Well, what did they eff-effing expect? October 23, 2010
Posted by WorldbyStorm in Irish Politics, The Left.trackback
More on this during the week…
Meanwhile, for some unaccountable reason the Irish Times front page on the website hadn’t noted this not insignificant news (at least as of 23:46).
And indeed no mention by 11.58 this morning either.


The Irish Times site is rarely updated from Saturday evening to Sunday night.
although the “latest news” does claim to have been updated after the embargo on the poll, with the important news about some makey-uppy sport between Irish Gaelic footballers and Ozzie rules lads….
my spreadsheet figures here, if anyone’s interested….
http://irishpollingreport.wordpress.com/2010/10/23/redc-move-back-in-line/
Apart from sports. I regularly check in over the weekend, forgetting that all I’m going to see is the sports news. A headline “Lenihan made poor choice” on a Sunday will be on a story about some soccer or GAA manager’s team selection.
Chris Andrews apparently tweeting that FF and FG should consider merging…..What bliss to be alive at this hour.
I’m rather shocked that John Hume was voted ‘Ireland’s greatest’. I mean, honestly?
Out of interest, who would you have picked?
Out of the final five, I’d have picked Connolly. But it’s still a piss poor list of candidates and reflects badly on Irish society.
heh. True enough. It certainly reflects badly on how far back “history” goes for a lot of people.
Would it be trivialising for CLR to conduct some type of poll to find out who its readers think is Irelands greatest.Maybe there could be catagories Politics,Science ,Art/Entertainment etc.End of year or christmas.
some makey-uppy sport between Irish Gaelic footballers and Ozzie rules lads….
I remember using exactly the same expression in one of my anti-Gah rants, and someone pointing out, completely correctly, that every sport was ‘makey-uppy’ at some stage.
well yes, a bit like the difference between a religion and a cult is that the former is one of the latter that made it big!
Can’t see that happening with this thing though, there’s no “compromise rules” games played out there, just these “tests”
Yes, but in rather different circumstances
Given the history of these games, it was amusing though that the headline gives the Irish team a “fighting” chance….
Most interesting was a drop in the numbers who have any confidence in a FG/Lab government being able to do anything about the economic collapse. 25% are confident as against 43% who have no confidence. That’s a startling figure and should give Labour some pause for thought. I said should, not would.
I suspect people know in their heart-of-hearts the austerity sadism FG and Labour have signed up to will get them nothing but suffering. Perhaps some have gone further and doubt there is any solution with capitalism to this crisis of capitalism.
That figure is manna from heaven for Labour. The lower the expectations, the more viciously they can cut and blame it on Europe. It literally couldn’t have fallen out any better for them. Labour’s successful spearheading of the anti-union and pro-cuts agenda is a massive vindication of the Spring project, in terms of the electoral success achievable by a thorough divestment of any pretence to principle.
Gilmore must pinch himself every morning and wonder whether he’s woken up in some sort of Total Recall-style simulation specifically tailored for him and his co-thinkers. This is everything he ever dreamt of and more. The free exercise of power without any obligation to deliver the most minimal semi-social democratic programme whatsoever.
Now Monday and there’s damn all in today’s paper about it. Are they storing up their own poll and don’t want to give publicity to the “competition”?
hope not – I’m busy this week!
would be interested in whether they’ll ask how ppl would vote FF if Lenihen was their leader, as I’d say his popularity may have taken a knock from the recent financial news. 39% wanted him to succeed Cowen in the last MRBI. Might be the figure to watch …
It’s really interesting that they’re being so coy. But again this cuts across their analysis, long propounded, that once people started to look for the detail of LP proposals they’d be afrit as the phrase has it. They have and they’re not, or rather I suspect they’re not too worried.
That’s a great point Dotski…
Speaking of Labour proposals, Dublin Dilletante has an interesting piece up here on Labour’s proposals to break strikes with the army:
http://circumlimina.wordpress.com/2010/10/25/pink-pds-beyond-gubu/
Whatever about the voting public being worried, Ireland’s elite clearly have nothing to worry about from Labour.
David Begg said:
if trade unions pushed “what is perceived by the population to be a narrow class interest beyond what is good for the whole population, what you will create is a fascist backlash”.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/1025/1224281952146.html
So in order to prevent a ‘fascist backlash’ Labour has to form a coalition with F.G. and implement their neo-liberal policies.
Were you at the TASC yoke on Saturday, CL?
Any good stuff?
No I’m in NYC. But it was blogged on the TASC website. Some familiar criticisms of neo-liberalism.
Tasc, Stiglitz et al are now looking for a new ‘paradigm’, and that could be seen as the theme of the TASC conference. But this notion, derived from Thomas Kuhn’s influential book The Structure of Scientific Revolutions, is not very helpful in understanding how the ideology underlying capitalism, orthodox economics, has changed and adapted over more that two centuries, while maintaining its rationalization of the system. So the TASC conference? Brother can you paradigm?
Brother can you paradigm? I like it CL.
I was at the TASC conference. I would agree with CL. I would say that the only “pradaigm breaking” came (again) from John Barry, who argued that growth is not a viable objective.
I heard David McWilliams on Matt Cooper last week. I didn’t quite get some of what he was saying, but he was damning about the government’s plans. He opposes higher taxation on wealth. But he was critical of the need to cut to please ‘the markets’. He also made the point that Labour of all parties, should favour a more expansive programme, but are absolutly terrified of being protrayed in the press as ‘left-wing’ so are constantly trying to be ‘whiter than white’. If McWilliams can see this, when is some one in the Labour Party going to come out and say it?