Comments on: A Young Turk speaks. Social Housing… they’re lovin’ it, just not in that particular part of Sandymount. http://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/2008/02/19/a-young-turk-speaks-social-housing-theyre-lovin-it-just-not-in-that-particular-part-of-sandymount/ For Lefties too Stubborn to Quit Tue, 17 Nov 2009 00:52:50 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: WorldbyStorm http://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/2008/02/19/a-young-turk-speaks-social-housing-theyre-lovin-it-just-not-in-that-particular-part-of-sandymount/#comment-29699 WorldbyStorm Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:20:25 +0000 http://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/?p=1041#comment-29699 I seem to recall them as well in my distant past. Shudder. I'm sure they were the height of modernity at one point in time. I seem to recall them as well in my distant past. Shudder. I’m sure they were the height of modernity at one point in time.

]]> By: ejh http://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/2008/02/19/a-young-turk-speaks-social-housing-theyre-lovin-it-just-not-in-that-particular-part-of-sandymount/#comment-29694 ejh Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:42:54 +0000 http://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/?p=1041#comment-29694 Doilies are upper middle class? My gran had doilies and she worked on a supermarket till. Doilies are upper middle class? My gran had doilies and she worked on a supermarket till.

]]> By: WorldbyStorm http://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/2008/02/19/a-young-turk-speaks-social-housing-theyre-lovin-it-just-not-in-that-particular-part-of-sandymount/#comment-29690 WorldbyStorm Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:56:19 +0000 http://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/?p=1041#comment-29690 Allow me my flights of rhetoric PT! Allow me my flights of rhetoric PT!

]]> By: Pavement Trauma http://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/2008/02/19/a-young-turk-speaks-social-housing-theyre-lovin-it-just-not-in-that-particular-part-of-sandymount/#comment-29687 Pavement Trauma Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:44:25 +0000 http://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/?p=1041#comment-29687 Not just middle class apartments but <i>upper</i> middle class apartments? Good GOD. How exactly is an apartment 'upper middle class'? Does it come with doilies? Maids quarters? The latest missive from the Socialist Party (actually that should probably be The! Socialist!! Party!!! such is its abundant of exclamation marks) representative in Howth says they oppose a proposed Affordable Housing Scheme in Baldoyle in Seagrange Park. Usual stuff about traffic, drainage etc but the main reason appears to be that someone is going to make money from it and they are just not having that. Not just middle class apartments but upper middle class apartments? Good GOD. How exactly is an apartment ‘upper middle class’? Does it come with doilies? Maids quarters?

The latest missive from the Socialist Party (actually that should probably be The! Socialist!! Party!!! such is its abundant of exclamation marks) representative in Howth says they oppose a proposed Affordable Housing Scheme in Baldoyle in Seagrange Park. Usual stuff about traffic, drainage etc but the main reason appears to be that someone is going to make money from it and they are just not having that.

]]> By: WorldbyStorm http://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/2008/02/19/a-young-turk-speaks-social-housing-theyre-lovin-it-just-not-in-that-particular-part-of-sandymount/#comment-29540 WorldbyStorm Tue, 19 Feb 2008 18:19:34 +0000 http://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/?p=1041#comment-29540 We clearly live fairly close to each other Damian. BTW, I was talking to a local residents person who was very concerned about social housing going in by the elderly housing. It's heavy going trying to negotiate through all this. Re supermarket. Well, some sort of shops above and beyond Centra/Spar hegemony would be good but I agree completely, there is a complete paucity of vision when it comes to the issue of what we actually do with these sites and as you say, apartments ain't gonna cut the mustard. There is talk of putting in some sort of community hall in any future development on the fire station site. We clearly live fairly close to each other Damian. BTW, I was talking to a local residents person who was very concerned about social housing going in by the elderly housing. It’s heavy going trying to negotiate through all this. Re supermarket. Well, some sort of shops above and beyond Centra/Spar hegemony would be good but I agree completely, there is a complete paucity of vision when it comes to the issue of what we actually do with these sites and as you say, apartments ain’t gonna cut the mustard. There is talk of putting in some sort of community hall in any future development on the fire station site.

]]> By: Damian O'Broin http://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/2008/02/19/a-young-turk-speaks-social-housing-theyre-lovin-it-just-not-in-that-particular-part-of-sandymount/#comment-29518 Damian O'Broin Tue, 19 Feb 2008 10:23:50 +0000 http://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/?p=1041#comment-29518 I wouldn't worry too much about the fire station WBS, even if we are overlooked, the housing market will have collapsed and no-one will be living in those nineteenth floor penthouses. ;-) The fire station is an interesting issue. Clearly as a site it has great potential to be a huge community asset (my elderly next door neighbour wants a supermarket!) and the decision as to what goes in will have a major impact on the character of the area. But it seems we are incapable of building anything that's not apartments or a shopping centre. If there was a shortage of housing units (and clearly there isn't) then as a site it would suit a residential development. But with hundreds of thousands of housing units lying empty, surely we could build something else. The problem is that there is no financial model to support anything other than shops and apartments. Which is where proper planning and public investment come in I wouldn’t worry too much about the fire station WBS, even if we are overlooked, the housing market will have collapsed and no-one will be living in those nineteenth floor penthouses. ;-)

The fire station is an interesting issue. Clearly as a site it has great potential to be a huge community asset (my elderly next door neighbour wants a supermarket!) and the decision as to what goes in will have a major impact on the character of the area. But it seems we are incapable of building anything that’s not apartments or a shopping centre.

If there was a shortage of housing units (and clearly there isn’t) then as a site it would suit a residential development. But with hundreds of thousands of housing units lying empty, surely we could build something else.

The problem is that there is no financial model to support anything other than shops and apartments. Which is where proper planning and public investment come in

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