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Ireland Outside the Euro – Public Meeting July 6, 2012

Posted by WorldbyStorm in Irish Politics, The Left, Uncategorized.
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This looks good with an excellent line up of speakers.

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1. Owen - July 6, 2012

THE INTERNATIONALE (in Russian)

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Garibaldy - July 6, 2012

This warmed the cockles of my heart. Thanks a lot for it Owen.

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Owen - July 6, 2012

Your most welcome. The meeting being advertised will be broken up. Will you Red scum stand your ground?

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RosencrantzisDead - July 6, 2012

You are going to show up and confront a room full of people who could ship you off to the Gulag?

This, sir, would seem to be a bit foolish.

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WorldbyStorm - July 6, 2012

:)

2. Owen - July 6, 2012

Hardly an excellent meeting when it’s organised by Communists. It might be necessary to ‘disrupt’ this meeting

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Blissett - July 7, 2012

What precisely is the purpose of those apostrophes?

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3. WorldbyStorm - July 6, 2012

Ah, more trolling I see. Quite a preponderance of them I see at the moment. Any more of this and the necessary will be done in terms of blocking IP addresses.

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RosencrantzisDead - July 6, 2012

Schools are shut and it is raining outside. It is foreseeable.

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4. Mark P - July 6, 2012

Is this the same clown who was here a few months ago who had some third positionist blog? I think I prefer this troll to Bartley, mind you. His posts are shorter and less frequent.

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RosencrantzisDead - July 6, 2012

What is ‘third positionist’ or ‘third positionism’? I’ve never heard of it.

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Mark P - July 6, 2012

A slightly more intellectually inclined variant of fascism, although you have to take into account the low standards that implies. The basic idea is that “revolutionary nationalism” is “beyond left and right” and “beyond communism and capitalism”.

The most prominent exponents these days are probably Forza Nuova in Italy. Back during the 1980s collapse of the British National Front, third positionist ideas were a big influence on the “Political Soldier” faction of Harrington, Griffin, Holland, etc.

Third Positionists tend to borrow from Catholic social teaching and also scavenge from crackpot economic theories like Distributism. The sort of stuff you might expect someone looking for a bit of intellectual rigour for their fascism to look towards.

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WorldbyStorm - July 6, 2012

Yeah, I think you’re right, it’s that individual. Mind you, him and Bartley both seem to be unable to distinguish between the rhetorical and the actual (as with his inabilty to see the difference between challenging and disrupting).

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RosencrantzisDead - July 6, 2012

Thanks for that, Mark.

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que - July 6, 2012

I think third positionism is also called Strasserism?

WorldbyStorm - July 6, 2012

Am i wrong in thinking that Strasserism has informed it in the past but that in the contemporary period they aren’t quite as keen on it or interested in it. The Strasser brothers are actually very interesting in a curious sort of a way. One wonders at the cognitive dissonance they experienced as they kept trying to bend class into anti-semitic nation and back again.

RosencrantzisDead - July 6, 2012

Catholic Social Teaching certainly informed a lot of institutions here. Credit unions were certainly supported by the church during the 40s/50s (they may still be on the board of the league). The Ballymun Co-op was not run by the church and was subject to a clergy-directed boycott because of links with leftist groups. I am pretty sure they were also supportive of the milk and beef co-ops (now demutualised and a major private enterprise).

CL - July 7, 2012

‘Support fell away from Barrett following the exposure of his and his supporters’ links to European neo-fascist groups connected to Roberto Fiore’s International Third Position by Searchlight and the Sunday Mirror in September 2002 during the second Nice referendum campaign. At this vote the Irish people voted in favour of the treaty. Barrett and another Youth Defence founder, Niamh Nic Mhathuna, had attended conferences of Fiore’s neo-fascist Forza Nuova in Italy’
http://www.stichtingargus.nl/vrijmetselarij/aoh_sl.html

Mark P - July 7, 2012

In fairness, taking an interest in CST doesn’t make you a fascist. Fascism has often drawn from CST, as both are heavily corporatist and CST is both more “respectable” and generally more intellectually sophisticated, but we shouldn’t conflate the two. Similarly, distributism draws from the CST well and is itself drawn on by some fascists, but it isn’t identical to either.

Strasserism is also related and has been an influence on third positionism, but third positionism generally draws more from Italian rather than German fascism.

que - July 7, 2012

Mark,
useful info. Is there a belief in the third positionists that drawing from Italian Fascism is more “respectable” or do they actually reject German fascism on ideological grounds

Mark P - July 7, 2012

I think it’s straightforwardly a result of third positionism coming out of the Italian far right rather than the German one. Plus, there’s more material to work with in terms of CST and corporatism in the Italian experience than in the German.

WorldbyStorm - July 7, 2012

True, though I think there’s something in what que asks. A sense that the anti-semitic aspects of fascism overall were more muted in the Italian experience which obviously would be attractive to anyone trying to refashion it. But God knows I look at Patrick Harrington Troy Southgate et al who were involved in third positionist promotion and I swear I can’t see a functional difference.

5. Owen - July 6, 2012

I wasn’t trolling. Why do you object to the Communist anthem? You are publicising an event organised by the Communist party on a communist blog. Garibaldy is delighted with it. It’s remarkable I’m accused of trolling yet you seem to support an ideology of terror.Enjoy your communist fantasy.

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6. Owen - July 6, 2012

My point about disrupting the meeting is why should Reds not be challenged? You oppose private property and would send people to the gulags?

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WorldbyStorm - July 6, 2012

Reasoned critique (and I stress ‘reasoned’ and ‘critique’ fine. Talking about disrupting not fine. As for your use of ‘you’ in relation to the CLR there’s all shades of leftism on here from Marxists to non-Marxist leftists. That’s a not insignificant distinction. And the idea anyone here would send people to the gulags (or indeed be against all personal property) is asinine.

But hey why do I bother?

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fergal - July 6, 2012

Can Owen tell the difference between between exploitative private property and non-exploitative private property?

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WorldbyStorm - July 6, 2012

I’m betting no.

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CMK - July 6, 2012

Still, ‘Owen’ has provided some entertainment. It’s rare these days to meet someone mentally trapped in the 1930s with all this bluffing about ‘Reds’, ‘communists’ and talk of disrupting meetings.

LeftAtTheCross - July 6, 2012

Speaking of disrupting Communists and the 1930′s:

CMK - July 7, 2012

Interesting vid there, thanks for that LATC.

LeftAtTheCross - July 6, 2012

I don’t know WbS, there are times, there are times…

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Owen - July 6, 2012

That Donal looks very like a man who was shouting at young children and women at a peaceful pro-life rally in Dublin last year.

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LeftAtTheCross - July 6, 2012

Good for him if so. If I lived in Dublin I’d be doing the same myself. Mind you, plenty of pro-life bigots out here in Meath too.

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que - July 7, 2012

excellent video. came across this as well and it seems like a good tour.

http://www.historicalinsights.ie/guides.html

7. Owen - July 6, 2012

Shouting abuse at women and children.Disgraceful.

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Well Well - July 6, 2012

Fair dues, love that video – seems that a number of the LookLeft collective were present standing by there convictions and against Papal rule – End Rome Rule Now!

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Mark P - July 6, 2012

Yes, nice work to all those demonstrating for a woman’s right to choose and standing up to the bigots.

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8. que - July 7, 2012

Interesting to see the large number of what I am guessing are filipino people in the crowd. Globalisation strengthens both sides in that debate

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