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TINA – Irish politics style August 16, 2012

Posted by WorldbyStorm in Economy, Irish Politics, The Left, Uncategorized.
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I know I’m often parsing Pat Leahy’s analyses in the SBP and sometimes critically. But in a recent piece he had some thoughts that I think were absolutely spot on as regards the now oft-voiced assertion that ‘there’s no other way’ as most recently stated by Pat Rabbitte in respect of an alternative to Fine Gael/Labour in Leinster House.

But Leahy notes that this line may be important to LP TDs in particular, stuck in what they might like to think of as a ‘national government’ implementing policies they don’t particularly like but which they feel are inevitable. If there is no alternative then, so the thinking goes, better them than a.n.others of whatever stripe.

And Leahy makes an excellent point here. The LP had something of a rude awakening during the last referendum when they discovered ‘it wasn’t just the salaries of government special advisers that the doorsteps were complaining about as some later claimed’. No indeed. It was the entirety of the LP’s participation in government. So again, the ’national interest’ line is no harm at all in stiffening sinews.

But he further adds that there’s no particular love lost between many backbenchers and FG and some would have a closer kinship (albeit unstated and sometimes unconscious) with FF. It’s often easy to reduce politics simply down to policy and on that axis LP, FF and FG are appallingly close to each other. But such an approach while useful is methodologically blunt at explaining a broad range of political events and behaviours.

And in terms of approaching collisions the abortion issue is of greater significance than might have been expected in terms of the relationship between FG and the LP. That is if collision there is and it’s not kicked into touch for another generation. My money is on the latter but there more than likely will be some collateral damage either way.

Anyhow, Leahy continues that some issues if not quite resolving themselves are removing themselves from the table. He points, for example, at the troika programme and the payment of bondholders where near enough 80 per cent of the monies have now been paid over. He also rather optimistically argues that the pogramme won’t be there forever. Well, we’ll see. But his broader point makes sense. The environment today won’t be the same in every aspect as the one in three years.

But far from this being good for the LP in particular it might be anything but. He suggests that…

The belief at the top of Labour – and the grounding analyse of its entire political strategy – is that when the economy improves in the second half of this government the political dividend will ensure the re-election of this government.

That raises so many questions I could probably write an individual post on each one. But let’s note the most obvious issues. Firstly that ‘when’ as regards the economy should be changed to ‘if’. Secondly there’s the question as to whether there will be a political dividend? And thirdly if any such dividend exists will it be sufficient to power the LP to re-election?

Each seems highly questionable. Even the most recent instance of a government with LP participation, that of the Rainbow Coalition from the mid-1990s, doesn’t auger well for the party. There despite a range of solid if somewhat uninspiring political achievements (the very sort of thing that the LP yet again seems to be trying to get albeit and tellingly not in the economic sphere) the party lost support (and from their perspective more importantly seats).

To which Leahy would say, ‘well, they know that’ and what they want is ‘definition’. And he notes the noises made about same-sex marriage as being part of that. Without decrying the individual issue I’m not sure that that is sufficient, any more than the introduction of ‘free’ third level education was in the mid 1990s. And it’s hard to think of big ticket items that would sufficiently distinguish the LP from FG (though I’d be interested to hear of any that people think would be game changers).

But Leahy makes an excellent point close to the end of his piece.

It’s not so much that there’s no alternative, it’s that Labour has made it’s choice and must stick with it. In democratic politics there’s always an alternative. In fact there’s always a queue of them.

And that’s true, and were an election held tomorrow one can easily imagine some potential alternatives to the current administration that might arise out of them. And one suspects that Rabbitte, for all the baiting of SF and the Technical Group is well aware of that fact.

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1. Bartley - August 16, 2012

To which Leahy would say, ‘well, they know that’ and what they want is ‘definition’. And he notes the noises made about same-sex marriage as being part of that. Without decrying the individual issue I’m not sure that that is sufficient, any more than the introduction of ‘free’ third level education was in the mid 1990s.

Absolutely agree, the prior existence of civil partnership relegates gay marriage to pretty much a cosmetic distinction. Sure, have at it! But its not a game-changer, and simply nowhere near ‘the civil rights issue of a generation’, as Gimore tried to play it. That ship has already sailed, and galling as it may be, it had Dermot Ahern at the helm.

A far more pressing marriage equality issue for Labour to tackle would be the incentives built into the welfare code to avoid stable partnership arrangements, with all the consequent disadvantages suffered by the children.

2. Tawdy - August 16, 2012

I expect nothing from the Labour Party over the next couple of years except that they will try to justify their participation in this government and the policies they are following ( not making ).

I do know that there are very genuine Labour Party members who are horrified by what is happening and what will happen in the future. Some of them still feel that there may be hope…………in time.

A lot of them would move to a newish left party if one was in the offing . What are the chances/hopes of that?

combatliberalism - August 17, 2012

‘I do know that there are very genuine Labour Party members who are horrified by what is happening and what will happen in the future. Some of them still feel that there may be hope…………in time.’

No there aren’t

‘A lot of them would move to a newish left party if one was in the offing.’

No they wouldn’t.

Tawdy - August 17, 2012

” No they aren`t ” What?

” No they wouldn`t ” What?

Mark P - August 17, 2012

I think that CL’s comment is pretty self-explanatory, Tawdy. “No there aren’t” very genuine Labour Party members who are horrified by what is happening, at least not “lots” of them. And “No they wouldn’t” move to a new leftish party.

WorldbyStorm - August 17, 2012

“No there aren’t” isn’t the same as ‘not lot’s of them’. And we don’t know whether they would move or not. Not trying to be smart, but I’m very dubious about expressions of certainty when we really can’t be sure.

My own interactions with a number of LP members and LP supporters is that they are deeply concerned by the way things are going. That would perhaps be a minority view (the majority view being that they’re blunting the impact of FG – a position I find derisory myself) but it certainly exists.

On a broader point one big problem is the lack of viable alternatives beyond the LP on the left for those who are from the LP fold and even left social democratic. Part of that is an issue of self-perception but part of it is also a product of the broader political environment. I don’t think there’s any way of overcoming that at all to be honest.

Tawdy - August 17, 2012

If any of this was in any way self-explanatory the question would not in an way arise, because of the ” self explanatory ” response.

Of course there are Labour Party members who are horrified by what is going on. There are also Labour Party members who are looking to alternatives on the left.

After all what are they doing in the Labour Party/

3. CMK - August 16, 2012

I’m sorry but I don’t rate Leahy at all as a political analyst. A retailer of parliamentary tittle-tattle, yes, as a serious political commentator worthy of reaching conclusions that deserve analysis, no. He specialises, I think, in precisely the kinds of complacency that the orthodoxy needs to keep the austerity show on the road and he hasn’t, from what I can see, had any startlingly original thoughts. Having said that I’ve started to buy the SBP again and his columns are probably the best written and entertaining, his book on Fianna Fail was an unputdownable page turner. He’s a good writer and can maintain a coherence that David McWilliams can only dream of. His columns are worth reading if only because of the complete lack of self-awareness he displays in hewing to the tenets of Irish political-economic orthodoxy.

His point about the troika programme and bondholder payout regime, are good examples of why I don’t have a great deal of time for his analytical efforts. As you correctly point out he presents the troika programme and the bondholder payments as mere administrative matters which, while important to politics here, are, in some sense, extrinsic. Whereas political life within this state is now conducted within parameters enforced by the troika and the need to keep paying the bondholders. He seems to have forgotten, like the rest of the punditocracy, the Austerity Treaty which kicks in in 2015 and doesn’t take into consideration the catastrophies brewing in Spain and Italy, and the one ongoing in Greece. There’s also issue of the second bailout which will have to wring blood from the proverbial stone and will impose austerity of a ferocity that we can, even at this point, scarely imagine. And the Troika programme has, far from bailing us out, landed us with a much increased debt/GDP ratio which will preclude any return to ‘the markets’. Within that context to give credence to the view that towards 2016 things will have picked up and Labour can venture out with confidence to a grateful electorate who will recognise their service to the nation by imposing the Troika’s dictats, is delusional.

4. doctorfive - August 16, 2012

We all remember Cowen crowing about getting the real message out as the third downgrade that week rolled in. Labour are far too clever to repeat Fianna Fáil’s mistakes. People are still wincing over ‘Labour’s way’ so you wont catch Gilmore going round saying we’ve turned a corner. We wont be here in twelve months watching Rabitte and co blaming everyone for not buying into the fantasy.

No way José

5. Nessa Childers - August 18, 2012

Yes there ARE Labour people who are dismayed. I am one of them. My own seat has almost certainly gone. However I don’t intend to let the Party go quietly into the night . Wasn’t brought up that way. ( I wouldnt overestimate my own power though! )There is the usual predictable situation where a number of people who will retain their seats are quite content with the staus quo. Provided the polls show that they will be still in government. Others who are being restrained by ministerial promises. Then there are the rest. Many of whom are genuine social democrats. The first group should beware of how they will appear in history books. Leading us to destruction etc. If there is a disaster in 2014 there will be a leadership struggle which may lead to a different outcome. But my feeling is that even if a recovery happens we will be punished anyway. Many such parties have been in Europe . To me, any other theory is denial.
None of this, of course, matters as much as the fact that if the relentless cutbacks go on we will bring the whole country down with us.
Nessa Childers

Jim Monaghan - August 19, 2012

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/jul/21/offshore-wealth-global-economy-tax-havens
If the EU would tackle tax havens then some stimulus could be possible with the money saved.The wealthy are blackmailing every state with their tax dodging. Even Ireland with the financial services centre and various tax breaks are becoming part of this.
Only pan EU measures can control if not stop it.

6. Jolly Red Giant - August 18, 2012

Unfortunately the day of the social democrat is gone – and the LP has long since left its social democratic veneer behind. Hell – I left the LP 15 years before you joined it and it had stopped being a social democratic party well before I left.

The LP is a dead duck – if you want to fight then stand on the side of working class people fighting the Household Charge, Water charges, health and education cuts and don’t act as a social democratic mudguard for the austerity policies being implemented by Gilmore and the rest of the crew. Go into the European Parliament and demand that the troika stop the austerity and gon onto the streets and stand should to shoulder with working class people fighting for their future.

Tawdy - August 19, 2012

Wonderful points there, the simplicity of those points will not be seen however. The Labour Party as you so clearly stated is a dead duck. The members are the only ones who cannot see that… just yet. It will take a ” disaster ” as stated by Nessa to bring home the understanding that they have failed the very people that they depend on to vote for them.

As for any leading member of the present Labour Party speaking out for the people they claim to represent in europe…….never gonna happen. As to any member of the Labour Party leadership taking to the streets and standing shoulder to shoulder with any of the working class……..that day is over for them, their in government now don`t you see, they`ve made it. no looking back for them.


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