This is my truth, tell me yours March 13, 2008
Posted by smiffy in European Politics, European Union, Lisbon Treaty.trackback
‘NOW, what I want is, Facts. Teach these boys and girls nothing but Facts. Facts alone are wanted in life. Plant nothing else, and root out everything else. You can only form the minds of reasoning animals upon Facts: nothing else will ever be of any service to them. This is the principle on which I bring up my own children, and this is the principle on which I bring up these children. Stick to Facts, sir!’
Some people are never happy. Patricia McKenna, writing in today’s Irish Times (sub req’d), laments the fact that the Referendum Commission, when establish in advance of the Lisbon Treaty vote, will not be providing pro and anti-Treaty arguments to the public and will be restricted to making neutral statements about the Treaty. McKenna’s argument, to my mind, seems a little confused. She reminds us – rightly – of the importance of the principle won in her Supreme Court case, that
The most important principle regarding fairness in referendums is to recognise that each citizen is an interested party and that therefore the referendum rules should not implicitly prejudge the outcome by being drawn up to favour one side as against another.
Any such provision – for example, using public or State resources, which are contributed to by all citizens, to favour the position of one group of citizens – would be unfair to some interested parties.
However, the thrust of her article seems to suggest that the very fact that the Referendum Commission isn’t going to provide two sets of arguments, for and against, is in itself prejudging the outcome of the referendum and granting an unfair advantage to one side over the other. Indeed, the idea that there are two, equally valid ‘sides’ in every referendum seems to be central to McKenna’s position. She writes:
There are always two sides to any referendum proposition, and for a government to act as if the result were judged in advance is to make a mockery of the referendum process.
While many in government no doubt see the McKenna judgement as an inconvenience, and would rather a free hand when it comes to public spending in referenda campaigns, no one publicly questions its validity and no one proposes that it should be overturned. This makes McKenna’s invocation of it all the more puzzling. She seems to be going beyond the principle that no one side in a referendum campaign should be advantaged over another when it comes to the dispersal of public funds, towards a position that both sides have a right to state support for the promulgation of their arguments.
The problem with this, of course, is the question of who decides which arguments are valid and which are not. On one, very limited, level, McKenna’s correct in stating that there are two sides to any referendum proposition: these are the ‘Yes’ side and ‘No’ side. However, within those two side are a huge variety of different, often contradictory positions. How is the Referendum Commission supposed to be able to judge the validity of the various arguments? The checks and balances McKenna highlights aren’t particularly reassuring:
The arguments were solicited from members of the public, were statutorily required to be relevant to the referendum proposition and to be related to the substantive text of the constitutional amendment proposed. The commission itself vetted the arguments for relevance. In other words, the Yes and No advertisements which it placed could not tell lies, bring in extraneous matter unrelated to the issue or be slanted by spin doctors.
All this provides for, though, is a guarantee that the arguments are relevant to the question being put, not that the arguments themselves are actually valid. Does Patricia McKenna really want a state body weighing up the different arguments in relation to a particular constitutional question, and determining which are right (and, by implication, which are wrong)? Or, alternatively, does she subscribe to the position that all arguments are equally valid and deserve equal coverage? It’s hard to see that the electorate would be any better informed in relation to, for example, the Lisbon Treaty by a Referendum Commission which states that one should vote Yes because it doesn’t affect Irish military neutrality, while at the same time stating that one should No because neutrality will be undermined. The Treaty either does, or doesn’t: these aren’t competing ‘truths’.
This difficulty is thrown into particularly sharp relief in the current referendum campaign, with the emergence of the rather odd Libertas (or, The Libertas Institute). While previous campaigns against EU Treaties have involved very disparate groups, opposing the Treaties on very different grounds, this is the first occasion that I can recall where there has been such a direct contradiction in the claims of the different No campaigns. A large element of the left-wing critique of the Treaty is the emphasis on undistorted competition and free market principles (a reasonable point, in my view, although I think it applies more to a criticism of the EU as a whole than this Treaty specifically). However, if one looks at the Libertas website, they take a somewhat different view:
4. Competition Downgraded
The EU’s traditional commitment to “free and undistorted competition” which has featured in the preamble to every treaty since the founding Treaty of Rome in 1957 has been relegated to a protocol in the Lisbon Treaty. This was at the behest of French President Nicolas Sarkozy who has stated his support for the anti-competitive protectionism of so-called “national champions”. As a small open economy, Ireland relies on having free and undistorted competition to give our domestic entrepreneurs and companies scope and scale for growth. Ryanair, CRH, AIB, Airtricity and a host of other successful Irish companies are the testament to this and are counter-examples to what the Treaty of Lisbon proposes to do.
At least, however, this argument makes some sort of reference to the Treaty (although it’s completely wrong-headed). Most of the ‘arguments’ that Libertas has come up with so far are either completely wrong or completely irrelevant to the Treaty under consideration.
Libertas launched their campaign late in 2007 making the claim that the simplified revision procedures in Article 48 would take away Ireland’s right to a referendum on future Treaties. This is simply untrue – the ratification requirements and provisions of the Crotty judgement remain unchanged – and Libertas seem to have dropped this point.
During a recent interview with Ursula Halligan, when asked the basis of his objection to the Treaty, Declan Ganley gave a long, meandering spiel about legislation was initiated (not passed, of course) by unelected people (i.e. the Commission). This is true, of course, but it’s a fundamental principle of how the EU works and is probably the most appropriate way legislation should be initiated, not that Ganley suggested any alternative. More importantly, though, it’s not an issued addressed in the Treaty and will continue to be the case regardless of whether the Treaty is ratified or not. For someone who claims to be a supporter of the EU, and to have voted Yes to Nice, he displays a profound ignorance of the institutions he criticises.
A more recent argument against the Treaty put forward by Libertas is that it makes the Irish Constitution subordinate to EU law. The basis for this? The clause in the referendum bill which states that
NO PROVISION OF THIS CONSTITUTION invalidates laws enacted, acts done or measures adopted by the State that are necessitated by membership of the European Union, or prevents laws enacted, acts done or measures adopted by the said European Union or by institutions thereof, or by bodies competent under the treaties referred to in this section, from having the force of law in the State.”
To which the press statement adds:
Mr. Ganley said that this clause was in itself sufficient reason to reject the Treaty.
Of course, if Libertas or Mr. Ganley were interested in real debate or the actual substance of the Treaty, they might have bothered to check the Irish Constitution as it currently reads, specifically Article 29.4.10 which states that
No provision of this Constitution invalidates laws enacted, acts done or measures adopted by the State which are necessitated by the obligations of membership of the European Union or of the Communities, or prevents laws enacted, acts done or measures adopted by the European Union or by the Communities or by institutions thereof, or by bodies competent under the Treaties establishing the Communities, from having the force of law in the State.
Sound familiar? The only change actually proposed is the removal of the reference to the European Communities, which would become anachronistic in the event of the Treaty coming into force.
Are these the kinds of arguments Patricia McKenna seriously suggests should receive state funding, and the endorsement of the Referendum Commission? If not, then she’s arguing that the Referendum Commission should go beyond simply presenting the arguments and actually engage in evaluating them, drawing conclusions and, essentially, actively participating in the debate.
The same points could be made, of course, in relation to many other arguments coming from both the ‘No’ and ‘Yes’ camps (and the various factions within them). However, the releases put out by Libertas are particularly ill-informed and confused. Which, ultimately, is what makes their latest slogan “Facts, not politics” so tragically amusing. They seem to have little understanding of either.

Funny crowd, Libertas. Seem to have sprung up from nowhere
a few months ago.
Indeed Brian… I’m sure there’s a tale to tell on them.
As regards the issue of parity which smiffy raises. I think this goes right to the heart of the question of how we are meant to frame divisions on these sort of issues. And contradictions do abound, arguably (for structural reasons) more on the anti-Treaty side than the pro-Treaty side, although I suspect we might see some sort of distinction again on the economic front as betweens the elements of the left supporting it and say FF/FG. In that context does every argument pro or against get an airing? Or is it down to column inches and airtime and funding for same? And then where does that leave individuals and campaigning groups… and Libertas is fascinating because it sort of throws a spanner into the hitherto broadly leftist no-camp by producing a rather pale emulation of UK euro-scepticism. So one has an anti-Treaty right angle as well as a left one. Do both get supported? Or a composite one. Just how does any of this work? Anyhow, just thoughts…
Another funny thing is the extended absence of the Politics.ie website, owned by Libertas’s Campaign Director, David Cochrane. There were some useful discussions about the Lisbon Treaty there, and now we’re not at liberty to read them. And David isn’t offering any explanation…
However, the releases put out by Libertas are particularly ill-informed and confused. Which, ultimately, is what makes their latest slogan “Facts, not politics” so tragically amusing. They seem to have little understanding of either.
How surprised I am to read that it is so, considering the weighty Intellects behind the Open Freedom Institute^H^H Libertas…
PMcK is right to be wary. The people in the referendum commission may/will present as “facts” things which are at best contested and open to interpretation, and at worst downright lies.
It must be possible to find a way to outline the key arguments for and against, even if pointing out that different people on the two sides have a different take on things.
Probably the reason why this is not happening is that there are no good arguments for the Treaty. Look at the main arguments of the yes camp: “the EU has been good for us”, “we have to vote yes to be be listened to in Brussels”, “loolahs”, “headbangers”, etc.
If you start to put them against the arguments of the no side then they look a bit thin in terms of the actual treaty we are supposed to be voting on.
There may be different interpretations on some issues on the no side, but equally on the yes side. Is the Charter of Fundamental Rights an important gain in terms of workers rights (Labour), or does it do nothing to increase costs for employers (FF)?
Funny nobody in the mainstream media has picked up these issues, preferring to present “contradictions” on the no side?
I agree that the Libertas phonomenon is interesting. The right in previous referenda has been mainly of the religious fundamentalist variety (I wonder if they are planning to enter the fray on this one). This kind of sensible, well-heeled, pro-business voice on the no side is something that might give that extra dimension to the no campaign in a “you can be rich and against the Lisbon Treaty” kind of way.
Smiffy: It’s true that a lot of the problems in relation to this Treaty are already in the existing treaties, but there is a growing realisation that not everything is fine and dandy in the EU. Recent rulings of the European Court of Justice are starting to reveal the fangs of the EU project, and are giving people pause for thought. Notice how the trade union movement have not (yet, perhaps they will) come out in rapturous support of this Treaty? See how the narrative of the trade union movement (in Ireland and across Europe) is increasingly critical of developments in the EU? European trade unions are even calling for a new article to be added to the treaty to explicity allow member states to protect workers rights.
True, this is due to issues related to previous treaties (so perhaps those who argued against previous treaties had a point), but the way to register a protest, and to begin to reverse the tide, is to vote no.
I’m sure there’s a tale to tell on them.
Quite likely, the tale is “there are very few of them but they have a lot of money and can therefore afford an HQ and a lot of press releases”. And that’s 21st century politics for you.
Personally I intend to spend the rest of my life playing chess and talking to cats.
It’s far from a bad plan ejh…
The Crotty judgement, if memory serves, held that a referendum was required because there was a proposed derogation of sovereignty and hence a change to the Irish Constitution. As outlined above by Smiffy there is no substantive alteration in Article 29-certainly no further derogation from sovereignty. So it appears that a referendum is required just to clear up some verbiage. The status quo is merely affirmed.
There is disagreement amongst the Left as to whether the currently existing EU promotes or impedes the ‘free market’. And likewise with the Lisbon treaty.
And on the Irish ‘No’ side the Left claims Lisbon promotes neo-liberalism, while the Right (Ganley/Libertas) says it will impede ‘free competition’. (As someone who benefits from the largesse of the U.S. war machine, Ganley’s prattle about the ‘free market’ should not be taken seriously)
Its difficult to see how any impartial disbursal of public funds, pro and con, could happen.
Confusion reigns. The deeper question for the Left is whether submersion in a broader political and economic entity promotes or impedes workers control over their productive power. Who’s right, John Palmer or Joe Higgins? That the Left is unable to agree on an answer to this question shows the intellectual weakness of the Left and augurs ill for the dethronement of neo-liberal hegemony.
My feeling is, CL, if we can’t make the linkages across Europe it’s highly unlikely we can succeed inside nation states. I mean, surely Europe is made for transformative internationalist projects. And the problem with socialism or indeed social democracy in one country is that it keeps being isolated…
WBS-I have sort of tentatively concluded that regardless of Lisbon being implemented or not, and regardless of how one views the whole EU project, that the most pressing task is to subvert the ideological and intellectual hegemony of neo-liberalism if any sustainable progressive advance is to be achieved either locally, nationally or internationally, and that the Harneys and Ganleys and their ilk, wherever found, should be exposed and opposed.
As I mentioned in a blog post, I prefer having lots of small countries, for several reasons, but mainly so that governments are forced to compete to provide nice places for people to live in. Those that treat their citizens well are rewarded with immigration, those that don’t are punished with emigration. Your government will be inhibited from acting badly, because they know that you will easily leave.
This reasoning makes sense to me, but I imagined that you guys would look more favourably, in general, on the centralisation of power.
To interpret history in the context of the reasoning above, you might look at the emergence of European civilisation from the Holy Roman Empire, economic growth in a decentralised US through the 19th and early 20th centuries, and the high levels of wealth found today in relatively small, independent countries such as Luxembourg, Switzerland, Ireland, Iceland and Hong Kong (and havens Liechtenstein, Monaco, etc.)
‘Poor’ Libertas….they really are embarassing for the left-no side, of which I’d be a part. Having said that I can see dilettante’s point in that there’ll surely be a few neoliberal thunderers nay dunderheads, on hearing how undistorted competition has been removed (it hasn’t*) will either vote no or stay at home.
* ( Protocol 6 has an equivalent reach to the treaties and makes more explicit the objectives of the Union:”the interior market as it is defined in article 3 of the treaty on the European Union is equipped with a system guaranteeing that competition is undistorted”. This is how undistorted competition is reintroduced in the Union’s objectives from where it had seemingly disappeared.
Also, the so-called “fundamental” rights remain subordinate to such dispositions as “free and undistorted competition”, as these ‘rights’ do not create “any competence or any novel task for the Union” )
So even the lame “Facts, not politics” founders and…to quote someone Ganley and Co would surely admire for his factual admiration!..Facts win out, however, in the end.
On Graham’s centralisation point, the most powerful agent of centralisation in the modern world is international capital. Given the choice, I think global and regional democracy is better than a dictatorship of such vested interests. Ideally with participatory layers from top to bottom. To paraphrase Monbiot, I don’t see why democracy should stand at the national border, suitcase in hand, without a passport.
Your government will be inhibited from acting badly, because they know that you will easily leave.
This reasoning makes sense to me
I can just imagine us moving country all the time, every few weeks perhaps, every time a country pissed us off. Shouldn’t be any problems with the house or the kids’ schools or the language or anything.
Really, even by libertarian standards it’s a particularly witless conception.
My feeling is, CL, if we can’t make the linkages across Europe it’s highly unlikely we can succeed inside nation states. I mean, surely Europe is made for transformative internationalist projects. And the problem with socialism or indeed social democracy in one country is that it keeps being isolated…
Is this a joke?
Surely Europe is made to benefit Europe and those States that comprise Europe first and foremost. Let’s leave “we are the world” to the singers.
No. It’s a simple statement of fact. Since when does the left dismiss a field of activity simply because it is of benefit or created by the right. That being the case we might as well withdraw from all activity within states for precisely the same reason you suggest above. Nor, and this is a crucial point, is Europe or rather the EU, an equivalent of the world. It is for all its faults and flaws a structure with its own political institutions which can be used by leftists of all stripes.
I think soubresauts’ comment is very unfair, and shouldn’t go unanswered. At various times, Dave has been asked to modify or deleted Politics.ie by his employers or organisations he’s been a member of. He left the PDs (in which he had a fairly high position) to defend the independence of Politics.ie (which was only a little thing at the time). As far as I know, he was later asked to mess with the site by a later employer, something he refused to do. I find it unlikely that he’d suddenly scrap that principle now, when he hadn’t previously.
On smiffy’s point, I think the big downside of the McKenna judgement is that it, to a certain extent, presumes that all viewpoints are equal and deserving of attention. They’re not – some are wrong, stupid or irrelevant. (The threads on P.ie about economic models to counter climate change spring to mind. They’re usually interrupted with the usual “climate change was invented by Marxist Lizards etc” arguments.) Sometimes a viewpoint doesn’t deserve equal attention, because the reasoning which went into it isn’t as valid. From what I can tell, the proposal to present neutral facts on the Lisbon Treaty is a good one – because it doesn’t presume anything about the arguments either in favour or against the treaty, and therefore doesn’t equate or value those arguments.
But the problem here is, what exactly constitutes the facts. They can boil down to items of such banality as to be useless or so complex as to be open to interpretation. smiffy, incidentally, fought the good fight on P.ie over the Treaty in recent months but look at how supposed facts were quite the opposite and the struggle he had to make this known.
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