ahern leave me with no other possible conclusion Approve of corruption – I’m afriad his blatherings in support Haughey (‘a man he is proud to have called a freind’), Reynolds and Ahern leave me with no other possible conclusion

]]> By: Ed Hayes http://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/2008/01/31/heightening-the-tone-of-the-dail-the-lonely-task-of-dr-martin-mansergh/#comment-28870 Ed Hayes Fri, 01 Feb 2008 09:27:32 +0000 http://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/?p=975#comment-28870 Manseragh is very much FF's pet intellactual and a more devious and sneaky character than the 'bumbling Prod' exterior might suggest. Very close to CJH for many years of course. But the 'Irishness' comments are very much in FG's character; remember Cosgrave and the 'mongrel foxes'? If the Greens are their lost social democratic wing then their Blueshirt wing are never lost, just dozing. Manseragh is very much FF’s pet intellactual and a more devious and sneaky character than the ‘bumbling Prod’ exterior might suggest. Very close to CJH for many years of course. But the ‘Irishness’ comments are very much in FG’s character; remember Cosgrave and the ‘mongrel foxes’? If the Greens are their lost social democratic wing then their Blueshirt wing are never lost, just dozing.

]]> By: WorldbyStorm http://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/2008/01/31/heightening-the-tone-of-the-dail-the-lonely-task-of-dr-martin-mansergh/#comment-28868 WorldbyStorm Fri, 01 Feb 2008 08:33:57 +0000 http://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/?p=975#comment-28868 Are you quite certain you're not projecting attitudes and beliefs onto the man, Pete? Sure, Mansergh is a man of his class, and generation, but then so are numerous members of the British Labour Party over the years like Benn, etc, who broke away from it. Does he 'approve' of corruption? Are you quite certain you’re not projecting attitudes and beliefs onto the man, Pete? Sure, Mansergh is a man of his class, and generation, but then so are numerous members of the British Labour Party over the years like Benn, etc, who broke away from it. Does he ‘approve’ of corruption?

]]> By: Pete http://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/2008/01/31/heightening-the-tone-of-the-dail-the-lonely-task-of-dr-martin-mansergh/#comment-28863 Pete Fri, 01 Feb 2008 02:33:51 +0000 http://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/?p=975#comment-28863 Why is it laughable that Tipp TD be declared a ‘high Tory’, he approves of corruption just seeing it as the only way the ignorant Irish can govern themselves. He would also like to help those unfortunate working class understand that FF is as good as it gets for them and they should enjoy the titbits that fall from the corrupt table. He is a faux republican and intellectual. I was sickened by that cretin Ahern referring to Burke in his Westminster speech while attempting to purvey some twisted version of republicanism. Why is it laughable that Tipp TD be declared a ‘high Tory’, he approves of corruption just seeing it as the only way the ignorant Irish can govern themselves. He would also like to help those unfortunate working class understand that FF is as good as it gets for them and they should enjoy the titbits that fall from the corrupt table. He is a faux republican and intellectual. I was sickened by that cretin Ahern referring to Burke in his Westminster speech while attempting to purvey some twisted version of republicanism.

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