Labour’s blues.. redux… June 15, 2012
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Pat Leahy argues in the SBP that ‘Beleaguered Labour TDs may force leadership to act’
That this will raise a smile, or a scornful dismissal, on the part of many reading it says it all. And yet, and yet. Labour TDs don’t operate in a vacuum. They have constituents. They can read polls as well as the rest of us, though I heard a most interesting report that there was a belief amongst some of them that the referendum was lost to them a few days before the vote – and this was a perception generated by the interactions on the doors. That might point to two intertwined but distinct elements, firstly that Labour was given a particularly harsh time of it in that context, and secondly that their ability to read their own electorate has dissipated badly. Either is problematic, the two together are pure poison for a party seeking to reposition itself in advance of the next election. And remember, we’re rapidly moving towards a point three and a half years from that election. That’s a long time in some ways, as the last government will attest, but it’s also brief enough once one factors in various contests, such as the local elections and budgets (and note to those pushing for a new ‘radical’ right party, you’d want to get moving fast).
Leahy notes the point about the reception on the doors, and it would appear Mark P is not alone in offering a far from welcoming response to whatever unfortunate LP member rings the bell.
For TDs who went out and actively campaigned and canvassed – and there appears to have been a lot more of them than would be customary for a referendum – the experience was often a bruising one. War stories have been circulating quietly among TDs for some weeks now, detailing the rough time at the doors, the growing disaffection among party grassroots and supporters, and the deteriorating prospects for the party itself.
TDs of all parties set great store by simply meeting members of the public – and of their own constituency organisations – as a route to understanding and appreciating the public’s state of mind. TDs often say they can pick up trends a few days before they become evident in the polls.
Some of this is mumbo jumbo, but it is not without some truth, either. If a smart observer of the public – and all TDs are smart enough observers to have got elected in the first place – is listening, he’ll hear what the public is saying.
One TD said he had received 70 emails in a few days from people complaining that the party had lost its way.
Of course it’s easy to see how that sort of response might support a view that the NO vote was stronger than it was. But, there’s little comfort in that. If many then voted YES it was a grudging vote, and worse again it could very well be that for all the talk of the LP striking into new electoral ground in the middle classes their core vote which has supported them through thick and thin was solidly enough NO. Indeed Leahy notes instructively, that
The conventional wisdom, that Labour’s vote is predominantly working-class, is demonstrably false, and the view that it is more under pressure from Sinn Fйin is questionable.
Over a long period, Labour’s support has been more or less equally divided between middle and working-class voters. For the last four months, according to the data from the Red C polls, Labour’s support among working-class voters has been 14 per cent (February), 12 per cent (March), 14 per cent (April) and 14 per cent (May).
It is actually the middle-class support for the party that has varied, falling from 18 per cent to 14 per cent.
Leahy argues that the SF threat is overblown to the LP, which seems reasonable enough. SF is mining elsewhere, but on the other hand it’s also mining votes more or less everywhere, so a strong SF may well find meat in what’s remaining of the LP vote.
But if the middle class vote that swung the LP way is now fading it surely isn’t going to FG because that too has been largely falling across the same period, which suggests that this may be a radical[ish] middle class vote unhappy with austerity.
In which case they have a dual problem of pulling those who were willing to vote against them back and trying to persuade them of the validity of the other policy stances they’re taking. But as Leahy notes, that’s a big ask.
The party’s supporters and activists have no such buffer against reality. They see the results of austerity policies on the ground, they are taunted and haunted by the phrase ‘Labour’s way or Frankfurt’s way’ and they wonder if the party leadership realises how much people are hurting, as they see it.
And he suggests a structural disconnect between ‘ministers and grassroots’ – and perhaps Ministers and other members of the PLP. This may well be overstated, but it’s hardly unlikely that it operates on some level at least. I’ve noted that there is a generational divide inside the LP with a tranche of those at higher levels unlikely to return to the Dáil next time out. That’s fine for them, but for the rest, including many of the 2011 intake, it’s not the cheeriest of prospects. And they, the latter, may not be quite as sanguine about the prospect of history books talking of their calmness and willingness to do the ‘right thing in the national interest’, though I wouldn’t put good money on that particular chapter being written like that anyhow.
And as if to add to the gloom Leahy writes;
The party is part of an increasingly unpopular government and its poll numbers are under pressure. Its basic political strategy is to stick with the troika programme in anticipation of an economic upturn, and then to reap the political benefits when that upturn comes.
“We need the economy to start to kick on,” said one senior party source. “We need to be able to say credibly that things are getting better.” The core belief of the leadership – though they don’t say it publicly – is that, if there is an economic recovery, the present government will be re-elected.
Though as Leahy notes, that’s a strategy based on hope. And in light of the next tough budget one that would seem to be overly optimistic. He suggests that we’ll see a more ‘assertive’ LP in government, but in an overwhelmingly dominant FG led government how that works is anyone’s guess.

‘Beleaguered Labour TDs may force leadership to act.’
I don’t know, would it not be more interesting if they forced them to dance, or to sing or even play the piano.
As I have said before, there is a split looming in Labour, if there is not one there already. The ” leadership ” V the membership. How soon it will manifest itself remains to be seen, how big a split also remains to be seen. But a split there is/will be.
Howlin’s quick riposte to Varadkar’s call for compulsory redundancies in Croke Park 2 might be a straw in the wind. A lot of people in the public service voted Labour because they thought they’d defend Croke Park (crap as it is, but that’s another day’s work). If a successor to Croke Park is along Varadkar’s lines (the troika made us do it!) and Labour swallows that, they’ll lose a generation of voters like they did twenty years ago by going into coalition with FF.
You don`t think that they have lost them already?
Exactly what we were saying last week about re, SF threat being overblown, the leadership and the contrasting reactions to FG on the doorstep.
Goldhawk this week has a few good bits from a PLP meeting with Alex White talking about poor communications and the party having no strategy to deal with the ‘misconceptions rapidly becoming ingrained in the public mind’.
It might have been here there was another remark from a Labour TD saying that the government is failing to convey the seriousness of the situation. Shades of Cowen here again implying it’s perception of the situation rather then how (fairly?) it is being dealt with that doing the damage.
How do they square the public not being all too aware of the seriousness with the hand wringing over confidence and the interests who think there is too much negativity on the radio I wonder?
In the phoenix too Eric Byrne reckons two ‘cancerous’ (and unnamed) TDs are undermining the party!
Seems like big charge if aimed within the party but must surely be the leadership rather then the two without the whip if it is.
On the disconnect between ‘ministers and grassroots’ and more lessons from FF/Greens. Probably worth a post itself but the Examiner had Keaveney during the week getting a dig at FG but also saying in the event of second bailout they will have to go back and get the nod from the membership
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/labour-could-quit-over-vote-on-new-bailout-197366.html
There was a motion (referred back to central council….) in Galway this year calling special conference in May 2013 to review their time in government and decide to be in or out.
http://www.labour.ie/conference/motions/detail/13334467864474539/
We probably have good idea what way such a vote would go in the end but there was an interesting comment at the end of the examiner piece with one deputy saying the conference “would reconnect the member with the Cabinet member.”
One other note, yesterday at the National Women’s Council AGM the only motion spoken against was the NWCI’s continued support of the 7 is too young campaign for lone parent families. Labour Women being the culprits and the only ones to vote against.
That as far as I can see is nothing to do Sinn Féin…
I think you get to the heart of the matter, WbS, when you discuss the “disconnect” in terms of the personal interests of TDs.
I’m not at all surprised that there’s some grumbling on the back benches and I fully expect there to be much more as things get worse and worse for this government. But this isn’t about principled social democrats getting upset about their deeply held soft left convictions being trampled all over. Nobody who voted for the Programme for Government has even the softest left conviction to besmirch. It will be about political survival.
Now, political survival is a powerful motivation, and it’s a motivation which is traditionally given a fig leaf of principle. No Fianna Failer, for instance, jumped ship without tying it to a local hospital or some other unpopular decision, and I don’t think that Labour “rebels” will be much stupider on that score. And at least some of them will likely prove to be brighter than, the Greens, who marched in lock step towards their own obliteration. Which, incidentally reminds me of Dr X’s description of the Greens as the “stupid, frivolous party for stupid, frivolous people”, which was unkind but had the ring of truth.
Mark, nice to see you back on form and ascribing base motivations to Dail politicians after that brief interlude earlier this week
Who have I failed to ascribe a base motivation to LATC? I wouldn’t want you to think I’m going soft in my old age.
Well, the moderation of your tone over the past eight days has been something to behold.
What moderate tone? I suspect that the two of you are letting your imaginations get the better of you here.
No no, no reason to explain. I’m sure you had to bite your lip more than once, and I know that you fell off the wagon that day you were pouring vitriol on those hapless CPGB types and their book ( a crew who’ve inflicted absolutely zero damage on you personally or the project which you hold dear) . But bar that it’s been enormously impressive.
And of course LATC overspeaks – though understandably – it doesn’t have to be about base motivations. Stupidity, short-sightedness and not aligning with your own strand of M-L is all grist to your mill which makes it doubly surprising how well you’ve managed.
Apologies for ducking out of the conversation the other evening but the football was on.
Football is good. Except when it’s bad!
WbS, while that response was both smug and suitably patronising, it was unfortunately lacking in your customary long-windedness and carried rather too much of the non-sequitur about it. Are you feeling a bit peaky today?
Ah, resort to insult. Brilliant. And so swiftly.
But don’t worry. I won’t hold it against you, I know the pressure you’ve been under.
WbS, I think you’ll find that the first insulting comment was your own. You won’t have to read back very far to confirm that you, not me, injected an aggressively adversarial note into this conversation.
I’m more than willing to have an exchange on that level, if you desire, but it seems rather out of character for someone of your sensibilities.
The educative thing about all this is how clear it is that you’re absolutely excellent at dishing out the baroque rhetoric at all and sundry (when you feel the urge or when it accords with the line) but you’re absolutely shite at taking even the mildest and most good-humoured pointing up the contradictions implicit in your own behaviours on this very site over the last week.
And by the by, I’ve made no ‘insulting’ comment to you whatsoever… utter projection on your part.
“absolutely shite at taking even the mildest and most good-humoured pointing up the contradictions implicit in your own behaviours “
That’s it, take the slagging Mark, not everything in this world is a battle for ideological supremacy.
Perhaps there is an issue here of tone being lost in internet communication. There was, as far as I can see, nothing remotely mild or good natured about the comment I was responding to. It may be that you intended it as that, but I don’t think that anyone would be likely to receive it as anything other than smug and aggressive. So I felt no compunction about responding with an equally insulting tone.
I’ve looked back through what I’ve written and the only way I can understand that you might take me up wrong or as insulting you is if you entirely misinterpreted the following:
“Stupidity, short-sightedness and not aligning with your own strand of M-L is all grist to your mill which makes it doubly surprising how well you’ve managed.”
If I’m correct you really should read it again.
WbS, the entire comment is a snide dig at my posting style, so I responded with a snide dig at yours. Perhaps you intended your snideness to come across as gentle ribbing, if so, your intent was lost along the way. I’m not complaining about that. I’m just explaining why I found your sudden resort to “you are being insulting” a little strange.
if you mistake or misunderstand the humorous use of irony for insult (or worse again for an adversarial or aggressive note) then there’s nothing more I feel I can offer this exchange.
Your reasoning may be faulty, but I can at least agree with the conclusion you reach.
The Labour Party should not be dismissed too soon; like Mitt Romney many Labour Party TDs have good hair.
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