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That Croke Park Agreement ‘confusion’… September 11, 2012

Posted by WorldbyStorm in Economy, Irish Politics.
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Rejoice! Rejoice! The ‘confusion’ over the CPA is over. Though wait for the Budget and after. It’s interesting to reflect on why this should have appeared over the past week with a background (and foreground) chorus of comments from Ministers and parties various. Though it took the Taoiseach to knock it dead. Which is also interesting because his Ministers – yes, even the nominally social democratic ones, appeared to share this ‘confusion’.

Indeed this morning the IT itself admitted that:

TAOISEACH Enda Kenny and Tánaiste Eamon Gilmore moved yesterday to end confusion, largely, it must be said, created by members of the Cabinet itself, over the Government’s stance on the Croke Park agreement.

But of course it wasn’t just Ministers. Not at all. The Irish Times had helpfully been running an intermittent series on this very issue in the past week or so (and the SBP was no slouch in terms of pieces at the weekend – btw, this mornings piece provides something of a rebuttal). And Eddie Molloy’s contribution – perhaps a particularly notable one – was raised in comments over the weekend here, primarily by Jonathan who wrote that:

I note that Eddie Molloy was writing the same stuff in the IT on Friday, right down to the reference to Larkin, although there it’s even more absurdly phrased, if that were possible: “Next year will be the 100th anniversary of the 1913 lockout and the trade union movement will take the opportunity to remind us of the heroic struggle of their founding members against injustice. Big Jim Larkin will rightly be remembered for his inspirational leadership in that epic struggle. But before current trade union leaders presume to don the mantle of Larkin and all he stood for, they might stop to ponder this question: if Larkin were around today which causes would he champion? Where would he see the greatest injustices?” What, indeed?
But who is Eddie Molloy? I assume it’s this guy: “Over the last thirty years, Eddie has gained an unrivalled reputation for helping both indigenous and multi-national companies develop and execute their change and growth strategies. His is widely recognised as a thought leader with a record of success in the areas of strategy, structure, change and innovation.” See here for more: http://www.advancedorganisation.com/our_services.htm (a sample of what they do: “Achieving Distinctive Customer Focus: Creating a truly customer focussed organisation one that stands out from the pack. This means creating a ‘sense and respond’ capability based on a competitive product set, supported by coherent easy-to-use- systems, finger-tip information, employees with the right combination of skills and commitment to customer care. The secret is to empower front line employees to focus ruthlessly on attracting and strengthening the customer relationship while at the same time complying with clear boundary conditions.”

It’s well worth going back to that IT article with Jonathan’s comments in mind.

Certainly Molloy argues against the CPA and it’s a familiar cry, though to be honest there are points that he makes that many of us critical of the CPA from the left would possibly agree with – perhaps first and foremost the distinction between current staff in the PS and their wages and terms and those who are new entrants. I’m still unable to quite believe that that was agreed. And he is correct that it is indeed difficult to see service cuts biting deeper and deeper.
Yet, in the litany of failings – from his perspective – there are a number of curious omissions. Firstly he appears indifferent to, and certainly makes no mention of, previous cuts in pay and changes in the pension structure in the PS since the crisis broke.

That’s no small thing and it ill-serves his argument not to engage with it.

Secondly there’s not an hint of what sort of claw back he would envisage. What would he cut in terms of wages and how. He mentions only one figure throughout and that’s the following:

It represents a fundamental failure to govern when €1 billion is being borrowed every month not just to keep public services ticking over, but to pay annual increments, the most absurd allowances and index-linked pensions to deliver on the Croke Park deal as interpreted by trade unions.

Well actually that’s not the only figure, he mentions this:

In addition to “protecting the most vulnerable”, “facilitating flexibility” and “delivering industrial peace”, another much-used construct has been “legitimate entitlements”. When exit packages for secretaries general and others, one of which carried a value of €5 or €6 million, were questioned, we were asked to accept that these people have “legitimate entitlements”.

There’s no end of discussion one can have about those exit packages, and I doubt there’d be many here who would defend them, but then again they were relatively atypical. Interestingly according to Finfacts Ireland’s top civil servant, secretary general retired last Summer with a €713,000 package, which was composed of the following:

In addition to an annual pension of €142,670, McCarthy received a once-off lump sum of €428,011. He also got a full year’s pension as a special severance payment of €142,670. The overall package was worth €713,000. Details of the package were released to RTÉ under the Freedom of Information Act.

I think that was excessive, but while I’m not casting doubts on Molloy’s figures, if that was the top civil servant one presumes that no other civil servants, Secretary-General’s anyhow or lower, would have retired on an higher pay off and certainly not €5 or €6m (or if it occurred at all there was more to it than that). Or perhaps I am casting doubt on his figures, because one way or another – even if accurate – he appears to be talking about a wildly atypical example. The average lump sum of the 1,424 civil servants who retired this year was, according to the Independent, a rather less spectacular – though by no means derisory, €87,000. And given that those were most likely civil servants well into their years in the job that figure is probably tilted to the higher end. Actually, as interesting was the information that 63 per cent of civil servants receive pensions of €10k or less.

Thirdly he doesn’t even bother to quantify what benefits would flow from scrapping the CPA. This in a way is the most egregious omission of all because one would think that if such an approach were worthy of consideration it would equally be worth spelling out why. As I say I’m broadly critical of the CPA, but I can see the utility as an economic stabiliser of maintaining PS wages etc at a certain level, at least until the end of the agreement which – of course – is now a year or so away (though I’ve heard there’s some ambiguity as to the specific end date). Moreover – and in direct relation to that thought – consider the following:

Since Christmas 2009, when the agreement was finalised, and June 2010, when it was ratified by a majority of trade unions, there has been unforeseen budgetary deterioration on several fronts. For example, growth projections for the economy have not materialised and the scale of mortgage defaults, personal indebtedness and bank debt – all of which require massive amounts of public money to resolve – has risen to a level not envisaged in 2009.

What he seems to ignore is the fact that public sector workers live in precisely that economy with precisely those sort of problems. Knock ten per cent, or twenty per cent or as one will find suggested in comments under the article, thirty three per cent off PS wages and see how that impacts on ‘mortgage defaults’ and ‘personal indebtedness’. Indeed Richard Curran in the Sunday Busines Post made precisely that point some months ago suggesting that it was precisely because of the dangers of exacerbating the situation yet further that the government had not moved in that direction. And that’s before we consider falling tax returns and so on.

But by not stating explicitly what the outcomes are this article serves its purpose. Does Molloy believe that monies ‘saved’ from the removal of the CPA would flow to those areas where services were cut? He doesn’t say, but that doesn’t entirely make sense given that the argument made in general terms is that we cannot afford to pay wages at level x because ‘we’re spending x more than we take in in taxes’ in terms of government expenditure. Merely shunting the monies to cover services cut would make no impact upon the latter whatsoever.

But what then is the argument? That we will service the deficit more efficiently?

Michael Taft looked at some interesting research on this issue a while back (and by the way it is great to see Michael posting again after a well deserved break last month). But what of the argument about covering cuts in services – which is implicitly at the heart of so much of this (a sort of crocodile tears about how if only the CPA was removed there would be more monies for services – even though the bona fides of many of those making such claims are highly suspect due to their aversion to state intervention in the first place). Well there I tend to the view that everyone, public and private sector, has to face facts that tax rates must increase – and this would be true bailout or not. But wait – that’s the very policy approach that the larger partner in this government has set its face against.

That’s what’s so lop sided about this concentration on the CPA. It is as if the CPA is the fundamental problem and block against economic recovery, and if it is removed all will be sunny uplands, when in truth other economic policy decisions appear to be much more problematic. But asking the government to tilt the balance between expenditure cuts/tax increases from the current balance which places greater emphasis on the former is near pointless…

I’m far from an unquestioning champion of the public sector – and likewise the private sector – but
And that’s the problem with the article and the broader discussion of which it is a good example. Lots of complaints, some of them entirely misjudged, and no explanations as to what the alternative might be, let alone whether it provides a solution.

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1. Jonathan - September 11, 2012

I suppose Julian is a better name than Jonathan (and is also an excellent book by Gore Vidal)…

WorldbyStorm - September 11, 2012

Ooops, apologies, when I am able to access site to edit it I’ll change your name back to the right one.

Tomboktu - September 11, 2012

Done for you.

WorldbyStorm - September 11, 2012

Thanks a million Tombuktu

Jonathan - September 11, 2012

Thanks for that!

2. Daniel Sullivan - September 11, 2012

I suspect the figure of €5/6 million being referenceed is the overally cost of providing that sort of package of an annual pension of €142,670, plus a once-off lump sum of €428,011 (are those lump sums that people can take at retirement when existing their pension scheme (both private and public) tax free? not sure about that point) plus full year’s pension as a special severance payment of €142,670.

So the point is that to go out and buy a pension that would pay out €142,670 per annum over the likely remainder of someone’s expected lifetime would cost $5/6 million and no matter what pension contributions he would have been making during his working life, it is highly unlikely to come to that figure. And isn’t that €142,670 figure index linked to the pay of the position he is leaving so that if (much less likely these days I would acknowledge) the salary was to increase then so too would the pension.

3. crocodileshoes - September 11, 2012

Never read anything written by someone called Eddie on the subject of the public service (hello Eddie Molloy, Ed Walsh, Eddie Hobbs).
A brave effort by WbyS to engage with the ‘arguments’ about the CPA. The glaring gaps in logic are inevitable because those who favour the dismantling of the CPA are labouring under several misapprehensions ( or pretending to).
For instance : that the CPA has ‘protected’ public service salaries. Truth: they’ve declined about 20 per cent in real terms.
Worse – no exaggeration – is the increase in workload in many areas. In Howlin’s ‘more for less’ mantra, the ‘more’ is even worse than the ‘less’.
That pensions are ‘gold plated’.
That public servants like the CPA and feel lucky to have it. It’s a sell out.
That the CPA will save Labour at the next election. Will it f*#£ .
That the unions are so weakened that the CPA can be dismantled without huge industrial action. Fact is that all the PS workers I know are way more militant on the subject than their union ‘leaders’ are. The tipping point will be – as I’ve said over the years – when PS pensions are attacked. That’s the really critical point, and it’s being mentioned more and more often.

4. EamonnCork - September 11, 2012

The worst thing is that I doubt if even the most fervent opponents of the CPA think that a new agreement would do anything to solve our economic woes. They seem to be largely motivated by the notion that the private sector might feel a bit better if they saw the public sector having a bad time. Or by the fact that this might be an opportune time to worsen working conditions all round so that everyone ends up subject to casualisation or ‘flexibility’ as it’s euphemistically called.

5. ivorthorne - September 11, 2012

The worst thing about the current status quo is the way that unions sold out so many workers. New entrants to several positions were thrown to the wolves.

Look at young teachers who get less hours for less money, while older teachers retire and are then rehired. Look at SNAs, who take the pension levys and pay cuts but who have no real security and who are expected to work beyond the terms of their contracts to make up for the resources that have been withdrawn from the system.

What I find really interesting about the right wing critics of Croke Park (most of whom simply oppose anything involving unions) is that the NEVER seem to consider the fact that it is possible to target the high paid public servants without breaking the agreement. All they’d have to do is increase taxes on high earners.

Joe - September 12, 2012

“All they’d have to do is increase taxes on high earners.”

Spot on Ivor, spot on.

I would actually support cutting the wages of high earners in the public service (Sinn Féin policy I think).
And targeting their allowances too – but, guess what, when the HR senior people in the Civil Service look for allowances to target, it’s always the mickey mouse allowances to the lower paid that they hone in on.

6. Jonny Sensible - September 12, 2012

Here is a simple solution to reforming the public sector that can be complete in 8 weeks.

Suspend all allowances.
Let those earning over 45k take a pay cut. Max salary is to be set at 85K

All holiday leave set to 20 days a year.
6 weeks sick leave every 3 years. The first 3 days not paid on each occurrence.

Change the pension scheme to a defined contribution scheme the state will pay 5% contribution. The employee pays 5% or more of salary. The tax payer pays 0% on maturity.

Hire people on contract from the private sector to vet the performance of the public sector staff.
Set a target of 15% of staff to be fired for incompetence.
Then, single out those who are currently holding redundant posts and lay them off. Statutory redundancy.

Set ratios of budgets to 30/70 in favor of services.
Revision at end of 8 weeks with a view to outsource 25% of public services before the end of the 2012. Statutory redundancy given to staff in that 25%.

Ivorthorne - September 12, 2012

Interesting idea Mr. Sensible. What would the impact on the public and state finances be?

crocodile - September 12, 2012

A better idea: an indefinite embargo on anyone suggesting that anyone else, or any other group to which the commenter does not belong, should pay more tax/ take a pay cut/ lose their job.

RosencrantzisDead - September 12, 2012

I had a long post querying the above but it just isn’t worth getting into. The proposals are just so ridiculous and, in many cases, unworkable.

eamonncork - September 12, 2012

I especially love ‘set a target of 15% of people to be fired for incompetence’ What? Even if they’re not incompetent?

WorldbyStorm - September 12, 2012

Snap Rosencrantz, but there are two things which are very striking…

Echoing eamonncork, a target to fire 15 per cent for incompetence isn’t about dealing with incompetence, it’s just a target to shed jobs. Apart from the ethical problems there’s the small fact that in twenty years in the private sector I never encountered, even in the worst companies I worked for such a crazy notion in terms of demoralising and demotivating people.

People on contract from private sector? I’m on contract to the PS from the private sector. The idea people like me would ‘vet’ the PS doesn’t strike me as terribly useful. The two are distinctly different in structure. But more importantly having seen at first hand how the private sector consultants and contractors have fleeced the PS in terms of over speccing equipment etc I’d be highly dubious about any particular benefit that could be derived in that way.

What’s depressing is the attitude that the PS is = to the private sector. No it’s not. The functions, etc are significantly different and just mapping one on the other isn’t going to work in terms of management, ethos or indeed – and most importnatly, in some respects – outcomes.

fergal - September 12, 2012

“Here is a simple solution to reforming..”says it all really.Life is never simple and the world I live in is far more nuanced than I imagine the one Jonny Sensible lives in.
Out of curiosity what would be your Croke Park Deal for the delinquent private banks..after all they have/will cost us around 64 billion euros

crocodile - September 12, 2012

And, Johnny, sorry to see you lost the captaincy. Cutbacks?

RosencrantzisDead - September 12, 2012

Remember the time the Financial Regulator said that €500,000 basic pay was not nearly enough money for the Chief Executive of a bailed out bank?

That was funny.

Daniel Sullivan - September 12, 2012

I’d have to say that many of those proposals are rather glib and frankly bizarre. I mean it’s more cost effective if employees stay home when sick instead of dragging themselves into work and take out half the place. And why set holiday leave at a maximum of 20 days when statutory minimum is 19 and most private sector employers let you add to that for length of service.

The bigger long term problem down the line is undoubtedly pensions and the fact that contributions made today whether in the private or public sector won’t remotely be able to fund the pension expectations and perhaps not even the requirements of retirees 30/50 years from now.

WorldbyStorm - September 12, 2012

Isn’t statutory minimum actually 20 now, at least IIRC.

But yes, very glib. Which is not to say there’s no changes at all that can be made and that everything is perfect. No human system is.

7. Tomboktu - September 12, 2012

The Independent’s headlines for this story on Monday originally read “Labour’s Pat Rabbitte ups pressure on unions over Croke Park deal“.

I am amused that the Independent felt it necessary to remind us that Pat Rabbitte is a member of the Labour Party.)

(Use Google to search for that phrase, between inverted commas, and you’ll get a link for it. It now says “No renegotiation of Croke Park Agreement until after the Budget – Eamon Gilmore“.)

8. IT Support Charlotte - September 14, 2012

Link exchange is nothing else except it is simply placing
the other person’s blog link on your page at appropriate place and other person will also do similar for you.

9. ian - September 20, 2012

the public sector need to come to terms with the economic realities that the country faces , the more they resist change and protect their terms and conditions the worse the pain will be for them post croke park in 2014

WorldbyStorm - September 20, 2012

But that’s precisely the point I’m trying to tease out. What precisely do the PS terms and conditions have to do with the economic realities that the country faces? How does altering them improve the latter situation? You say what you say but can you quantify what the positive outcomes from any such changes will be and how that will materially affect our situation?

And what by the way does pain post the CPA have to do with the situation of the country. If logically there are steps that must be taken in relation to terms and conditions then they have to be taken anyhow, if one is to accept your line, and it is irrelevant whether before or after the expiration of the CPA, no? And how can you offer any assurance that pain will be lesser if something is ‘accepted’ now if the overall issue is one of an existential threat to the state’s economic well being as against later?


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