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Hanley/Miller Interview on Indymedia September 27, 2009

Posted by Garibaldy in Irish History, Workers' Party.
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Thanks to Godot and Anarchaeologist who both point to the interview in the comments zone of a couple of other threads. Definitely essential reading, and kudos to those who put it on Indymedia too.

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1. ogoshi - September 28, 2009

Ireland could face court action over the issue of the procurement of arms for the IRA, a member of the House of Lords warned this weekend.

A London-based legal team has already begun an investigation into links between cabinet ministers and the nascent Provisional IRA at the start of the Troubles. Any legal action that resulted would be similar to the Omagh civil case earlier this year when survivors and relatives of those killed in the massacre sued the Real IRA leadership. Having won their case in Belfast high court, their Omagh civil action is now seen as having set a legal precedent.

The above was posted on Henry McDonalds website. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/sep/27/ireland-courts-libya-arms

Maybe the boys will be called as witnesses.

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2. Fluther Good - September 28, 2009

Not that wee Henry has uttered a word about the book on his former party in the Observer. Usually he gets a two page special out of leaves falling off trees in Fermanagh, blaming it on one of the dissident groups.

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3. Garibaldy - September 28, 2009

Thanks for this ogoshi. Lord Laird does love his publicity.

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pangur bán - September 28, 2009

You are right Garibaldy – taxis anyone?

Speaking of silence, there is a member of an upper house nearer to home whose silence on TLR is truly deafening

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Dr. X - June 9, 2010

I happen to have that particular peer of the realm’s copy of _From Max Weber_, purchased in the North Street Arcade before the speculators burned it to the ground.

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4. Garibaldy - September 28, 2009

Maybe Harris is going to review it in the Observer ;)

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Dr. X - June 9, 2010

Having now read TLR, I can only conclude that it was a great thing for this country that Senator H. never came within an ass’s roar of real state power. . .

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5. ogoshi - September 28, 2009

G. Your welcome.

PB. Do you think Harris will turn his ‘good authority’ idea on FF. I recall he used this idea to justify demands for self criticism on republicans and nationalists.

What’s the taxi joke or am i thick?

FG. I would like to see a review by wee Henry. I am fan of sorts given he was a reds supported. The cage was an experience, believe me.

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6. Fluther Good - September 28, 2009

Lord Laird spent a couple of grand of tax-payer’s money on taxis a few years ago.

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7. Eddie Shoestring - September 28, 2009

‘Maybe the boys will be called as witnesses.’
AFAIK the book does not say the Provos got any guns or money; it relates the Gouldingites getting guns and money. Maybe Lord Lard is not interested in that. Or the former Cliftonville boy.

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ogoshi - September 29, 2009

FG thanks. he must have a bad back. I struggled for a couple of months myself in london. Any more than a hundred yards was impossible. Thank heavens for the tube :)

Eddie. Lardass may broaden his Brief. In the interview Brian stresses that the Sticks overused that accusation. What the intention was of those involved at the time, is still open to question. That a lot of people wanted guns is not.

I was struck by something scott miller said about sticks being Lower Falls and the Markets. There is something quite unique about the Lower falls. The politics there are sedimentary and much more complex than would appear.

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8. Garibaldy - September 29, 2009

It wasn’t safe for him to get the train to Dublin, so he had to get taxis there and back. Apparently.

Coincidentally I was reading some stuff from the Dáil in 1972 that came up on a google search, and I saw that the founding the Provos thing was being used as a stick with which to beat FF. I think the extent to which it was discredited in eyes beyond those of The WP is a matter of opinion.

Isn’t there another book that would says Turf Lodge stayed loyal as well when the incipient Provos tried to mount the coup in late 69 in Belfast?

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9. ogoshi - September 29, 2009

G, I wonder what taxi depot he used? Blackwater cabs!

I would like the reference for the book if you get it. Turf Lodge there’s a great we club up there. I always thought the Officials and Workers Party were big in Moyard.

I have an interest in the lower falls. Has anyone read Northern Divisions. The politics of the falls were as complex in the twenties as they were in the seventies. St Peters Pro Cathedral band was the first Free State army band for the first two to three years of its existance according to the parish history.

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10. Garibaldy - September 29, 2009

Ogoshi,

I always thought Peter Pan myself ;)

The book was one of the standard histories, and likely to be any of Coogan, Bishop and Mallie, etc and maybe something by Martin Dillon. I’ll see if I can find the reference, though I borrowed some of those books and don’t own them all. A guy I know who was a teenage volunteer in the 60s said to me that there were many people from the 30s, 40s and 50s but not that many from the 20s as most of them had gone free state, which would fit in with the parish history. I’ve never gotten round to reading all of Northern Divisions.

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11. Marxman - September 29, 2009

Yes, the majority of the Turf Lodge IRA stayed loyal to Billy McMillen, Tomas MacGiolla and Sean Garland, I know, I was there!
We evolved into WP and are all party people and supporters now. We have subsequently stayed loyal to the Workers Party for 40yrs. So happy 40th comrades!

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12. Garibaldy - September 29, 2009

Thanks for that Marxman. It tends to get left out, but it was certainly always my understanding that it had remained overwhelming loyal.

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13. ogoshi - September 29, 2009

Garabaldy. Thanks for that I will follow up on the references you’ve suggested.

Marxman. Your obviously a believer. Respect!!

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14. Starkadder - June 9, 2010

I wasn’t sure where to put this post, but Indymedia.ie has been
criticised for putting up a false report of the “death” of Brian Lenihan
(he’s still alive):

http://www.politicalworld.org/showthread.php?t=2297

http://www.indymedia.ie/article/96907?condense_comments=true

The false article has now been taken down. Reportedly the false
info was widely spread using Twitter.

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Starkadder - June 9, 2010

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