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Meanwhile… more about pensions… April 17, 2010

Posted by WorldbyStorm in Economy, Irish Politics, The Left.
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Kathleen Barrington had an interesting piece in the Sunday Business Post last weekend. Seems the champions of enterprise are never more enterprising than when making sure that all is well with their pensions.

Big companies paid 46 times more into the pension pots of their executive directors than into the pension pots of other employees, a study has found.

And to put that into perspective:

The companies in 2008 ponied up an average of €124,000 per year in pension contributions for directors, compared with an average of just €2,700 for ordinary employees.

Or to put it another way:

Using information from the annual accounts of 45 large companies, most of which are quoted on the Irish Stock Exchange, Hughes found that the average value of an executive director’s pension fund amounted to nearly €4.7 million, compared with €102,000 for other employees.

The study was compiled by:

Gerard Hughes, who is a visiting professor at Trinity College Dublin’s School of Business.What’s particularly interesting about this is the notion that high contributing private pensions somehow support those on lower or state pensions:

And he notes that:

If the average executive director were to take immediate retirement, he would have a pension 15 times greater than the income of the average single pensioner.

And here’s a thought that cuts directly against the notion, a notion already skewered by TASC in their report on pensions which Barrington referred to approvingly earlier in the year (I like Barrington by the way, she’s hardly what I’d term a leftist and she’s obviously pro-business which is grand up to a point, but she has a sense of fair play about her analysis which is refreshing), that somehow private pensions ‘support’ the state pension.

Hughes said the cost to the state of providing social welfare pensions amounted to €3.9 billion in 2007, while the cost of tax foregone on tax breaks for occupational pensions amounted to €2.6 billion.

Indeed Hughes goes further…

The social welfare pension currently amounts to 33 per cent of average industrial earnings.

Hughes said that this could be increased to 40 per cent of average industrial earnings, at no additional cost to the exchequer, if the government allowed tax breaks on pension contributions at the standard rate instead of at the higher rate.

A small move, but a progressive one. And he notes further:

In 2009, the government reduced the cap on contributions to a pension fund qualifying for tax relief from €275,239 to €150,000, but the lifetime cap on the size of an individual pension fund was left unchanged at €5.418 million.

‘‘Neither of these caps is consistent with recommendations by the OECD, and others, that tax relief on pensions should be concentrated on middle and lower income earners,” said Hughes.

Yeah, perish the thought. But consider that sum €5.418 million. A tad excessive one might posit.

‘‘There is, therefore, a need for greater equity in the pension system.

‘‘This could be achieved by reducing the annual earnings limit for pension contributions from €150,000 to €75,000 and by reducing the cap on the size of a pension fund for an individual from €5.418 million to around €500,000.”

Now, for most of us with any serious exposure to the private sector this will hardly be news. I’ve noted before that I myself sat across the table from people making decisions about pension provision for those in the upper echelons of companies which were stunningly self-serving as compared with that for those in managerial or non-managerial areas. And at no point did this seem to strike them. It was simply taken as read that what they did didn’t just warrant a reasonable pension somewhat greater than the ordinary workers in the companies, but that it actually gave them license to levels of remuneration that were wildly disparate in comparison.

And away from all the rhetoric about ‘enterprise’ and ‘private enterprise models’ that we apparently should laud near uncritically the truth is that that sector remains profoundly inequitable in how it conducts business today. Indeed this is seen as intrinsic, in the eyes of many in business, to what enterprise is all about.

The irony is that it wouldn’t require a socialist revolution for them to alter their way of conducting that business, indeed even a mild reformist approach would reap dividends for ordinary workers. But given the track record, and the public utterances, I’d be dubious they’d have the sense to remove that particular battleground from the left.

Finally, as an addendum, as if to prove the thrust of Barrington’s article, comes news today of this. Given the discrepancy between the provision for the chief executive of Bank of Ireland…

The bank’s normal retirement age is 60 for its executive directors, who are usually entitled to receive a pension worth two-thirds of their salary.

…and most private sector employees, and indeed those of the rest of us forced to get along on the state pension you’d seriously wonder at the statement that:

A spokesman for Bank of Ireland said the pension payment had received “all the appropriate approvals” from the Department of Finance and the National Pension Reserve Fund, which holds a 15.7 per cent stake in the bank on behalf of the State.

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1. Mack - April 17, 2010

I don’t quite get the focus on the rate at which tax relief is given. Surely the issue is that directors can get unlimited relief on their pension contributions, while ordinary workers can only claim tax relief on a percentage of their salary. Surely executive level pensions should be subject to the same restrictions?

WorldbyStorm - April 17, 2010

I think the rate is important. It’s a clear transfer of resources to those on higher incomes. I’d look at it this way, until recently the MED1 allowed one to get tax relief on various procedures such as IVF at ones respective tax rates. Given that the cost of an, for example, IVF cycle remains the same to individuals on either rate that conferred an additional benefit to the person on the higher rate who could from the get go then afford more cycles – a benefit that they already have an assist in in terms of higher income. I think that was invidious (and not just in that instance but in many more I could list) frankly and I think it equally invidious as regards pensions. As we know, pensions aren’t just additional extras in this economy, but for any sort of a subsistence are essential. To so thoroughly skew it towards higher income earners…

Mack - April 17, 2010

“It’s a clear transfer of resources to those on higher incomes”

Surely it is less transfer of resources _away_ from those on higher incomes? By reducing their gross taxable income. Their pensions will be taxed – potentially at the top marginal rate when they draw them down.

To take your couples above as an example -

Couple A – Husband works full time, wife works part time. Husband a lower rate tax payer – gets full tax relief on their medical treatment (and will get a 50% boost on their pension contributions 20% up to 33%)

Couple B – Earn the same hourly rate. Both work full time, both paying tax at the higher marginal rate. Get half tax relief on their medical treatment (and will only get 75% relief on their pension contributions under the new scheme).

Couple C – Lower hourly rate – work overtime nixers etc – pay higher marginal rate. (etc).

While I think you have a point that low income groups should be helped with medical and pension costs, the logic clearly penalises hard work at the same time and wrt to pensions can introduce an unfair double taxation.

WorldbyStorm - April 17, 2010

Problem is Mack that the there remains a tax free lump sum of up to 25% of a fund which is of clear benefit to those on higher incomes – and of course the point that dependent upon levels tax post retirement on the pension can be standard or higher rate.

With absolutely no disrespect to you intended we’re clearly not singing from the same hymn sheet if your belief is that standardising tax reliefs penalises hard work. Indeed I think this notion of ‘hard work’ is very very dubious, particularly in the context of the examples given above in relation not to ordinary or even somewhat about the average industrial wage workers and those on much much higher salaries.

Look again at the discrepancies pointed out in the original article.

“€124,000 per year in pension contributions for directors, compared with an average of just €2,700 for ordinary employees.”

Mack - April 17, 2010

I agree with you on director level salaries (particularly when employer contributions and the like are used to avoid tax), but find the pretty much concerted attack on the pensions of ordinary private sector workers from the left depressing.

Especially seeing as we have a two tier pension system, and these attacks make planning for retirment more difficult only for those with the worst option of the two (defined contribution). DBC pensions involve forgoing income now in order to recieve the money you earn now, in retirement, unlike Defined Benefit Pensions where, typically, some elses taxes pay the income on retirment. Taxing money put aside for retirement twice is obscene.

Hiding behind benefits of the super-rich to attack provisions that benefit workers earning only slightly more than the €35k p.a. deemed to be low pay in the recent gov-union talks may not be quite what they mean – but there are other ways to achieve the same goal that don’t damage the retirement prospects of ordinary private sector workers.

WorldbyStorm - April 17, 2010

It’s not a concerted attack. It’s an argument for a broad based compulsory universal system above which people can if they see fit purchase additional coverage out of their own pockets.

The two tier system, it is clear, is in large part a direct result of a strongly proactive private pensions industry which has lobbied long and hard over the years against universal provision.

Frankly in my opinion the fact that the state pension is so low and a significant number of private sector workers have no pension coverage at all (and as bad certain self-employed and certain other categories are not eligible even for the state pension) is a far greater obscenity.

alastair - April 17, 2010

Directors don’t get unlimited tax relief on pensions. There’s a sliding scale based on age (from 15% to 30% of income), and a maximum (admittedly high at a cool quarter of a million) annual amount that relief applies to.

WorldbyStorm - April 17, 2010

I think you’re correct, but I was keen to address Mack’s point about rates.

Mack - April 17, 2010

Yeah you are right – but they can circumvent that by having their company contribute tax free to their pensions. Clearly if you are in a position to make that call, there is in effect no difference.

http://www.showmethemoney.ie/director_pensions.asp

2. Tomboktu - April 17, 2010

Half an hour after reading the post, I came across this.

Since inequalities of privilege are greater than could possibly be defended rationally, the intelligence of privileged groups is usually applied to the task of inventing specious proofs for the theory that universal values spring from, and that general interests are served by, the special privileges which they hold.

[Reinhold Niebuhr, Moral Man and Immoral Society]

Sums up what’s happening here. The whole post that I linked under the word ‘this’ is worth a read.

WorldbyStorm - April 17, 2010

Very appropriate Tomboktu…

ejh - April 18, 2010

The whole post that I linked under the word ‘this’ is worth a read.

It might be, but my mouse locates a URL reading http:///

Tomboktu - April 18, 2010
3. Tim - April 17, 2010

I suppose it’s one way to ensure the directors look after the company well, that is, assuming the pensions are invested IN the company they work for. If they drop the ball, no pension. Although I imagine they’ve wangled a way around that one….

4. Pope Epopt - April 17, 2010

Ah c’mon, they deserve it. They create the wealth, after all.

Don’t they?

5. LeftAtTheCross - April 21, 2010

Related to pensions in general, strange article in todays’s IT from Sarah Carey.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2010/0421/1224268771411.html

I say strange because she finishes with the following:

“Imagine the impact on all decisions in the public and private sector if everyone – state employees from top to bottom to private citizens dependent on the state were paid the same rate on retirement? The concept of accountability might become a little less abstract if the politician, the principal officer and the porter had the same pension. That would be a game changer.”

Somewhat out of character for her I would have thought?

WorldbyStorm - April 21, 2010

It was really weird. I thought it was arguing that inequalities were irrelevant – or rather one couldn’t do anythign about them – right up to the last paragraph where she seems to argue the opposite.

Can’t make head nor tail of it.

EWI - April 21, 2010

It seems like laying the groundwork for concern-trolling about pensions (for examples, see up-thread in this very post).

But no sign of the pay-off. Maybe that’s coming next week?

dmfod - April 21, 2010

Maybe she wants to abolish all public sector pensions so that all state employees only get the state pension same as ‘private citizens dependent on the state’ do. If you look at the wording carefully she has excluded the third tier of people like her with private pensions from ‘everyone’. The implication then is everyone in the public sector who wants more than the state pension has to privately fund their pension like her. She’s so incoherent though it’s hard to know.

WorldbyStorm - April 21, 2010

You’re absolutely right. Lovely lovely stuff.


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