Sean Garland Campaign Public Briefing and Social: September 18th Liberty Hall at 8 September 15, 2009
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The Stop the Extradition of Seán Garland Campaign is holding a Public Meeting and Social in Liberty Hall on Friday September 18th at 8pm. The meeting will be addressed by Chris Hudson, the Chair of the campaign, and others, and will be followed by music in the Connolly Hall. Information will be provided on the campaign ahead of the next court appearance in early October. It should be a good night, and the more the merrier. The Campaign needs your support.
This clashes with this:
“Green Isle Foods, NAAS – TEEU official Strike to Protect Jobs
FUND RAISING EVENT
8.30 pm Friday 18 September 2009
Teachers Club, 36 Parnell Square, west Dublin
You are Invited to:
a night of music an craic to support the 40 workers who are still on strike
to defend the jobs of 6 of their colleagues at Green Isle Foods Naas.
40 Industrial Black and Tans have been brought in from Britain
to take the jobs of the striking workers, prolonging the dispute.
Please support this event by showing solidarity with the Green Isle Workers
Them today you tomorrow?
Admission: By Donation (minimum €10.00)
Unemployed, students and pensioners €5.00″
Bollocks.
Dollars not accepted at the door.
Really really need to get the timing together on these things… particularly since there’s a bit of a resurgence of activity….
The date for this was set many weeks ago, and its unfortunate that it conflicts with the other event, which we did not know at the time. It was necessary to have it this week because of the availability of some participants and also to brief people in advance of October’s hearing. Also LISBON will be taking a huge amount of time from now on, we try not to conflict with other things, but its a 2 way street. Last week was out of the question because of the book launch / rally? and summer school and other meetings around the city re: CUTS & Lisbon Nama etc.
So the Man who was involved in dissiminating fake dollars, on a grand scale, is being backed by the Workers party, who are dirt poor. So where does Sean have the money hidden, is there accounts in Geneva by any chance. He is the Charlie Haughey of the Workers party.
I think Dan’s statements are not in the spirit of this forum. Perhaps Sindo Dan can go now
“Dollars not accepted at the door.”
So there I was, right? On the web killing time ‘cos my train isn’t until six, and I thought I’d go onto cedarounge, all anonymous, like, and What what do I see but a post about Sean Garland and a public meeting about his extradition, right? And what’s there but the entrance fee? So I go, ok? I go, entrance fee, Sean Garland, North Korea, forgeries, right? and it comes to me, fucking inspiration, just snaps up in front of me:
“DOLLARS NOT ACCEPTED AT THE DOOR!”
Fucking nailed it.
“Dollars not accepted at the door.”
‘Cos you know how the extradition is about forging dollars, right? So I goes, at the door, dollars not accepted. yougetit?
THEN… I went back on, and left ANOTHER comment, comparing Garland to Charlie Haughey! Fucking nailed it again!
Course I did this all troll and anonymous like, but still, a 75-year-old man with serious health problems. Fucking Ali’G'd the cunt.
That unfortunately is about the size of the contribution you reference… as Rosie of the Lee says, the original comments are not in the spirit of this forum.
” is there accounts in Geneva ”
Rosie
His English could do with a bit of help as well.
“dissiminating fake dollars” 0 out of 10 for spelling Dan.
This is a criminal matter and not a political act by the Yanks. The charges relate to criminal activities by people with a criminal background. Why should Irish socialists & republicans support this campaign? Is it a human rights matter? Is the issue of his age the primary concern because if so, I know plenty of people who never reached that age because of his criminal band of hoods and touts. I can only imagine that Garland feels betrayed considering all his work for the Brits etc.., over the years.
Garland has had a less than glorious path to the top of his party. There is very good evidence that he has been engaged in activities that are non-political, that have not been for funding his party or the Official I.R.A.
Why was he not more focused on his party and growing it, why was a man in such poor health picked to lead the party, a man obviously beyond his best, and more of a liability than an asset.
A man who is an admirer of North Korea, one of the most repressive and cruel states in the world. How can anyone who believes in social justice, consider supporting this man.
You ought to be embarassed at adopting that username. It’s in very poor taste.
I meant it as a compliment to Cathal, as a way of defending his name and reputation against a man who did so much to undermine him, there is more to life than money.
Now you really are just making a fool of yourself.
That is a disgraceful comment, you may not have much respect for Cathal, but many of us do.
Some of the comments here are beneath contempt. Criminal? PIRA killing kids is criminal. Read the book Sean Garland = working class hero.
As I said, for some it was not about the money.
I’m not going to give you any more credibility. Cathal and Seán worked together until the end. Your behaviour here is twisted, so twisted as to be beneath notice.
Believe what you like, you have your view, whether it is the view that you preofess here, is another matter. As I said, money shouldn’t be everything, not of course that it is.
Another official member was recently jailed for a tiger kidnapping and robbery, a man who also appears on the yankee warrant for the same crime as Garland. Is there a campaign to free this member?
I saw that, it was quiet interesting. There was many a holiday financed by that kind of activity I would say, indeed Séan could write the book on holidays.
‘Quite interesting’ not ‘quiet interesting.’ There’s no point posting on a serious political forum if you’re only semi-literate.
Crime – what crime, not repecting Yankee paper or killing Irish kids?
Maybe enriching one self off the back off others. Is that not a crime.
Given that his fellow gang members in this trial were Englishmen, is it not probable that Garland’s handlers abandoned him, once a politically suitable moment came. He seems to be the only one being extradited, where as the rest have been given short sentences. Also why did he head North, given that an extradition warrant had already been issued, what guarantee’s or logic were behind this.
The back of who? The US treasury?
On the back of ordinary working class people, and those that supported the Workers party throughout the years, on the backs of the oppressed in North Korea, on the back of those every where in the world, that have fought the hirelings of imperialism.
The character of the man, can be seen in the below press release from North Korea. He is right in saying that the people of North Korea and progressive people of the world will not forget Kim Il Sun.
http://www.kcna.co.jp/item/2001/200105/news05/07.htm
Acidhouse,
Why bother engaging with this nonsense?
Looking at the amount of bad spelling, incorrect usage and wonky grammar displayed by the trolls who descended en masse upon this thread makes me despair of the Irish educational system. It’s one thing to make stupid and trivial arguments which read as though they’re being mailed in from the pub after about six pints, it’s another to write English as though you’re translating from another language. Sorry to be snippy but I just realise how much I take the intelligence and courtesy of the CLR for granted and also how much of the blogosphere is a dialogue of idiots.
Thanks, and yes, this thread is descending fast… Look, one doesn’t have to like SG (and God knows I’m not a WP member so I definitely don’t have to) to perhaps just slightly wonder about the legitimacy of this particular extradition case and the charges around it. Get over that conceptual hump and even SF were able to come on board in terms of support.
Some of the messages left her are shocking, Sean Garland has never enriched himself or funded holidays off the back of his or others political endeavours. Has anyone who makes these claims got any proof of such?
As for Cathal G, you couldn’t be more wrong if you tried.
Someone wondered previously on CLR why it had taken so much time for a book on the WP to emerge. I’d be inclined to think that one reason is that the party, for some reason, seems to occupy a red rag to a bull position for many people which is vastly disproportionate to its actual influence on irish politics. There have been plenty of good arguments put forward against the WP on this site but it does also seem to attract people who think that all that’s necessary is to say ‘stick’ and add a few disparaging cliches and the job is oxo. So, in addition to everything else, I think Brian Hanley deserves a lot of credit for bravery. It’s hard to imagine, ‘Into The West – Clann Na Talmhan, the Glory Years,’ attracting the same kind of reaction. Though, having said that, I think the reaction overall has been surprisingly positive and there has been less name calling and axe grinding than you might have expected. I wonder if this is because the book came out at almost exactly the right time, when there is a curiosity about other ways of doing things. I can imagine it being dismissed in short order a couple of years back when right wing capitalism in this country was at the height of its self confidence. Incidentally, I haven’t finished the book yet so I haven’t commented on it. Suffice it to say it would have to go badly downhill from now on not to be one of the best books on Irish politics I’ve ever read. I’d love to read Brian Hanley on SF (as opposed to the IRA, a history of SF activism and politics on this side of the border over the last thirty odd years would be tremendously interesting).
Eamonn, there were two authors of the book and from being an interviewee I believe Scott Millar had as much to do with the end product as Brian.
You’re right. Point taken.
Certainly a joint effort, but EC wasn’t dissing SM.
What was Seán Garland’s attitude to extraditions in the past? I ask out of genuine curiousity as it has come up in other places and I don’t know about it.
Did he support or condemn the extradition of IRA members?
In the spirit of your question taxi man: the Officials condemned extradition in the early 1970s. In the 1980s the Workers Party supported extradition of PIRA or other paramilitary suspects, while calling for safeguards. The party was notably absent from campaigns for the release of the Birmingham 6 and others. Internally there was a culture of ‘sure they are probably all fucking provos anyway.’ That SF TDs and Gerry Adams have signed the petition for Sean Garland is not something the WP would ever have done for them.
There is that, which I think reflects very well on SF currently, but individual members of the WP like myself disagreed with that line and strongly supported the campaigns for the Birmingham 6 and others.
On a connected matter. I was surprised, when delving through some old newspapers, to find that when Tony Gregory proposed a motion at a meeting of Dublin Corporation condemning the treatment of the H-Block prisoners that Tomas McGiolla was foremost in opposing it. Surprised (A) because McGiolla was reputedly the most republican of the major SFWP figures and (B) because I would have thought that given the situation in the early seventies he would presumably have known people who were imprisoned and perhaps should have had more fellow feeling. I think the WP were largely a positive presence on the left. But there are times when I feel their attitude on something like the H Blocks or extradition may have had something to do with personal animus towards their former comrades in SF as well as with their belief that the armed struggle in the North was counter-productive and semi-fascist in nature. Then again, it’s easy to take the moral high ground on such a personal animus given that I’ve never been in a position where people are shooting at me and killing my friends, something which must have affected the relationshops between SF, SFWP and IRSP, all of whom had members killed by those associated with the other organisations.
And there is a further complication which is that, despite the SFWP’s avowedly anti-republican attitude, their candidates generally got more transfers from SF than anyone else did. And, to further muddy the waters, when Tony Gregory won a seat for the first time in 1982 it was reported that both SF and SFWP asked their supporters to transfer to him, which they did in large numbers. Apparently the plan was to scupper Michael O’Leary but they took out Alice Glenn instead. Which appeals to my own culture of, ‘sure they are all fucking right wingers anyway.’
After the feud in the mid 70s even cordial relations on a personal level with PSF members collapsed (added to that was also in the sense that somehow there had been a degree of collusion in order to take out OIRA, seems a bit unlikely but clearly the British weren’t unhappy at internecine warfare rather than attacks on them). It also made that organisation a lot more introspective and so on and so on…. that informed what became a culture of absolute antagonism to PSF, something that I think proved more and more problematic as they evolved.
It wasn’t just about personal experience. There were people who were violently anti-provos who had no connection with the feuds at all. I remember many articles in Workers Life that called the provos ‘nazis’ or ‘fascists’ in fact I think there was one on how Bobby Sands was like Horst Wessel?
It had a significant amount to do with the blood of working people flowing on the streets of NI. Funny that.
‘It had a significant amount to do with the blood of working people flowing on the streets of NI’
All of it the Provies fault of course.
Absolutely not.
That was my earlier point. Was Bobby Sands the irish Horst Wessel? Absolutly not.
Were the paramilitaries engaged in violence against the wishes of the people of both the north and the island as a whole and that involed the intimidation of their political opponents? Yes. So while we can argue over the use of words like fascist, the violence was clearly the imposition of the will of minorities on the majority. This is not to leave out the brutality of some state forces. My own view would be that there were fascist elements involved.
when the sticks were co-operating with the loyalists in fundraising, when they were touting to the brits, they were hardly worried about the blood of ordinary people. The B’ham 6 were ordinary people but the sticks dismissed them. Nothing less than provo haters with no politics and no relevance……to ordinary people.
Still waiting on the campaign to release xxxxxxxxxxx for the tiger kidnapping.
Garibaldy,
Isn’t the whole concept of a revolutionary vanguard all about, “the imposition of the will of minorities on the majority”?
Not as I conceptualise it YC, no. It’s about being able to ensure that the majority of the population has an effective political voice.
Y’all still haven’t answered why there isn’t a campaign for Bayside’s finest? Will this soldier of the working class have to rot in jail?
A political voice decided upon by a minority.
How did the event work out?
Sometimes the truth gets lost in the miasma of myth. The WP in fact called for justice for the Birmingham 6, the Guildford 4 and the Maguires.
However their voice and campaigning voice was very very soft on such matters IIRC. Now my recollection could be skewed, but I didn’t see many other members on the marches or at meetings and I recall some surprise expressed when I said I’d been involved.
Sean probably had nothing to do with fake dollars. It seems that he has been duped by his handlers. Washington needed some mud to fling at North Korea, so London sacrificied a tired old asset.
Social Night for Sean Garland Campaign
Dublin: Friday, 5th March 2010 at Ruby Finnegan’s Bar, Sarsfield Road, Ballyfermot, Dublin 10 from 8pm. Songs from Joe McGowan, Willie Brady and local band. Spot prize draw. Tickets from WP Head Office or at the door
Sean’s friends in the North Korean Communist Party are at it again, it seems the country is on the brink of another famine. I hope that Sean will call this time for progressive’s all around the world, to support the starving masses, rather than the corrupt leadership. They might not provide a holiday junket for him, but there needs are greater.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/17/north-korea-famine-fears