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Sinn Féin and Irish politics, North and South… August 1, 2012

Posted by WorldbyStorm in Culture, Economy, European Politics, Irish Politics, Northern Ireland, Sinn Féin, The Left.
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Tom McGurk had some interesting points to play around with recently. In a column on how ‘SF will be sharply tested by a period of transition’ he makes some very thoughtful points, and a few that I’d take issue with. The latter can be dealt with immediately.

Of course is worth contextualising his ideas in reference to the Quinn issue and the way that has developed in the last week or so which points up problematical issues for SF in how it campaigns North and South and on an all island basis.

Anyhow McGurk argues that:

Sinn Féin is now facing perhaps the most difficult transition yet of the many it has faced: how to turn a party of radical protest into one of a realistic political alternative.

Problem is – for SF – that the orthodoxy is already splitting at the seams in terms of parties who have cleaved to it. Whether it is Labour, Fianna Fáil or Fine Gael, that side of the political spectrum is well provided for. And far too much in this contemporary period ‘realistic political alternative’ is short hand for aligning with orthodoxy, as those of us who read Stephen Collins will know (although I suspect that more or less whatever SF does would be insufficient for him).
On a slight diversion, per se I find nothing wrong with SF seeking state power. To be honest I expect parties that want to reshape this or any polity to want that, and in advanced (!) democracies electoral contests are the only way to achieve it. That said not at any cost, and here of course we enter into a different discussion.
Anyhow McGurk does not appear antagonistic to the idea of an apology from the IRA or SF.
But of the interesting thoughts he has consider the following:

The party seems to be politically untouchable in the North for the next generation at least. Don’t say it too loudly, but the peace process is rapidly producing a very different North. For the first time in my memory, there’s even a genuine public culture of tolerance for difference.

Is this absolutely true about it being politically untouchable? Of course defining a generation is a tricky thing. And I guess it is possible to say that SF may have fair weather for a decade or so. But the sclerotic nature of both the dispensation extant in the North and the broader political environment balanced between competing nationalisms makes me wonder whether now that the old power blocs have been broken, with both UUP and SDLP in precipitous decline, whether the churn we have seen in the South in party politics might not be experienced sooner rather than later. Of course the SDLP hasn’t at certain levels fallen as far proportionately as FF.

Not surprisingly, then, given the dimensions of its political achievement in the North, Sinn Féin’s political antennae have been turned southwards like never before.

There’s little doubt that SF sees the context as being all-island. How that is practicable in daily application remains to be be seen.

At the outset, there were significant signals of the new emphasis, with the decision of Gerry Adams to decamp politically to the south and by the Martin McGuinness presidential election campaign. I sense that the experience of that campaign taught Sinn Féin how much work is still required here.

That I think is a good point. I think there was considerable surprise amongst at least some in SF that the venom directed against them was so pointed. That’s a bit curious given that the southern media was never shy about making that plain. But perhaps beyond that there was a sense that they remained/remain a small enough force in Southern politics. On the other hand I think it’s also important to see the McGuinness candidacy as in and of itself ameliorating that perception to at least some degree. The simple fact that he got through that campaign, and came in third – albeit on a low enough poll rating – was an achievement in itself. And altered the perception of SF more widely. Look at the poll numbers. A jump of in or around four per cent from their election tally for the Presidential contest, and now consistent polling 3 or more percentage points ahead of that subsequently. So the Presidential campaign wasn’t simply a learning experience for SF but was also an important lever in changing perceptions and growing their vote.

The handshake with Queen Elizabeth II, followed by McGuinness’s RTE television performance last Saturday night, points to the growing importance of the southern project.

Hard to know. I still think it has as much if not more to do with the North. That’s where it’s more direct result will be felt, not in a mass rush of Unionists to apostasy, anything but, but instead a sense that SF is taking that engagement seriously and in a way which Republicanism hasn’t hitherto.

And it has also been lucky with the handshake of history. Who could have imagined a political landscape more ideal for the party than the one created by the economic crisis and the subsequent electoral disaster that has hit Fianna Fáil? How extraordinary that, no sooner had Sinn Féin become part of the recreation of one failed Irish state, than the other one failed too.

This is a most interesting point, and well worth thinking about. The effects of the Good Friday/Belfast Agreement has been considerable, and its effects on the North most particularly so. But what of its effects on the South? In parking, to some degree, elements of the nationalist project – at least in regard to FFs dominance of that particular strand – it removed a crucial aspect of the FF identity. The economic collapse has done similar damage to FF, albeit much more pointedly. Was the FF collapse inevitable? Well, perhaps not, although it is true that they vote share had been declining steadily, if relatively unspectacularly, during that period.
But McGurk is surely right that the ‘gaping hole at the traditional centre of Irish politics’ in the wake of the fall of FF is an enormous opportunity for SF. Thing is does that mean that SF should shift to the centre to do so, or is that even achievable. McGurk appears to hint at that idea…

Central to achieving this will be how it deals with the credibility and competence of its economic policy and management. Soon, it will also have to learn that – unlike the North, where political structures require its participation – down south, it’s a complex Irish political maze called coalition. But with whom?
For example, would it require a Fianna Fáil party heave for Éamon Ó Cuiv’s prediction to come true after he became the first to say the previously unsayable about the idea of a Fianna Fáil/Sinn Féin coalition?

But would such a coalition be viable, and what would FF gain from it? Particularly an FF that was – say – five or six TDs behind SF? I’m reminded of the competition between DL and the LP in the 1990s. The parties were actually quite distinct, but once in government there were those who argued that that distinctiveness was insufficient for them to maintain separate identities. Of course, as we know, DL carried on for some years after that, but the point wasn’t entirely without relevance. DL was unable, or unwilling, to carve out a clear left of Labour identity and so the logic (not one, by the way I agree with entirely) of a merger was strong. And a larger, more centrist SF would, at least from FFs perception, and in all likelihood too, be pulling votes from FF.

But it may be that that is moot. That the FF we now have, which appears fairly well centre right, albeit with some populist rhetoric once in a while (so no change there), is the one we will always have. And in that case why would SF find them a congenial partner.

What then of Labour? They’re arguably even more antagonistic to SF. And with good reason too. To be honest I can only see significant electoral defeat on a scale to pull the LP down into the teens or lower in terms of seat numbers allowing them to work with SF.
For the moment then expect SF to ignore, and not mention, such hypotheticals. They’ll want to grow their vote as best they can.

And McGurk has two other points well worth airing.

Since the beginning of the Troubles, there has been a pervasive sense in the south that the crisis ‘up there’ instinctively threatened stability down here. Huge sections of southern opinion, therefore, find it difficult to accept Sinn Féin as a natural and authentic part of the southern political spectrum. Crossing that cultural and political divide is what will ultimately test the Sinn Féin political project.

I’d argue that that attitude of ‘up there’ predates the Troubles and by quite some length of time. And it will hobble the SF project. But, as the SF project becomes more and more normalised by exposure to it through the Dáil etc that will dissipate to some extent.

Ironically, too, despite Sinn Féin’s political growth, its principal project – Irish re-unification – is not enjoying a similar revival. Recent polls in the North suggest that fewer nationalists are interested and, south of the border, there is even less enthusiasm. Could it be that Sinn Féin might finally cross its long-awaited finishing line, only to find it had dropped the baton en route?

This is crucial too. It is a little like the situation in Scotland where the SNP is trusted to run government/administration but its core political project is if not quite ignored, regarded as less important to voters. Of course realistically we know that the work of unity will take generations and consist of many steps. The prospect of that is one SF had best prepare, if it isn’t already, its people for. And many more beyond its immediate membership and supporters.

But as Quinn demonstrates, before we get close to the fulfillment of that goal the nature of political activity will throw up contradictions between principle, rhetoric and electoral progress in unforeseen ways. Best prepare for that too.

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1. Roasted Snow - August 1, 2012

Re; SF in the North; the more I think about the likes of O’Dowd, Gildernew and Murphy the more I feel FF Nua has hit the North! Talk of British Labour and the SDLP looking at setting up a Labour party in the North with a neutral position on the NQ, but obviously respecting the GFA etc..bringing in the likes of Dawn Purvis as well. Interesting one to watch.

2. shea - August 1, 2012

People seem to think the ‘centre’ is a fixed position. europe is in an economic chrisis. the pendulim is going to swing from left to right a few times. when this settles down the centre ground might be a few degrees to the left or the right of where we are now. figureing out where that will be at this point is guess work and may turn out to be counter to the real politic mcgurk is aiming for. surely better to aim to gravitate the new centre to you than to guess where the new one will be.

was there any mention of pattersons speach in dublin a few weeks back. would have thaught the sos saying he’s going to introduce a white paper through westminster on the how stormount should work may have some bareing on SF’s untouchable status in the north.

3. http://www.organizedrage.com/ - August 1, 2012

Interesting comments WBS, a couple of points, I don’t feel McGuinness has much chance of moving beyond the north, he has mainly laid that grubby bed and it is his fate to lie in it, sectarian head count that it is, until that is it stinks to high heaven as it ultimately will without democratic renewal and the British are not having that.

Besides, Gerry has a long history of dumping bestie mates when they have out lasted their usefulness to the ’cause,’ Bell, Hughes, S.T, Morrison in a different way, were all put to one side. Although Adams move south, was motivated not only by the need for the party to redirecting its activities down there, but also because the RUC left overs seemed to have a get Adams on the go.

SF has one advantage over all Left groups in the south, including Labour who cannot see beyond a coalition with reaction, They genuinely believe that they can do a better job of governing the south than the mainstream parties and have the confidence to give it a go.

Whereas all the rest “cannot even envision gaining power,” (As Che pointed out to the leadership of the pre Castro Cuban CP) and that is a major shortcoming in any political party/group touting for votes as the electorate senses it, seeing these groups as a protest vote at best, not an alternative government

Myself I feel their next step for SF should be to target the LP, positioning themselves as a left reformist party also reflects SF membership in the 26, unless I am mistaken?

4. Dr. X - August 1, 2012

Sooner or later there’ll be a government in the south (why do we never call it the “leinster house regime” by the way?) which will include Sinn Fein.

What sort of relationship would that government have with the Guards and the army? I can’t see either of those pillars of the Free State being altogether happy about that one.

Roasted Snow - August 1, 2012

Well the PSNI, British Government, Monarchy and DUP seem to get on with them. I’m sure the oul guards wouldn’t have a problem

Roasted Snow - August 1, 2012

I suppose I don’t quite get where the contention would be. The military wing has gone away you know. SF in the South is a republican labour party which is fully engaged in the democratic process. In the North it is FF Nua and similarly engaged in constitutional politics. State power is within their grasp soon in the South, but I don’t think you’ll see much change when they get it.

shea - August 1, 2012

your probably right but at the same time some people give the impression that they tell there kids to eat there veg or the provo’s will get them. they occupy the the position of boogy man in some peoples minds thats still about a decade and a half after the windown. if the reason for that was the history of violence, that SF support are mostly among the lower eonomic classes, that there objetive of a UI will tilt the status que, who knows. but SF seem to be prepared to do anything to put their opponents at ease so your probaly right. what ever hurdle there is (if any) will more than likly be cleared.

Mark P - August 1, 2012

The Gardai and the Army had to put up with Fianna Fail coming to power in the 30s, with the “history of violence”, “support mostly among the lower economic classes” and their “objective of a UI”.

It will be easier for them the second time around.

Mark P - August 1, 2012

Actually, third time around. I’d forgotten about CnaP.

Garibaldy - August 1, 2012

I may as well say it before anybody else. Fourth time round.

Mark P - August 1, 2012

I don’t think your lot ever reached the dizzying heights of state power, Garibaldy. The closest they got was propping up Fianna Fail from the outside.

Garibaldy - August 1, 2012

You have heard of DL I take it (although obviously the UI issue is very dodgy in their case)?

Garibaldy - August 1, 2012

And just out of curiosity, what would you call being members of a party – and therefore calling for votes for a party – that was in power on several occasions?

Never mind of course being part of a single government party in the UK.

Mark P - August 1, 2012

DL did not have a United Ireland agenda. Militant were never in power. And in any case neither shared the broad populism of FF, CnaP and SF.

This will be their third time around. Presumably it gets easier for them on each occasion as it gets clearer that the newcomers pose no threat to business as usual.

Garibaldy - August 1, 2012

I see. When other parties or individuals do a deal not to bring a government down in return for certain measures, then they are verging on being in power, but when MIlitant members are actually in the party in power, are helping to make that parties policies, and telling people to vote for it at the election before the government is formed, then they bear no responsibility for that whatsoever, and are politically superior, and thus able to criticise people who stood against the government party at the election from a left perspective. Glad we’ve got that cleared up.

shea - August 1, 2012

relax lads its all bollox any way. if a government actually tried to clean things up we’d be invaded before last orders in the dail bar.

CMK - August 1, 2012

Shea, well put!

Mark P - August 2, 2012

Garibaldy, are you having some sort of episode here?

I never said that the Workers Party were in power, or that they were verging on it. Just that the closest they got was propping up Fianna Fail. That’s hardly a controversial statement, is it?

As for Militant being in power, it’s completely irrelevant to any aspect of this discussion. But I’d suggest that a definition of “in power” which includes an entryist group with no Ministers or even members of parliament, and which is in complete opposition to the leadership of the party concerned, probably isn’t very useful.

Garibaldy - August 2, 2012

Actually Mark if you’re going to complain about what people were doing in the 80s, then what Militant was doing at the same time is exactly relevant. Especially when it was telling people to vote for the Labour Party, a member of a coalition government. And as I said, there’s the issue of the UK in the 1970s too.

Interesting though that you are downplaying Militant’s position in the 1980s Labour Party. I’ve heard a lot about how influential it was here over the years.

I’m happy to leave this here though.

Mark P - August 2, 2012

I didn’t complain about the Workers Party behaviour in the 80s. I said that the closest they came to being in government was propping up a Fianna Fail government from the outside. That’s not a complaint, it’s a straightforward statement of fact. And it was relevant to the post I was responding to, in that it distinguishes the WP from FF and CnaP, who have actually been in power.

As for your diversion about Militant, Militant never had a single TD, let alone a Minister. It made up a small but significant chunk of the Labour activist base at its peak, but it had an entirely oppositional relationship to the party leadership and opposed the party going into government. In Britain, Labour was in opposition throughout the years when Militant was in its strongest position.

What your bizarre comments amount to is “how dare you mention that the WP propped up a FF government in the Dail, don’t you know that Militant used to be an entryist group in Labour?”. It’s a non-sequitur.

Garibaldy - August 2, 2012

Actually Mark, as I said the first time, it was a question asked out of curiosity as the issue at hand brought it to mind again. I’ve seen discussions here before between you and WBS about the 1980s and the question hovered there and was never asked. So I thought I’d ask it.

5. shea - August 1, 2012

so 5th time then?

fair enough the elite arn’t scared of the idea of a ui. was just trowing it out there. there was a bit of hosility to FF before they took power and some old FFers would suggest after as well. would the same be comparable with the other groups?

6. Michael Carley - August 2, 2012

@Garibaldy @Mark P slight tangent, but so what:

Having a chat with someone quite senior in Labour a couple of years ago, on the merits of Joe Higgins, it was put to me that it was a bit strange of Militant to denounce Labour for years and then put up a fight against leaving it. That seems a fair point. I think, based on talking to people who were involved in Militant, that the SP is a much better organization for being independent of Labour, and that there was quite a bit of self delusion about just how strong it really was in the Labour Party.

Interest declared: I am a member of the SP and was one in Dublin before I moved to England, though I have never been a member of Labour or Militant.

Garibaldy - August 2, 2012

I think there’s a lot in what you’re saying there Michael.

Jolly Red Giant - August 2, 2012

In all honesty G, do you really want us to go through a re-hash of previous discussions about the entrisim tactic of the Militant and the reasons for it and a comparison with the WP’s support for Haughey’s government.

I don’t mind doing it but it has been done to death on more than one occasion.

Garibaldy - August 2, 2012

Nope. As you’ll notice, I said last night I was happy to leave things.

7. machholz - August 2, 2012

Reblogged this on Machholz's Blog and commented:
I’ve just read this excellent article on the course opened to Sinn Fein in Irish politics. However I would not agree that Sinn Fein should or would now turn into a copy of what we already have in the established political party’s .These “Parties have in my opinion lost their way and have turned into self serving institutions for selfish, corrupt, and self-serving individuals, who are only too eager to dump any promises to the people as long as they themselves are “looked after” with pensions, perks and whatever your having yourself! .No I do not hope Sinn Fein will strive or seek to be like these “assimilated” toxic corrupt gangster parties who have been running our country as if it was their private fiefdom. Hopefully Sinn Fein will have the intelligence not to look to the established corrupt political system for inspiration. My advice to them would be to listen to the people and serve the people.


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