Sunday Independent Stupid Statement of the Week September 25, 2011
Posted by WorldbyStorm in Economy, Irish Politics, Northern Ireland, Sinn Féin, Sunday Independent Stupid Statement of the Week, The Left.39 comments
Garibaldy is indisposed so it falls to me to do a rapid search of the Sunday Independent to see what treasures it offers up.
Let us start with the front page and under the headline: Ross signs for Norris, 67% ‘no’ to Aras Provo [by the way the word Áras has a fada on it, as a quick visit here demonstrates - a small thing no doubt to some] we discover that that 67% is made up of… er… data from the indefatigable Quantum Research.
The Sunday Independent/Quantum Research poll has produced results broadly
in line with the results of a Millward Browne Lansdowne online poll for RTE News on Friday, which showed Mr Norris to be the frontrunner to win the election if nominated.
Our telephone poll of 500 people nationwide shows: David Norris (29 per cent); Michael D Higgins (17 per cent); Martin McGuinness (15 per cent); Gay Mitchell (12 per cent); Mary Davis (12 per cent); Sean Gallagher (nine per cent) and Dana Rosemary Scallan (six per cent).
You know, even on those figures you’d wonder why the panic down at Sunday Independent Central as regards McGuinness… but panic, or at least obsession there is, as pieces here, here [from Michael McDowell], here [of which more in a moment], here, here, here [again of which more later] , and here [Celia Larkin - natch!] prove. And that’s only the commentary – I haven’t bothered to examine the news section.
Anyhow, as far as I can determine Quantum Research has no existence outside the Sunday Independent and is not a member of the Association of Irish Market Research Organsiations, as are all other polling companies. Which might account for a certain loaded aspect to the questions… Check these out…
Those polled are equally definitive in relation to the issues which have so far come to dominate the campaign of the Sinn Fein candidate, Mr McGuinness.
In contrast to the position which Sinn Fein is attempting to adopt, 74 per cent said that the “violent past” of Mr McGuinness was relevant to the presidential election and 69 per cent said it was “too soon for a man of violence” to be President.
Hmmm…
Not necessarily stupid, but most certainly something to file under ‘should do more research’ is a piece by Ronan Fanning on why the above mentioned McGuinness is no man for the Áras. The reason for this apparently is that ‘This is the Republic of Ireland 2011 — not Northern Ireland’. Why that per se makes a difference is difficult to understand from the article itself which cautions against ‘rabid denunciations of what McGuinness did or did not do in the IRA since the mid-Seventies’ but then suggests that ‘McGuinness is utterly unfit to be President because what he personifies is the Provisional IRA.’ But note that Fanning – Professor Emeritus of Modern History at University College Dublin – resorts to using the – ahem – Quantum Research poll to validate his thoughts…
That 74 per cent of respondents in today’s Sunday Independent poll think his violent past is relevant to the presidential campaign is reassuring. So, too, is the fact that 53 per cent believe he was wrong to have walked away from his job as Deputy First Minister.
Moving swiftly onwards… and for a moment bypassing the Presidential Election, don’t worry, we’ll get back to it shortly, what of Marc Coleman’s ‘Croke Park? More like Stroke or Broke Park’ wherein he makes the following fascinating analysis:
Depressingly, some of my colleagues are urging the Government to go down the failed strategy — economically failed and politically failed — of higher taxes. Stephen Collins, a commentator I like and admire, describes the household charge as some Holy Grail, an act of valiant necessity. It is nothing of the sort.
And…
…Following the successful strategy of Ray McSharry between 1987 and 1990, that budget left tax rates alone and cut spending.
With the exception of cuts in basic welfare rates — which were unjust and destructive (means testing welfare would have been fairer and less damaging to demand) — the other three crisis budgets followed the failed reverse approach pursued by Fine Gael and Labour in the mid-1980s of leaving spending alone and raising taxes. From an average 0.3 per cent between 1982 and 1986, economic growth shot up to an average of three per cent between 1987 and 1990. The mid-1980s strategy was an economic failure, and in the long run a failure politically, as it took Fine Gael another 31 years to get re-elected to office. By contrast, the government that took hard decisions between 1987 and 1990 was re-elected
Except, except, if one looks at the actual rates of taxation extant in the economy during that period one notices one fundamental flaw in his argument – and an indication that he doesn’t actually read Collins that closely given that the argument Collins makes is almost indistinguishable from his own…
Anyhow, back to the Presidential Election and Jody Corcoran who running with the idée fixe of the Sindo under the heading ‘McGuinness’s entry exposes moral ambiguity of establishment’ berates his fellow journalists for their temerity in not being concerned that ‘a leader of a terrorist organisation, such as he, could be President of Ireland.’
So pleased is he with this formulation that he offers it to the reader no less than three more times in the course of the piece.So he notes:
Predictably, none of the other candidates for the Presidency, when asked last week, expressed concern that a terrorist leader may end up in the Aras, which, to my mind, raises a question as to their suitability for the office.
And asks:
I mean, do we want a President who claims not to be unduly concerned that a leader of a terrorist organisation may end up President of Ireland?
And…
Presumably, McGuinness had in mind most of the journalists of the Sunday Independent, and some of elsewhere, when he sought to claim that it was only a few who were concerned that a terrorist leader could end up as President.
No messing around there with qualifiers such as the past tense – or the term ‘former’. And what of this which seems to run counter to the reports of the two governments and the Independent International Commission on Decommissioning.
Post-ceasefires, post-Good Friday, while the Provos were still unapologetic, still in existence — they still are – the establishment consistently sought to blur the lines.
One might reasonably ask though, given the word count and spread of commentators from the – er – Irish ‘establishment’ on display in his own paper today, whether he’s being entirely serious in his thesis.
A target rich environment this week, perhaps more so than most, and you’d probably not be wrong. But to be honest I’m sure others can find better… so by all means point us all in the direction of what you find.
BTW, worth reading is Shane Ross’s highly entertaining account of why he’s signing David Norris’s nomination papers but voting for… Michael D. Higgins!
The latest polls – a quick thought… September 24, 2011
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It’s Saturday, so I’ll leave a more detailed analysis of the latest round of polls to be published tomorrow for later in the week.
However. However. I’ve noted from the start that I think a McGuinness win is somewhat unlikely, though the campaign itself might do him no harm. But the concentration in the media on him, while unsurprising, may be missing the point given how he will actually poll.
And the thought struck me reading the precis on RTÉ news, that in a way FG and others while correct in fearing the effect of a McGuinness campaign in terms of further strengthening Sinn Féin in the Republic may be missing a different and more pressing issue.
The Presidential contest also seems to be having an effect on party support, with the Sunday Business Post / Red C poll showing big increases for Sinn Féin and Independents.
Since the last such poll in May support for Fine Gael has dropped six points to 33%, Labour is down three to 16%, Fianna Fáil is down one to 15%, Sinn Féin gains four to 15% while Independents and others gain 8% to reach 21%.
Sinn Féin will more than likely do better than they are currently doing at the next election. But look at the figures for the Independents [and of course we mustn't forget the ULA is in there too] and think forward three or four years. They provide an even more congenial place for voters disenchanted with the current government, and unlikely to want to gift FF either with a slight return or otherwise, to go.
And consider how high that Independent vote is going and how it is impacting on FG too.
President Norris, Independent President Norris.
And if FG should take note of that, and start to train their fire in that direction, well so indeed most likely will those who can actuate such an outcome.
Those nomination papers may well be signed sealed and delivered by Monday.
Addendum: Here’s an interesting graph from the Irish Times of polling prior to the Election this year. http://cedarlounge.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/itpollgo-copy.jpg
Look in particular at the Independents poll rating.
East Wall Schoolboy Strike redux September 24, 2011
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A piece by Patsy McGarry here about the subject of the guest post last week on the East Wall Schoolboy Strike. There are also pieces on it in the Northside People, PoliticalWorld, Turtle Bunbury and on Sean Moncrieff.
Talking to Joe Mooney it is clear that more facts surrounding the event is coming to light.
East Wall History group have asked me to ask anyone with further information to forward it to this email: eastwallhistory@gmail.com.
Given the recent Cheney autobiography… September 24, 2011
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…somehow this seems appropriate.
I’m sure I’m late to this party, but this is pretty good, particularly for anyone familiar with the source material. As for the latter I always found there was something almost hallucinatory about it… an odd but compelling little book.
This Weekend I’ll Mostly Be Listening to… Fugazi September 24, 2011
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Fugazi one of Washington DCs finest.
When I first got into them, it was unlikely that you’d hear Fugazi on the radio, so literally every album was bought blind. I’d buy the LP in town, get the bus home and rush in to put it on the record player and wait the few seconds for the needle to hit the first grooves. Invariably I was exhilarated by the rush of rhythm and noise. Saw them live on a number of occasions in the SFX and their shows were brilliant.
Their records and CDS still get a regular airing at home, although they are not quite everyone’s cup of tea.
As a band they were known for their DIY ethic, their concert tickets were cheap, records (LP,CDs ) were low cost too. They are currently on an indefinite hiatus.
A good profile of the band here
“…buggered are we, causality have not do we If” September 23, 2011
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Yeah, that got your attention… but then again this got mine. It’s interesting how much the media has run with this both main stream and social.
Got to be honest I agree with the term ‘troubling’ in the following:
Scientists at the Gran Sasso facility will unveil evidence on Friday that raises the troubling possibility of a way to send information back in time, blurring the line between past and present and wreaking havoc with the fundamental principle of cause and effect.
Albeit, as with most of these issues the macro effects are probably minimal, or will be so in terms of impact upon us – if any at all. But, if it’s accurate that’s an interesting breach in the wall of contemporary understanding of physics, and according to the Guardian report there may be hints that this effect has been perhaps seen previously. Or alternative explanations, that the neutrino’s slipped into other dimensions to assist their journey seem to be intriguing in and of themselves.
Mind you, I liked this… sort of…
Subir Sarkar, head of particle theory at Oxford University, said: “If this is proved to be true it would be a massive, massive event. It is something nobody was expecting.
“The constancy of the speed of light essentially underpins our understanding of space and time and causality, which is the fact that cause comes before effect.
“Cause cannot come after effect and that is absolutely fundamental to our construction of the physical universe. If we do not have causality, we are buggered.“
This Week At The Irish Election Literature Blog September 23, 2011
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Starting off this week with a “Seeking A Nomination” leaflet from Mary Davis
Then a Gay Mitchell flyer strangely tells us that his father died when he was five and his mother went out to work at 4 am
Then on to two small shortlived parties (would love some more info on them if anyone has any)
From the 1943 General Election an Ad for Denis O’Driscoll who was running for Córas na Poblachta in Tipperary.
From the 1954 General Election Matt Cullen of Young Ireland who was running in Meath
Then “Keep Britain British” -Vote No from the 1975 UK Referendum on withdrawal from the EEC
Then a 2002 Election Leaflet endorsement from Ryanair chief Michael O’Leary for Trinity Seanad candidate Sean Barrett
Finally from the 2009 Local Elections a leaflet for Socialist Party candidate Ruth Coppinger and her running mate Denis Keane.
Anyone notice the numbers in Dáil Éireann? And speaking about the Presidency… September 23, 2011
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It’s odd. I’d not realized until reading about the Fianna Fáil think-in last week that something very interesting happened in relation to the numbers in Dáil Éireann. There was Micheal Martin doing his best given the grim hand of cards he has been dealt. So there was the usual stuff about structural reform that parties indulge in when the troops are taken out of battle – ie put in opposition. This makes good sense. It’s a smaller party, at least in terms of representation, but he has to give them something to do now that government no longer occupies their time.
In his opening speech, Mr Martin mentioned proposed radical changes to the way the party operates that will be put before its Árd Fheis in February.
This means a change to a one-member one-vote, subscription fees and a possible ending of the 85 year cumann structure in Dublin.
“The basic principle is that we must empower our members,” he said.
Good stuff. Some though would wish that he’s thought about empowering the citizens of the state in the past by perhaps trying to call a halt on the economic decisions that underpinned the crisis.
Anyhow, consider his thoughts on opposition:
During the speech, he referred to the party offering a strong and “constructive” opposition, that would support the Government when it believed its strategy was correct.
He contrasted that with the opposition being provided by Sinn Féin and the Technical Group, both of which he said were taking the route of total opposition.
“They will oppose every measure which might be unpopular pretending that we live in a world where there is an easy answer to every problem.
“This approach lets the government off the hook because it ignores reality and lets policies through without proper scrutiny. “They may well get short-term hits in, but it the long-term it will lead them nowhere.”
Fascinating to see how Micheál Martin acknowledged his rivals, Sinn Féin and the Technical Group, at the Fianna Fáil think-in. It would once have been unthinkable that FF would give any political space at all to others in this way. Of course, the whole thing was in a sense unthinkable. Here was an FF leader having to talk from a position of opposition, and not simply of opposition, but an opposition where it was [barely] the largest component.
But here’s the thing.
Actually in nominal terms it no longer is the largest component now that Denis Naughten is the 20th Independent in the Dáil which makes the number of Independents 20 to Fianna Fáil’s 19.
Sure, Naughten hasn’t joined the Technical Group, and presumably never will – indeed there may be an issue as regards whether he could because if I recall correctly TDs retain officially their party affiliation, whether they go rogue or not, for the lifetime of an individual Dáil. So he exists in that curious limbo that Grealish, Healy-Rae and Lowry occupy.
But all of this is of more than simply academic interest. The controversy over the Norris nomination is very important, even if from the reports I’m hearing there’s no end of media and other boosting of it going on – and I say that as someone who wants him in the race. It’s an opportunity that the Independents – various – are using to boost their own profile. They too can read the polls and see that even now, even in the face of FG dominance (or perhaps because of), their poll ratings – undifferentiated and all as they are – are higher than they were at the election. And they want to take advantage of that in precisely the same way that SF has with their cleverly constructed run at the Presidency – publicity, profile building, and the chance, perhaps just a slim one, perhaps much more, that they’ll be seen to back a winner.
Yesterday I even heard a report of something approaching buyers remorse on the part of one who had publicly stated support for another candidate and was now wondering should they try to move back towards the Norris camp.
Everyone loves a winner.
So, 20 Independents and 19 Fianna Fáil TDs.
How times have changed.
And more than likely more to come.
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Meanwhile it pains me to point to John Waters latest missive wherein he has decided to brand those supporting Norris and McGuinness as representative of a ‘Monster Raving Loony factor’ and to put forward a thesis that somehow the Irish people were overwhelmingly ‘conservative’ until the events of recent years. Whereas now apparently:
The failures of recent years, however, have effected a sudden and massive change in the electorate. Now, most people are, if not outrightly left-wing, certainly increasingly disposed to radical, even anarchistic ideas. In some respects this is a backlash against the hubris and grandiosity now seen as having led us towards the abyss.
But it might be truer and simpler to observe that many Irish people have lately become politically reckless, perhaps even a little mad.
And:
Up until the past three years or so, while the centre of Irish politics held more or less as it had for the previous 80 years, Martin McGuinness would have been a peripheral candidate. Now he is likely to be the front- runner. This remarkable spectacle, together with the evidence of substantial and perhaps growing support for David Norris, reflects fundamental changes in the culture governing Irish politics.
And there’s more:
As recently as 20 years ago, Sinn Féin’s policy portfolio was a strange mixture of militarism, social conservatism and economic naivety. It wasn’t until after the ceasefires that Sinn Féin started to review its policy outlooks to the extent of becoming what it now is, a radical left-wing party under all headings, with policies that are mainly off-the-peg imports from other cultures.
This pattern tracks also something of the journey of a majority of Irish people, who now find themselves having far more in common with Sinn Féin than they ever dreamed possible.
And Waters allows his disdain at the prospects ahead to come through loud and clear:
The appeal of both candidates resides in their potential to enable voters make “anti-establishment” statements. Irish political culture is coming to be dominated by an up-until-recently undetectable Monster Raving Loony factor, whereby voters driven to the point of madness are seeking some way of expressing contempt for the political process and the higher offices of State. Electing either a gay candidate or a former terrorist would achieve these objectives with knobs on.
Imagine that… a gay candidate elected to the Presidency! How shocking. And a former terrorist – President of Ireland? Unthinkable! Unprecedented! That’s some insight into the horizon lines of the man, and his grasp of Irish history in the 20th century.
Anyhow he conveniently ignores the election of… er… Mary Robinson some twenty years ago. And the general success of that avowedly liberal and slightly leftist Presidency, to the degree that at the subsequent election all bar one of the candidates were presented in not dissimilar terms [albeit Dana being the standard bearer of the socially conservative right].
But to be honest it’s also remarkable because of how dismissive it is of the Irish electorate. As I’ve noted previously this week both McGuinness and Norris are – from a leftist perspective – fundamentally flawed, both embodying both radical and conservative impulses extant in this polity across decades [entertaining how Waters doesn't quite see the contradiction in his point and his then assertion that 'Sinn Féin will by then have fundamentally altered its colourings and meanings and arrived at the epicentre of Irish political life – in effect, the new Fianna Fáil'].
There’s nothing unreasonable, or loony, about the fact that Norris and McGuinness are ahead in polls – however dubious said polls. Neither of the candidates are intrinsically as radical as Waters suggests. And there’s nothing unreasonable about the electorate seeing it that way either.
What you want to say? Open Thread, 22nd September 2011 September 22, 2011
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Once more following on Dr. X’s suggestion, it’s all yours, “announcements, general discussion, whatever you choose”, feel free.
5 Years ago this month on the Cedar Lounge Revolution: Separatist, but equal? September 22, 2011
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Here’s a post by smiffy from five years which was sparked by the then 25th anniversary of the founding of the Greenham Common Peace camp and issues of exclusion, inclusion and seperatism. I’ve always been a bit of a fan of radical feminist philosopher Mary Daly, whose work, even if I felt wasn’t along lines I agreed with – and it wasn’t in many ways – was always refreshingly provocative [and not in a conservative way]. I mention her because she too instituted seperatist structures, something that initially I found off-putting, but on reflection made [and makes] more and more sense as time went on and for many of the reasons smiffy articulates in his piece.


