Doesn’t this seem just a little bit familiar? September 7, 2012
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I’m close to the end of the Steve Richards book on Gordon Brown and New Labour “Whatever it Takes”. It’s somewhat altered my perception of the last few years in UK politics, but of course UK politics continues and currently we see the Liberal Democrats in the news over their woes as the minor party in the Coalition.
And here’s a piece from the Guardian from a few weeks ago that dovetails neatly with that:
Clegg trades on the fact that he is the first peacetime Liberal in a century to preside over government. That is no mean feat and, by the nature of coalition, requires compromise. The public appears to appreciate, better than the Westminster village, that give and take is a sign of a mature political system.
Sounds like both our former and current Coalition minor partners – no? And what of this which has a particularly contemporary resonance.
His problem, however, has not been the fact of compromise, but its nature. Most of the cases that he can demonstrate are negative ones. The Lib Dems have played a vital role in making Tory legislation less extreme, less red meat. The health reforms could have been worse; Europe policy would have been more barking; welfare changes would have hurt the vulnerable even more.
Problem is how can one prove a negative. Saying that all has been ‘less bad’ is just about the worst possible position for a political party – or indeed anyone in any aspect of life. It’s also almost impossible to measure. Perhaps the LDs/GP/LP have/did make things slightly less worse, but worse they were (in the UK context almost bizarrely so because economic thinking is near enough united on the proposal that the swinging expenditure cuts and obeisance before the altar of ‘austerity’ was near enough superfluous in the context of the UK economy – and as we’ve seen it hasn’t made things better. Quite the opposite).
I think there’s a lot to question in relation to the following:
The same would have applied had a post-2010 Lib-Lab coalition been formed. Labour is showing every sign of tacking to the right on criminal justice and civil liberties, continuing a miserable tradition established under the Blair and Brown administrations. What galvanises the troops, however, is positive change. The Protection of Freedoms Act, which received royal assent in May, was a small but important step forward in limiting the authorities’ use of individual data. This is in danger of being more than offset by the hideous “snoopers’ charter” and plans to introduce secret courts for intelligence-related criminal cases, such as the use of torture.
And again it is comparable with our own experience in both the present and previous Coalitions in this state. The Green Party – almost entirely unsuccessfully sought to deliver achievements based in their policy platform, but when push came to shove they were of a rather minor nature (one might argue that civil unions was one of the more useful ones because it pushed FF towards a more liberal position, or at least underwriting a more liberal position, than might have been otherwise). But in terms of core Green policies, perhaps planning reform was the most useful, though given the present incumbents both at Government buildings and Environment one would wonder how much remains. For the Labour Party it is a similar situation, and granted I’ve articulated this before, but it’s still important. They seem to be shifting onto social policy ground with a will (though note that it’s fairly patchy, not for them a full throated defence of pro-choice policies). And intriguingly the media seems to be egging them on as well as much one suspects to keep them away from economic policy.
The Protection of Freedoms Act in the UK mentioned above as an achievement is a drop in the ocean when, as always, economics is the key determinant within a polity. But where’s the surprise. It seems a minor party in a coalition can only make minor gains.

“It seems a minor party in a coalition can only make minor gains.”
Unless they’re prepared to draw that line in the sand, based on ideological conviction, beyond which they will not compromise. Not saying that I expect puritanical principled stands on every single issue, but there must be some core set of policies (or pan-policy pronciples) which the party is simply prepared to walk away from negotiation unless they are part of the deal. The bike to work scheme is great and all of that, but as core content for a party go it doesn’t add up to much really, does it.
That’s it, and also a willingness to walk away from government.
I agree with both comments . It won’t happen though, easily. There are not even stated red lines. I don’t really understand why.
You can’t really understand the Liberal Democrats unless you understand two things. One is the first-past-the-post system, in which they particularly appeal to the tactical voter, i.e. voting against the party you don’t like rather than for the party you do like. The other is their identity as primarily a party that has based itself on local issues.
Both these factors have made them adept in saying one thing in one place and another in another place. They really don’t have a programme of any kind, any fixed principles. Some general philosophy, to be sure, but as far a policy is concerned, they really do expect not to be held to anything (much more so than any party wil behave differently in office to how they promised in a campaign) and to escape critcism on the grounds that they’re still better than Labour or the Conservatives according to taste.
They have entirely internalised this. One illustration: at the last election, in Oxford, where there’s two constituencies, one pretty Tory and the other pretty Labour, they were appealing to Labour voters in the first to vote Lib Dem to keep the Tories out, and in the other, appealing to Tory voters to vote Lib Dem to keep Labour out. They couldn’t understand it when they were criticised for this. Nor could they understand it when they won neither seat.
[Declaration of interest - my stepmother, who I do not like, is a Lib Dem MEP. But my hostility to her party dates back many years.]
I’ve heard something of that, and again it reminds me of certain parties here who have tacked left and right as the mood/necessity took them, but as you say the LDs have taken this to something of an art form. It sounds perhaps harsh but I’ve never felt much more than contempt for them over the years.
A friend of mine who was a (quite genuinely) leftish Lib Dem once confirmed this to me and justified it on grounds of a vaguely radical-sounding populism: the people say what they want, the Lib Dems give it to them, what could be more democratic than that? Demands would rise from the base and be satisfied locally, leading the party to gain popular support; the overall programme of the party would be continually pieced together from a combination of those demands and established principles. it was all rather reminiscent of the Libyan notion of Jamahiriyya, which was supposed to run on self-government through neighbourhood committees.
Where it all falls down, of course, is that you can’t make a national programme for government out of pointing at holes in the road. In practice the programme is what the leadership says it is, and the leadership can say whatever it wants to.
Unlike ejh, I still had illusions in the LDs until relatively recently. Never again.
The but about phenomenology went over my head but the sense of class betrayal transfers well into the LP situation here.
I’ve heard that line as well Phil, a sort of ‘it’s democratic so therefore it’s okay’ and from some oddly left wing places as well. That’s it exactly and your point is one I often consider in terms of the limits to community based politics alone.
btw, share your approach to the Tories entirely. I despair of people like McEwan’s attitude.
This dissillusion with politics is widespread all over Europe and could be the cause of major social unrest .
Nessa, it’s not politics that people are disillusioned with, it’s the structures and effects of the existing system on their lives, an the apparent irrelevence of voting for X or Y on the actual outcomes. Historically such things tend not to end well. The question is whether enough of those on the inside will notice, or care, or act progressively, or will they be content to build repressive state apparatus to preserve the status quo despite the growing disillusionment? Having just read a history of the reactionary era in Europe post-Napolean, and the result in 1848, one might see similarities.
I can see no good end to it, but the form of the bad end is not clear either. One thing is so obvious that I wonder if it is willfully misunderstood by vested interests . Human beings can’t be squished into balance sheets. And those on the ” inside” like myself, would be considered the worst kind of champagne socialist be many on the ” left”. Although we may be past that. God knows, my grandfather came from a family of British upper middle class privilege .
GG2, although I personally loath the Labour party and all its works I have huge respect for you as a politician, possibly the only politician from a mainstream party who I have any time for. You always give the impression that you are a critical thinker, which probably puts into the bad books of the lads and lassies in Ely Place. The mirage of the much vaunted ‘Labour Left’ seems to acquire a tad more substance if you’re included under that term (I’m not sure if you’d be comfortable being described as a ‘Labour Leftie’, but nonetheless that’s what you are).
I wouldn’t describe you as a champagne socialist, regardless of whether you enjoy the odd glass of champers and regard yourself as a socialist. For one thing your bentral casting D4, Sandymount ‘champagne socialist’ wouldn’t condescend to interact with the mere proles here at CLR and Political World. An horrific thought, deeply felt but unexpressed at branch meetings of the Dublin South East Labour Party.
And unlike your party colleague Dermot ‘I grew up up in a council house and left school at 14 and Joe Higgins and Richard Boyd Barrett have never done a day’s work in their life!!!!!!’ Lacey you’re open about your background.
It would but good if you were re-elected in 2014 but, alas, some opportunistic Fianna Failer or Sinn Fein Trioka servant in waiting will probably take your seat.
+1
Good letter to the LP parliamentary party there:
http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/government-has-to-be-more-than-just-balancing-the-books-3223574.html
The mere fact that the think-in is being held in Carton House says something. A bit of luxurious pampering. Quite a statement to those hard-pressed in society whom the LP clearly does not feel it represents!
Thank you, CMK. Of course I will lose my seat . It has been obvius actually since 2009. There would be many in Labour who would disagree. This shows the extent of the denial of the reality we face. There is a possibility that all three MEPS will lose. A big symbolic loss. De Rossa once said there would be panic close to the election. A bit late, no? The loss of cllrs is more serious to the internal Party organization. I am more concerned that the resulting political turmoil could put us at risk of a disorderly default. The worst case scenario. This eclipses any Party or personal loss. No one should underestimate this. There is also a growing chance of a breakaway political party forming post 2014 and definitely 2016. However It would be easier to lose a seat if it MEANT something. If somehow Labour did the right thing but was in the wrong place etc. Then we could feel that we made a sacrifice in thr national interest. Unless things change, 2014 losses will be only to satisfy the ambitions of the remaining TDS . It is better to accept this and deal with it like rehearsing a bereavement . Many politicians have this strange habit of thinking that if they don’t talk about something it won’t happen! Others allow them to think so…… Watch Ruari Quinns face on that documentary on RTE. He says that some of his younger colleagues are afraid that the anger will translate in to loss of votes. He only just avoids saying that it WILL.
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