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The acceptance of dishonesty February 21, 2010

Posted by Tomboktu in Ethics, Ireland, Irish Politics, Judiciary, media, Sport.
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RTÉ’s Sunday Miscellany (on Radio 1) is listed as entertainment by the station. The worst emotion you might expect the programme to raise is nostalgic sadness for times now passed. This morning’s programme [I don't know how long this link will last], however, contained an essay that produced in me frustration at the acceptance of dishonesty in our society.

The essay was by the John O’Donnell telling about his participation in the Irish Times’ Debate competition [as the paper dubs it] in 1979. In his essay [at the 44 min mark in the webcast], he says:

I learned just how inventive speakers could be. In the out-of-town semi-final, one team spewed out an impressive array of statistics from a survey which they claimed had been carried out by two researchers named Termin and Tyler. All the statistics supported the team’s argument on the motion that women’s liberation did not mean equality. The duo duly roared on into the final. Only later did we discover that Termin and Tyler were the names of two shoe shops our heroes had driven by as the drove through the town of Naas en route to the venue.

I am not surprised that some competitors in the debating competition would pull strokes. All competitive sports have cheats: competitors who take performance-enhancing drugs in physical sports like athletics or cycling, or somebody who assaults a wife’s competitor, as famously happened in skating. However, would a sports writer or former competitor expect to get away with describing those tactics as “inventiveness” or refer to the outcome as “duly” roaring into the final? The only way I could see it being acceptable is if it were clearly with sarcasm or irony. [As the sport discussed in the Sunday Miscellany essay is debating, I probably don't need to tell this morning's contributor that 'duly' is defined as: "adv properly; fitly; at the proper time" (The Chambers Dictionary, New Ninth Edition; 2003).]

Two things sadden and irritate me about this morning’s broadcast. The first is that nobody in RTÉ said rewording of that part of the essay would be needed to make it less accepting of the cheating. The second is the arena in which that cheating occurred and what that tells us about problems elsewhere in our society. Many of the winners of the Irish Times Debate competition go on told key roles in our institutions: in the legal system, medical establishment, in broadcasting. If participants like this morning’s essayist recount without criticism that cheating has occurred in the speeches delivered by competitors, should we be surprised that speeches made in other fora, such as the Dáil by a government minister, contain assertions that are, as Professor Karl Whelan put it recently,“well (… looking for polite term for it) not correct”?

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1. John - February 21, 2010

I never did much debating, but I always understood them as competitions of rhetorical skills rather than of the validity of the argument themselves. As such, the use of made-up stats is irrelevant.

Comparing such to the use of PEDs or physical assault is just a tad OTT.

2. ejh - February 21, 2010

As such, the use of made-up stats is irrelevant.

Mmm, not sure (a competition-winning school debater writes) that this is quite right. You’re not actually supposed to lie and make things up. You can make a parallel with a lawyer – a lawyer is supposed to produce the best possible argument in support of their client, but they’re not supposed to lie or forge evidence in doing so.

WorldbyStorm - February 21, 2010

I think that’s it ejh.

The sincerity of the person making the argument is a different matter, of course. The idea being that they can argue it equally well either way.

3. NollaigO - February 22, 2010

The sincerity of the person making the argument is a different matter, of course. The idea being that they can argue it equally well either way.

Going down memory lane here:

I am not that young that I can’t remember The Irish Times debating final of 1965 held in Trinity College, Dublin.

The Motion: That Ireland’s need is socialism.

In the Chair: Proinsias Mac Aonghusa

And the award for the best individual speaker [who opposed the motion]:
From Queen’s University, Belfast …..Eamonn McCann.
(Thunderous applause).

4. Londoner - February 22, 2010

Competitive debating is a useful game for kids to develop public speaking skills, the content, even the arguments are utterly disposable. You’re not so much making a mountain out of a molehill as making a mountain out of a lawn.


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