Some thoughts on the election – Part 4: the enduring political legacy of the Workers’ Party March 4, 2011
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Okay, this is a little off the point, but as I noted at the beginning of the week, this is all about stray musings on the election, so here goes. It’s an odd one, but how many have noted the remarkable fact that the political descendants of Official Sinn Féin/Workers’ Party and successor groups have done rather well in this election?
Now, in fairness, that’s a given since the Labour Party is led by a former OSF/WP member, there are rumours that another may get the Minister for Finance job (and if it does go to an LP member what does that tell us about the state of the economy?) and even today there remains a cohort of TDs from the Labour Party with OSF or WP backgrounds, though that band is now diminished. Still, one is back – again. I remember meeting Eric Byrne in the mid 1980s in the Liberties about one issue or another when he was representing the WP.
But then look a bit further afield and you begin to see that others can also be traced at least in part to that lineage. One could be mischievous and suggest that Gerry Adams learned an awful lot from the strand that became OSF and the WP and by some accounts there was disappointment on the part of those who went with OSF that young Adams chose the PSF route, particularly after his enthusiasm for political activism.
Catherine Murphy was also a WP representative before going the DL/LP course and finally winding up as a successful independent, twice now! And I should add it’s good to see her back in the Dáil.
John Halligan, of Waterford, is perhaps a more intriguing prospect having only left the WP in the relatively recent past. It’s interesting to read his website and see his continued aversion to privatization even though the issue he broke with the WP on was charges for services. Will independence at national level and surrounded by leftish others strengthen that aspect of his approach or weaken it?
Am I missing anyone?
Tony Gregory once told a few of us how he had learned everything he knew about election campaigns while in OSF and in that sense the election of Maureen O’Sullivan may represent an echo, for in truth she did fight this election with much less of a play on the Gregory name, of that heritage.
To me what is remarkable is that that store of political capital has yet to run out. It’s irritating to have to point to the fact that the high profile of Eoghan Harris was built initially on the bedrock of the WP.
And it’s perhaps telling that while most of those mentioned above have tilted rightwards only Harris can be said to have gone over to the right.
More gloomily one has to note that the WP didn’t exactly sparkle at this election. The results could, at best, be described as mixed. And yet, for all that the environment wasn’t positive with extremely strong competitors in all electoral contests, it seems to me that there remains a good prospect for the next local election in a range of areas.
Indeed the less good than expected showing of Independent Cieran Perry perhaps suggests that as ever it requires not just years, but decades of work to build a base for individual candidates, even in the seemingly most hospitable of constituencies. Interesting too to reflect that both Perry and Ted Tynan of the WP are both sitting councillors.
But that too was a lesson Tony Gregory took from OSF. And it’s a lesson that many inside Sinn Féin also took to heart over the years (though spare a thought for those who ducked out from that party in 2007 and 2009 and consider whether that seems like such a clever move in retrospect). It took a decade and a half, or a little over, for SF to move from single to double figures. But we’ll look in greater detail at that next week.
Nothing happens quickly, well…nothing bar the collapse of Fianna Fáil, and its political partners. All those I’ve mentioned who did less well than might have been expected will get another chance, and another.
BTW, Tomboktu pointed out that former members of the Democratic Socialist Party have a slightly increased representation in this Dáil too.

There are at least three ex DSP Labour TDs in Jan O’Sullivan, Michael Conaghan and Eamonn Maloney yet I make it only four ex WP Labour TDs in Kathleen Lynch, Gilmore, Rabbitte and Eric Byrne.
In Dublin South Central, ‘old’ Labour must be unhappy to see the two Labour seats taken by interlopers from the DSP and DL. (But then, those who won weren’t building a dynasty/ monarchy!)
Did any of Conaghan, Maloney or O’Sullivan have a pre-DSP political history? Are any of them former members of the SPI (no relation to today’s SP) or the BICO?
Paddy Smyth does some musing on the political histories of the same TDs in today’s Irish Times.
Yes, darn it. Nice chart though was Sean Sherlock a member of DL?
Did not Liz McManus try and do the dynastic thing and we have a Sherlock. Both DLs
Yes, they did. McManus was not successful.
I see today that Labour has stated that local authority replacements for councillors elected to the Dáil last week must not be family members keeping seats warm.
ex-WP people seem to get everywhere – two of the most prominent NI journalists – Clarke and McDonald – were both formally of that parish.
I find it just as interesting why the WP now is a failiure in electoral terms (no offence meant) – did virtually all the talented politicians leave to join DL? I would find that hard to believe.
Ramzi, it possibly depends on what you mean by “talented politicians”. I’ve certainly heard the comment made that the “best performers” left in ’92, though it wasn’t necessarily said in a generous way. There is plenty of political weight in the WP, but in electoral politics that’s clearly insufficient in itself. It’s an interesting dilema…
Hi Left – yes I should have qualified my terms – I meant “best performers”.
Pat Kenny was going on a lot about FF and their brand being toxic last Saturday. It struck me as being a horrible way to talk about politics but it would seem that it might be the case with the WP.
Mick Finnegan did the best of the lot. It seems a respectable enough vote. It would have been nice, if he had polled more than Gogo. He nearly did it.
Ted’s vote must have been a bit of a disappointment, although he did get a council seat with less than 500 first preferences.
The ORM fella did the worst of the lot and his vote certainly seems to be bordering on the electoral maschoism that was a plank of why he left them in the first place.
“Pat Kenny was going on a lot about FF and their brand being toxic last Saturday. It struck me as being a horrible way to talk about politics but it would seem that it might be the case with the WP.”
Can Left politics be reduced to a question of “branding”? I’m not suggesting that we engage in a post-mortem here on the WP’s election performance but for me the biggest issue was relative lack of exposure for the candidates and policies (both historically over years and immediately during the election campaign) in the face of a highly competitive Left-of-centre pool of candidates. Simply put, the other Left parties had more resources, in some cases better known candidates, and bigger and more effective PR machines on the ground. It doesn’t excuse the poor results, but where there was competition for votes against SF or the ULA it’s clear that the WP was swamped. None of which has anything to do with “branding”, and none of which could be corrected by “rebranding”. I don’t believe the WP is “toxic” by any means. And I’d also like to comment that I agree with the view that the election has been a great success for the Left, in the broadest sense incl. the LP and SF, and that the ULA’s success in establishing a critical mass of dissent within the Dáil is a major achievement. So from a WP perspective, sure the party needs to do plenty of hard work, but for the broader issue of working class politics it’s all good stuff “going forwards”.
The ORM stood a candidate? Where? Who?
I think GypsyBhoy is referring to Seamus McDonagh who stood for the WP in Meath. As far as I know, he left the WP for the ORM at the time of that split but has since gone back to the WP (don’t know exactly when).
Not sure about the ORM, must ask him about it! He did leave the WP for a while alright but from what I understand it wasn’t over WP/ORM differences. His performance in Meath-West was lower than we’d hoped but not entirely unexpected as the local branch was only re-established 12 months ago, we’ve just been getting off the ground and we didn’t have the local visibility. To be honest it was really an exercise in getting some momentum rolling for the next local elections where we hope to run candidates for the town councils in Kells and Navan and also for the Meath county council. Concentrating on Navan, we were up against local LP and SF candidates, both sitting councillors, with good profiles and with local issues under their belts. Other than Navan the constituency is pretty rural and not necessarily fertile ground for the further Left. So all in all, even the couple of hundred votes was a start, not an overly encouraging one, but a start nonetheless.
Thanks for that LATC. And sincerely best of luck with the work.
Given that we’ve gotten into a discussion on the results for the WP candidates in the election, here’s my tuppenceworth. Left candidates will only get elected if they engage in the hard graft on the ground. They need to engage with the local communities, work with them on campaigns to improve their lives, lead those campaigns where necessary and agitate and campaign for a fair share of national resources for all communities. Members need to get out of branch meetings and into community meetings and campaigns. End of speech.
“Members need to get out of branch meetings and into community meetings and campaigns”
Getting members into branch meetings would be a start!
But yes, you’re right of course. SF had the start on us with the Save Navan Hospital campaign and rode that wave to electoral success in Meath-West where their man Tobin took the 3rd seat ahead of the LP’s Jenny McHugh (who has been heavily involved in the local school provision campaign for a few years). So yes, local campaigning is clearly both a worthy end in itself and also a vehicle for building a broader profile for parties and election candidates.
Anne Ferris was also a WP councillor in Bray but very close the McManuses. Left with them in 1992.
That would be WAS very close to them. She is not popular with the McManuses now cos she had the gall to stand against McManus junior for the nomination this time… and beat him! All those unopened bottles of bubbly chez Liz, brought in for the celebrations for junior’s certain victory at the convention. Whatever will become of them?
As WBS said the results of this election is good news for the left, for it charts a way to parliamentary representation for not only the Irish Left, but the European left as a whole. I e you have to build a base within constituencies and wards if you wish to gain the support of the Electorate. In other words this is a long game and comrades need to learn to walk before we run.
This is something much of the English left still has to learn, still viewing election as a propaganda exercise with its here to day gone tomorrow electoral strategy. Plus it is a fools errand working to stand for as many seats as you can to gain a party political broadcast as these day few people are interested in them.
Will the left TDs, whether indies, ULA, whoever, join together in a group in parliament?
+1
This is something much of the English left still has to learn, still viewing election as a propaganda exercise with its here to day gone tomorrow electoral strategy.
Up to a point, but do remember that the UK has a different electoral system in which the votes received by ULA candidates wouldn’t get you anywhere near a seat. Which is one reason why the, ah, “English left” hasn’t really favoured that road recently. Doesn’t mean it’s not worth trying again, but different circumstances and experiences (and for that matter, different views and preferences) sometimes call for different tactics.
Salma Yaqoob’s results in the last election? (I know she came second but I think it was the best result scored by a left wing candidate)
#Joe – Ted Tynan is very involved in his local community. He was founder and chair of Mayfield East Community Association, founder of Householders Against Service Charges (he went to jail on the issue, as did Mick Barry a decade later), involved in every campaign of worth in Cork for the last 40 years from the Cork campaign against the Vietnam War to the Orthopaedic Hospital / Campaign for a Better Health Service. Couldn’t possibly be much more active on the ground.
That’s all true Drithleog though I don’t think Joe mentioned Ted specifically. In my experience the WP have been just as active as any other left group, if not more so.
Thanks Drithleóg. I’m certainly not criticising Ted, or any other candidate, over their level of activity – people in glass houses and all that.
I know nothing of what’s happening on the ground in Cork city.
But will Ted and the WP now look at what they do and how they do it to see is there a better way to be politically active and win support at election time?
I hope this post isnt misinterpreted, as i respect Ted and can indeed vouch for his activism in the community as described above.
However, I think people might be labouring under the impression that his election in 09 was a major breakthrough and renaissance of the WP in cork.
The seat fell to him, effectively by default.
if the second FG candidate had not been a complete balloon, if lab had ran a second candidate, or if SF hadnt had their cllr walk out a month or 2 in advance, any of them would probably have taken it. As it was they didnt happen. Ted has had a respectable, vote for many years, which has been personal and constant in his own ward. On more or less the same vote as 04, he managed to stay in the race longer, and was elected on SF transfers (unlikely to happen next time). So i dont think many locally were surprised at his vote, in any case he easily doubled it. it was a packed left field, in which he was comfortably the least well known, and (i hope im not being too unkind now) least media savvy left candidate.
I would like to qualify all that by saying that he is a good worker and is very committed to his constituents and campaigning, and will continue to have good ‘mass’ among many people in mayfield who will continue to vote for him, and may elect him to council in a few years again. But i dont think WP people should be particularly disapointed in the circumstances i have outlined, it was always going to be v tough going for Ted
“Not sure about the ORM, must ask him about it! He did leave the WP for a while alright but from what I understand it wasn’t over WP/ORM differences.”
In that case it’s probably just a coincidence that he left at the time of the WP/ORM split and happened to be on the ORM National Executive for several years after that.
All’s well that ends well – I suppose.
Gypsy, I stand corrected, thanks for that. Anyhow he’s well back in the WP fold now and I’m not sure that the diversion voa the ORM was a factor one way of the other in the election result, which is what this thread is about. Except of course that splits have weakened the WP over the years obviously, so in that general sense it is relevant I suppose.
Ah come on lads, I know this is a WP friendly site but be honest, the WP results were pathetic. In Dublin Central they were in competition with the Christian Solidarity Party! Acknowledging that Malachy Steenson is a recognised community activist the party will have to look at the reasons for the poor result given the state of the economy. I’ve also seen a couple of references to the poor result for Ciaran Perry. I know he has a couple of fans on this site but what did people really expect? There is no chance of two independent seats in Dublin Central and the Gregory candidate is always going to be the winner. Christy Burke and Perry split the rest of the left independent vote. Maybe Perry is rethinking his refusal to join the ULA.
Well, I kind of see where you’re coming from, but I guess it’s a case of solidarity for all left candidates, be they (at least in my definition) stretching from individual members of the LP, SF candidates, ULA candidates, etc, etc… and that includes for many of us the WP as well given that some would be members, some of us ex-members, etc.
I don’t think anyone seriously expected any WP to take a seat. Or indeed Cieran Perry either. And I absolutely agree with you. There’s not a hope in hell, particularly not now, of two Indo seats in DC. Though… one caveat. I couldn’t call that election result (bar Costello obviously) before hand. I hoped MOS would make it and was increasingly optimistic on that score. I equally hoped MLM would make it but wasn’t sure she would. I didn’t hope that our new FG rep would make it.
So if some were a bit over optimistic, well, so be it. I think it wasn’t unreasonable for people to hope that their candidates would do better than they did, though I think the election made it more difficult.
That’s an intersting point re the ULA.
Was I the only person who saw the image of the WP candidates and thought, “Workers’ Party? More like Pensioners’ Party.”
With luck we’ll all be pensioners some day…
but it wasn’t that bad. Sure, some of the candidates were a bit older and I’d argue WP will have to examine that if tehy want to consolidate.
It’s an argument for sure, but you’d wonder where to stop once you embark down the route of picking “poster-friendly” candidates etc. Not to argue that the age profile, and gender profile, wasn’t skewed by any means, but where’s the sunstance of the problem with that, except at a very superficial level. Surely if the Left is toset out its stall as promoting a different type of politics, a different vision of society, then the last thing we should be doing is engaging in the sort of superficiality that says pretty young things (of any gender) will help us win seats. Means and ends of course, but by conceding these types of tactical points we buy into the rotteness at the core of our current representative democracy. Ok, maybe I’m over-exaggerating the point, but you know what I mean. Yes it would be better to see the WP candidates better reflect the general demographic in society, but first we need to work towards having an active membership which better reflect that reality, and then look to selection and promotion of election candidates on that basis. IMHO.
Michael Finnegan reused posters from previous election campaigns, and they clearly showed him aging.
The Bolsheviks liked their leaders to be a bit older apparently. One of Trotsky’s faults in the 1920s power struggle was that he was slightly too youthful. Wasn’t the vozhd himself a mere 73 when he died? Youth should not matter, i’m sure everyone agrees with that.
At #9 GB wrote – “In that case it’s probably just a coincidence that he left at the time of the WP/ORM split and happened to be on the ORM National Executive”
Did the ORM have a website or where would a member of the public have found out their National Exec.?
I was wondering that myself but (found via Google) there’s an issue of their newsletter on the CLR here http://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/2009/01/26/irish-left-archive-an-solas-the-voice-of-the-official-republican-movement-november-2005/ which lists Séamus McDonagh on the front page.
Anyhow word from the horses mouth confirms it’s the same person.
I am I suppose WP unfriendly and I have not found this site partisan towards any left wing group.Refreshing is it not.
On the success or otherwise of the various formations I would say it is early days.ULA, which I support is fairly fragile and needs time and patience to stablise and grow. The charter founders (Sp, PbP, South Tipp et al) need to figure out the next step. A broader formation with individual membership.
I would see it trying at least to draw in other individuals and left wing groups.If this does not fully work out then a broader left slate for the locals would be a step forward.Perhaps this would be possible on an anti-coalition and anti cuts and anti signing off on cuts basis.
Crowing about success is premature and would act as a barrier in getting these other forces to engage.The LP is hoping that the eternal squabbles of the more far left will let them off the hook in their treachery. There is me anticipating tomorrow.
Very good point re ‘success… being premature’. Now’s where the really hard work begins.
With luck we’ll all be pensioners some day…
WBS,
Some of us already are and the grey vote if organized could become a very powerful force. I would add when you reach a certain age, you life seems to have gone by in a blink of an eye, there is a lesson their comrade but unfortunately most of us fail to learn it until it is to late.
Republican socialist.
Whilst your correct about Salma, bless her, you should not over look leftwing British Labour Party members like John McDonnell and others, whose views on most issues are as solid as those leftists who refuse to join that party. Indeed on many of the major issues they have been the bedrock of British left campaigns.
Which I find interesting is a a number of organisations who have become the stumbling blocks to left unity, more often than not end up at McDonnell’s door, and positively wet themselves if he agrees to talk at one of their conferences, etc.
Well you know what I mean!
I’m getting to the point in middle age where I feel the same about life going in the blink of an eye. Ach, at least were still here.
Good point re McDonnell. I think openers to others is crucial.
Openess to others… Natch
Should Irish Times ex-Trot Journalists Throw Stones in their Glass-House? Maybe Not :
http://tomasoflatharta.com/2011/03/05/should-irish-times-ex-trot-journalists-throw-stones-in-their-glass-house/
‘There is no chance of two independent seats in Dublin Central and the Gregory candidate is always going to be the winner.’
How long will that be the case? There is an independent seat there. Who wins it is the question.
Let me rephrase that. At this election the Gregory candidate was always going to be the winner in a contest between Independents.
As for the future, I agree, there’s one Independent seat there now FG seems to have captured one for itself. And who gets it in the future is a very interesting question indeed.
is the wp standing in the election up north