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The low tax model vs. the welfare state… June 22, 2010

Posted by WorldbyStorm in Economy, The Left.
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…I paraphrase, but a report from the ‘cross-party’ 2020 Public Services Trust, a UK based think tank, entitled The Deficit: The Longer Term View has a very stark outline of the choices facing that society – and by extension our own.

You can read the Report, which frankly looks like a very slightly souped up Powerpoint or Keynote presentation here. It’s always a bit depressing to see the Ernst & Young logo attached to anything, but… what can one do?

Main features?

The Coalition has agreed to a “significantly accelerated reduction” of the structural deficit over the course of this parliament. The main burden of deficit reduction will be borne by reduced spending rather than increased taxes.

And…

But the problem is even more serious than the current debate would suggest. There is little mention of the longer term cost drivers that are only adding to the size of the fiscal black hole.
Even HM Treasury’s projections acknowledge that the costs of our ageing society will push up public spending.
Total age related spending is expected to increase from 20.4% GDP in 2008 to 24.1% (2020) and 26.1% by 2030.
Work for 2020 PST by LSE Professor Howard Glennerster (2010) shows an additional 6% GDP will be needed by 2030 to meet the social costs of ageing while meeting existing cross-party commitments (e.g. reducing child poverty).
Alongside HM Treasury forecasts, this would increase the share of national income spent by government to over 45% by 2020 and nearer 47-48% by 2030.
Given public tax receipts have rarely risen above 40%, Glennerster argues that our current welfare funding arrangements are not sustainable.

But not sustainable in what sense?

If the tax take remains fairly constant and the costs of public services rise (e.g. through ageing, climate change, depreciation of infrastructure) then the funding gap will only get worse.
Whilst GDP growth and productivity improvements will fill some of this, we might have to reconsider the nature of our welfare settlement. How much are we prepared to pay in tax? What do we expect from the state in return?

And there’s a crucial quote beside that:

“The British public want Scandinavian level public services for US level taxes.” Ben Page, Ipsos Mori (2009)

And this is part of a trend that was established in the 1980s – surprise, surprise.

In the early post-war years the UK was a relatively high tax country. The large increases in the UK’s tax burden during the 1960s meant that it remained so into the 1970s.
In most other industrial economies the size of tax burden increased into the 1980s and often beyond. But the absence of a similar trend in the UK means it is now a relatively low-tax country in comparison with the G7 and EU averages.

So, today the UK sits a little behind Germany and…

Latest comparative statistics from the OECD (2009) show that the UK is the lower half of the rankings [at 35% - wbs] for total taxes as a proportion of GDP. Denmark and Sweden top the charts with nearly 50%, while the USA and Japan are fourth and fifth from bottom (each with just under 30%).
The UK’s tax take is similar to that of Germany and New Zealand, but highest among the English speaking post industrial economies.

Yeah, that includes us in the Republic down there at just over 30%.

Tax receipts have stayed fairly constant (approx 35%) since the 1970s – we have relied until now on borrowing to fill the gap between public spending and revenues.
BUT as net public debt heads towards 80% GDP, the gap between revenue and spending is becoming increasingly unaffordable.
In answer to calls from the IFS, OECD, IMF, other respected institutions and wider commentariat, all
three main political parties have pledged to cut the deficit. The timing of this cut will be important, but the most difficult question is perhaps not when, but how, at a what cost for our public service

What comes through loud and clear from the 2020 report is that there is no political appetite for substantive tax increases.

There will be no Scandinavian solution for the problems Britain faces.

Let’s consider something that Larry Elliott mentioned in the Guardian this week in light of the UK Budget.

…The chancellor will announce both tax increases and benefit cuts on Tuesday. The need to show “that we are all in this together” means that there will be a levy on banks, an increase in capital gains tax and no reduction in the top rate of income tax from 50%. The Institute for Public Policy Research, a left-leaning thinktank, suggests that the fairest way to raise money would be to push up the standard rate of income tax from 20% to 23%, its level when the Conservatives left office in 1997. While far less regressive than an increase in VAT, there is no possibility of Osborne going down this route. The last chancellor to raise the standard rate of income tax was Denis Healey.

Denis Healey, eh? And there we can see the dead hand of history preventing any shift forward… just because.

What I find fascinating about this is that at heart we’re talking about rationing. We’re talking about means testing or ‘directed’ provision rather than universal provision (and I’ve discussed before why that is both inefficient and inequitable as a means of providing services). And yet we know that this isn’t an inevitability, that were political parties to make choices that pushed towards higher levels of taxation it would also be possible to ensure the sustainability of much higher levels of service provision and that such levels are efficient in and of themselves as well as being more equitable. And if 2020 Public Services Trust is unwilling to countenance seriously tax increases in a Britain which takes in a fair few percentage points more than in this state then how massively more difficult in this state to do likewise.

We’ve heard a lot of talk about how we have to ‘live within our means’ and ‘face up to reality’, some of it sincere, some of it not. And truth is we do have to do both of those. But what we should not do is accept that orthodoxy hasn’t already tilted the terrain to its own advantage and attempted, so far with considerable success, to shape the debate in a way that is very much to its liking.

An interesting piece in the current issue of Village by Mark Lonergan notes that our current plight here in terms of the fiscal deficit is ‘alarming’.

Approximately €10 bn of the 2007 Tax take was property-related in terms of VAT, CGT and stamp duties. Revenue from these taxes is unlikely to pick up soon.

If ever.

But he continues…

This fiscal gap highlights the need for a clear need for a more sustainable source of revenue for Government rather than increased governmental borrowing.

His solution? Raising Corporate Tax from it’s current level of 12.5% to 20%. That may be too large a hike, but it’s worth comparing and contrasting what our rate is against other states in Europe. ‘The UK rate is 28%, the German rate is 30% and the US rate is 39.5%’. As Lonergan, who is a Chartered Accountant working with MNCs, notes, ‘we currently have in effect a third-world corporate tax level’. He also notes that in conversation with Finance Directors of MNCs the sentiment is one where the CT rate is relatively peripheral to decisions on basing jobs and factories in the Republic.

Actually that UK rate is coming down according to the UK Budget, but… look by what…[by the by note the emphasis on consumption taxes in that budget - usually regressive]

Nearly a million of the poorest paid people will be taken out of the income tax net altogether by raising its starting point and the headline rate of corporation tax will drop by one percentage point to 27 per cent next year and then keep falling to 24 per cent within four years.

Perhaps Lonergan is wrong – and it’s certain that one way or another increases in CT alone aren’t sufficient to stabilise revenues. Perhaps an increase to 20% is too great in the short term. There are plenty of intermediate levels that it could be set at, perhaps with agreements that it would remain at those for a period of five or ten years.

But again, the point is that the Republic has a low tax level as against our European partners, or more widely the OECD
countries. But this isn’t inevitable, it isn’t some function of our specific economy. It is the result, as noted in the two reports released this last month, of political and economic policies that were utterly ill-thought out. And that being the case, beyond the current problems, the argument for a thorough reworking of the situation in the future becomes overwhelming.

One would like to think that there is a new-found zeal for attempting to position us precisely for that level of future sustainability. But reading that…

…the government is considering introducing an Irish version of Germany’s balanced budget law, which would prohibit it from running budget deficits above a certain size.

Brian Lenihan, the Minister for Finance, has asked an Oireachtas committee to examine the case for the so-called national fiscal rules, which legally impose tighter fiscal discipline on national governments

.

… I’m not convinced.

As long as we are locked into the present low tax model fiscal discipline on the deficit side will merely see us replicate a situation where public services are underfunded. If, however, we were to move to a broader approach where low tax stopped being a mantra, and tax policy instead became a tool to be used as was necessary in order to underwrite public services, and fundamentally that means that they could be lowered or raised as appropriate (and indeed to be used decisively during economic booms in order to build up reserves – something that was not done in the last decade and a half) then such fiscal discipline would be welcome.

By the by, many of my caveats about EU oversight of the Irish budget would be very very much ameliorated were it a case that there were significant on-going social transfers (and I’m not talking about the sort of bail-out transfers currently on line) that typify the US federal case. But curiously we don’t have that. Instead we’re faced with a situation that, except in extremis, we see no intervention from the EU. On one level that’s as it should be, as sovereign states. But of course we’re now way beyond that sort of relationship between the component parts of the Union. And therefore I find it somewhat disturbing how this has been introduced essentially as a de facto measure.

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1. shane - June 22, 2010

If we do need to be bailed out, like Greece, a rise in corporation tax will one of the requirements. France and Germany won’t give us the money without ending this irritant.

WorldbyStorm - June 22, 2010

It would seem like a necessary quid pro quo. But in truth I’m more than half-persuaded that some amendment to it as it stands would be worthwhile in and of itself.

2. Tim Johnston - June 22, 2010

‘we currently have in effect a third-world corporate tax level’.
what BS and I’m going to call him on that one. Most third world countries are in the region of 30-40%. The countries on 10% are mostly in Eastern Europe (Albania, Bulgaria, Bosnia etc), and in fact if you look at the figures there seems little correlation between the rate and the state of the economy in each country, and the US rate starts at 15% (up to 39.5).

I think you and Shane are both correct, WbS, Ireland’s corporate rate could be raised and we won’t have a choice anyway. Why should France and Germany subsidise while we’re simultaneously trying to draw investment away from them?
The low rate served its purpose, time for a change.

In terms of personal taxes, we don’t necessarily have to jump on the high-tax bandwagon at all; taxes are already high, and we’re beginning to resemble the frog being boiled alive.
Just because the Belgians and the Swedes want to tax themselves stupid doesn’t mean we have to join in. PJ O’Rourke used to joke that in Sweden when you order a burger you buy the government fries and a coke.
The US, for example, is at the stage where half its population pay no income taxes whatsoever. Ireland’s bottom-30% tax contribution is the lowest in the OECD, and it would be healthier to have a very low rate that everybody pays (like 2%) rather than have zero contribution.

Are there not some areas fo spending you would like to see cut, rather than raise income taxes?

WorldbyStorm - June 22, 2010

That’s a fair criticism of his point Tim. And he should have fact-checked, as indeed should I.

Hmmm… interesting question you raise there at the end. What I would like to see cut are tax reliefs. I’d like to see them largely abandoned. I know there’s been some progress on this, but far from sufficient.

In terms of cuts per se I think that Will Hutton’s piece from the weekend points to the direction, if not the specifics, of how cuts – on a temporary and clearly limited basis – could be as a short term measure acceptable. But he also points to how any cuts would have to see a balance in terms of stimulus as well in order to encourage economic growth.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jun/20/budget-cuts-george-osborne

If you want specifics I’d suggest that discrete areas such as third level salaries might be a place to start, but the truth is that the amounts saved from this would be quite small over (not an excuse not to do it). I’d like to see higher level salaries in the public sector reviewed again. As to programmes the problem is that this society is one where spending in the social areas was low to begin with. I’m seeing on the ground the effects that cuts in the community budgets have had (and one slight point in favour of the GP is the way they’ve seemed to wake up to this issue, at least in part).

I would agree that there is a need to consider the utility of some agencies, and indeed actually there’s a need to consider the utility of all programmes. There’s no point in leftists pretending all is rosy or anything is beyond question.

Tim - June 22, 2010

I agree with most of that, actually.
Welfare spending in Ireland is exceptionally low anyway, as a % of GDP. Something like 13% as opposed to 21 in the UK and far below other EU countries – but as Lonergan above notes, our GDP was all smoke and mirrors during the boom. Cutting welfare as a first resort seems cruel at worse, and pointless at best. And it’s not like we have a defence budget! Where’s the money going?

WorldbyStorm - June 22, 2010

Ah… well, some would say into salaries in the PS, but I don’t see great evidence that they were massively over inflated – and they’ve certainly been pushed down in the last 18 months, although there was some that were ludicrous during the last ten years (although much the same could be said about the private sector). Spending on the HSE of course mushroomed. But… again. Thing is we’re still a relatively low spending state in European terms and we lagged well behind across decades.

In a way the most frustrating part of this is that because FF wasn’t hugely ideological even in its right of centre way (which of course is ideological, but you know what I mean) it’s been difficult to get a handle on what was done. And even the PDs were odd in economic liberal terms. All those agencies that they seemed to support. Indeed their flagship policy might well be regarded as the removal of the lower paid from the tax net, something I think was a massive error (in terms of the citizen/representation context). Indeed in terms of fostering a genuine enterprise culture I’d wonder at how effective the last 10 years were (and I don’t mean that in a glib way, just that the start-ups that might reap dividends further down the line seem a bit thin on the ground).

BTW There’s a nice graphic in the 2020 doc which compares and contrast the UK with Scandinavian styles in terms of expenditures/tax and provision.

Tim - June 22, 2010

Trying to avoid sounding like a complete sycophant here, but it’s a good point about the PDs. They seemed to be ideological rather than strategic tax-slashers; I never supported Harney (probably because I’ve met her). You’re spot on about the social effects of being outside the tax system, too.
When it comes to the Swedes, they’re welcome to do things their own way, but it’s interesting to note that Swedes are poorer than Americans before wealth transfers. I haven’t lived there but I’ve lived in Norway which has a similar regime, and although their taxes are massive, their services are not really that good. I had to pay to go to a “free” doctor, about 40 euros I think, and the buses and trains are insanely expensive. They DO however have a government department for everything, and the state owns all the off-licences!

WorldbyStorm - June 22, 2010

It’s funny, my father worked in Tallaght for much of his time. He knew Harney, Rabbitte, etc, due to the nature of his job and he was always a bit puzzled at her taking the PD route. I think he never quite worked out how she transitioned to the PDs from what appeared to be a fairly ordinary FF background. Or to put it another way I don’t think he entirely bought into her ideological shift. FF corporatism of the 1980s seemed slightly different to PD economic liberalish rhetoric.

BTW, I don’t think the state should own liquor stores… :)

ejh - June 22, 2010

PJ O’Rourke used to joke that in Sweden when you order a burger you buy the government fries and a coke.

And what a stupid joke it was. Anybody want to compare Swedish rates of poverty to American? Rates of homelessness? Universal health provision?

Fergal - June 22, 2010

word of caution on rate of povery in USA.Johnson decided to measure it in the 60s.The American measurement gives a rate of 16 per cent today but if it were measured by EU standards the figure would be 25 per cent.
the thing with income tax is the difference between the “marginal” rate and the actual/real rate.FDR creates a marginal rate of 93 per cent in the 30s……wonder if Mary Harney knew this when she claimed the state was closer to Boston than >Berlin

WorldbyStorm - June 22, 2010

That’s very true. And marginal rates can be open to misinterpretation as well come to think of it.

3. jim Monaghan - June 22, 2010

I am told that the multinationals figure Ireland is not competitive on labour costs. energy etc. and that the saving grace is the low coperation tax.They can number crunch all the data and they do.That is why Dell went to Lodz. add in transfer pricing and the scene is set.
We are explicitely caught in the race to the bottom and it is not a race we can opt out of as far as I can see.
Our problems are made worse by the ridicolous debt that is weighing us down

WorldbyStorm - June 22, 2010

I wonder though how we can compete in a race to the bottom?

4. jim Monaghan - June 22, 2010

Income tax is a tax we control. If we raise say VAT we get cross border shopping. I do not consider that our income tax is high. We need a higher band rate.I am fed up of hearing that we will lose all the talent if they have to pay a little more tax. We are losing real talent because we have no money for a stimulus and training/education hike.

WorldbyStorm - June 22, 2010

That’s true. And it means our resource base in human capital will be weaker when the situation improves.

5. Jim Monaghan - June 23, 2010

On a footnote I am told that the FAS Worke experience program is a real success. It allows people to serve an apprenticeship so to speak while claiming.
My eldest is off to China. I am personally a little bitter.

LeftAtTheCross - June 23, 2010

Jim,

Hope China works out well for your eldest. I’d imagine it will be an eye-opener. Do you mind me asking what type of work they’re heading off to do there, or is it an non-specific work visa thing?

Mark P - June 23, 2010

It also undermines the employment chances of junior people in the fields concerned. You can’t compete with free.

6. Jim Monaghan - June 23, 2010

He spent 3 years in Japan. His girlfriend was in Beijing. He is highly qualified but there are no openings here in Law. So away he goes like so many wild geese.
What little is left here will come under patronage and contacts.
Yes Mark, that is a danger and has to be policed. Mind you I think that many have an exaggerated idea on their contribution in the first few years.
On the main topic.
We live in a globalised economy. So we compete to sell goods and services internationally. This has to be done at a competitive price. Factors in this price are wages and associated costs.
EG Intel.
If it is not manufacturing chips at the right price it will not get the next stage of chip at Leixlip. The investment will go elsewhere and Leixlip will die on the vine. Nationalisation is not a real runner. Who would we sell outdated chips too?
The choice until recently was Boston or Berlin. Berlin is moving to Boston, so where does that leave us. Where we used to say that Socialism in a single (or group) of countries was doomed, I would add so it seems is Social Democracy as well. I suspect that one of the reasons that workers in Multinationals did not join unions is that they saw them as fairly ineffectual in the above context and they have a point. Look at the response to the closing of Dell in Limerick. The union could not keep it open as it would be impossible for the state to find the raw materials and a market to sell the PCs too.
How do we defend the social gains of the last decades in the context of a globalised world nevermind extend them. Saying that the quality of life is better in Berlin is not an economic argument that cuts much.
Would like intelligent answers.

WorldbyStorm - June 23, 2010

Yep, I think that this is an area we have to tease out a lot more. You certainly sketch out some compelling points as regards the limitations as to what is available. In the absence of any mass mobilisation against this, and indeed precious little not-mass mobilisation, it’s difficult to know what is the correct strategy left parties should employ.

LeftAtTheCross - June 24, 2010

The global race to the bottom which you describe is a reality which I don’t think has been taken on board by most people, including as you say people on the Left. I’ve commented on this with you before. I don’t see any solution which preserves the standards of living which we’ve become accustomed to in the west in the latter part of the 20 century. Part of the problem is that those standards of living were based on exploitation of the natural resources and trading relations of the developing world, the minority world became rich by impoverishing the majority world (and impoverishing the planet). As socialists I think we have to recognise this and look to a future where global standards of living are more equal. That means less wealth for us in the west obviously. Having said that, the race to the bottom which we’re actually talking about is not one which is motivated by internationalist solidarity amongst the working people of the world, it is one imposed upon same by the imperialist trans-national capitalist ruling class. It’s one thing to accept a lower standard of living because of solidarity, another altogether to have it forced upon us in order to increase the wealth of an ever-decreasing number of global oligarchs. The wealth pyramid becoming more pointy of you like. As to solutions, I really don’t see any other this side of global revolution, which won’t be tomorrow or the day after. What’s happening in Latin America appears to offer hope, societies which are turning their back to global capitalism to some extent or another. I’ve offered the opinion before that Cuba is a model we might aspire towards in many respects, but I think you took up my comment not as I intended it and dismissed it as a failing example of “Socialism in One Country”, whereas what I meant was that it is a socialist society which operates an intensely loaclly economy, relatively immune to the ups and downs of the globalised capitalist economy, and based on relatively low energy usage which is something we’ll all need to be doing with peak oil. So, think Cuba I say, that’s our future long-term.

7. Captain Rock - June 23, 2010

Dell was non-union to start with, and it was only when the closure was announced that some workers made contact with SIPTU. That did help them improve their redundancy deal. Even some of the famously non-union Quinn Group workers have sought out contact now- so while the unions can’t stop a firm closing they still can provide expertise and leverage to workers in those situations.

WorldbyStorm - June 23, 2010

I think that that’s a not important function. And, there’s the small point that subsequently workers will have a radically different view of unions.

On the same note a friend of mine who had for years resisted joining a union finally did so about two years ago (after considerable discussion from those of us already long in unions). Things went not so well in the company she’s working for in the last two months. When she went to the union one of those she was dealing with were sort of ‘well, typical, you only joined us recently when things went sour… and now you expect our help’. I can’t think of a more short-sighted approach to such matters. There’s a pool of people out there who can if not be exactly radicalised at least gain a sympathy for organisations they might previously have been ill informed or suspicious of.

8. Jim Monaghan - June 24, 2010

“relatively immune to the ups and downs of the globalised capitalist economy,”
iI don’t think Cuba is immune ( without Chavez they would be broken)but I accept a lot of your points about over exploitation of resources and risks ( eg current Gulf disaster).
An added point would be peoples perceptions of poverty. I am surprised at comments I have heard from people whose income is a multiple of the average wage who think they are poor. Everyone (it seems ) is for a higher income tax band which starts at least 10 grand above what they are making.
Even if we got the builders and the bankers ( and I am for that in a quite nasty way) it would not get much as they squandered the bulk of it.
I can see the point of letting Anglo go. The other two banks if let go would destroy our ability to borrow.Again I hav eyet to see an answer that goes beyond rhetoric. The money saved (which has to be borrowed) would not exist for better things.
While intellectually the SP, SWP and assorted far left would say let us have an Irish Cuba and go our own way, and this makes for some sense. I cannot for the life of me see much else that makes sense.
Oh the TUs as a sort of Citizen advice bureau, oh If Larkin could see this.
The challenge for the left is to come up with answers that are a little more sophisticated than a Dave Mc Spart sort of
“Nationalise Dell under Workers Control”


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