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And after the next election? October 24, 2012

Posted by WorldbyStorm in Irish Politics, The Left.
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Okay, reading Adrian Kavanagh’s analysis of the IT/Ipsos MRBI poll conducted last week one glaring point becomes obvious. Here’s the details of the poll again and his extrapolation of seat numbers:

Fine Gael 31% (down 1%), Labour 12% (up 2%), Fianna Fail 21% (up 4%), Sinn Fein 20% (down 4%), Green Party 2% (NC), Independents and Others 14% (down 1%). My constituency-level analysis of these poll figures estimates that party seat levels, should such national support trends be replicated in an actual general election, would be as follows: Fine Gael 63, Labour 17, Fianna Fail 37, Sinn Fein 25, Green Party 0, Independents and Others 16. 

All very interesting, no? What appears to be the case is that there is a switch between the smaller parties (including FF) from the current dispensation in the Dáil.

Currently Fine Gael has 74 seats, the LP has 34, FF has 19, SF has 14 and Independents and Others have 19 with 1 over the Ceann Comhairle and five apostate TDs from the LP and FG.

Granted in Kavanagh’s projection FG would go down, Independents and others would drop too by 3 seats (and interesting to contemplate which they would be), but FF jumps into the current LP position, while SF switches with FF as is now and the LP is forced back into fourth place (a position it has not been in since the 1980s) and assumes the SF position. In other words in general terms the action, such as it is, is on the opposition and LP side of the house while FG remains well ahead, albeit still unable to govern on its own.

In a 158 TD Dáil that would require a party or coalition to exceed 79 TDs. As can be seen FG and the LP would have just one vote sufficient to do so at 80. Makes one wonder whether there is some wailing and gnashing of teeth now that the idea of the 158 Dáil is so firmly embedded given that perhaps a larger number of TDs in the Dáíl would produce a larger comfort zone for the parties.

Now of course all this comes replete with caveats. There will not be an election tomorrow, and even if there were it wouldn’t produce the result this poll did – or at least the chances of that would be vanishingly small. Yet, who would argue too strenuously that FG or the LPs position will be much improved on these figures in the aftermath of no growth, unemployment static or rising, a mortgage crisis that is increasing, three deflationary Budgets yet to come and so on and so forth. In other words the means of FG cobbling together a coalition, even if it retains this level of support in the poll becomes more tricky.

It is feasible, I think, that some TDs, even some leftish TDs – with the emphasis on ‘ish’, might be persuaded to work with an FG/LP coalition much as we saw the same dynamic in the 2007 government onwards. And chances are there might be at least two rightist TDs who would do likewise, though that might cause problems for the LP (though I can’t see them walking in that circumstance given they haven’t in the current one).

But what if the LP did the right thing and declined the invitation to continue in government with FG?

Well, granted Fine Gael could call on the services of SF, but that’s highly unlikely to occur and I suspect that in such a situation we would see FF step into the breach with confidence and supply measures. Or alternatively it could call on Fianna Fáil. But, oddly would FG be willing to work that directly with them? Again, a more likely outcome is a confidence and supply arrangement. But the problem there is that such a government would be intrinsically unstable. A party like FF even now must consider both its left and right flank and the pressures of supporting an FG administration (an FG one!) would introduce some pretty remarkable stresses.

One could easily envisage such a government lasting a fairly short period of time – the FF/GP administration went well over a year earlier than its possible timespan. And afterwards? Where would the chips fall? Would votes stream left or right? Towards novelty or stability? Given the temper of the Irish people in this state across the past five years I’d almost bet that it would be the latter, which suggests poor pickings for the left subsequently. And yet if it was problematic for the remnants of the LP – beaten sub-20, and who knows where SF would be in such a context, other parts of the left (however widely defined) might not do too badly in the longer run.

Kavanagh’s individual constituency projections are useful in that respect. Dublin Bay North he sees an SF candidate take a seat (Larry O’Toole’s day comes – and well deserved if it does given the work he and SF have put in there) as well as an FFer. Dublin Central returns LP/SF/Other. Dun Laoghaire, no RBB. Clare Daly looks safe enough on these figures. Joan Collins likewise. Wallace would look safe. So would Halligan. Murphy likewise. Ross and Donnelly also appeared safe enough. And Tipperary? Both the WUAG and Lowry come in.

All projections of course, and individual contests can be blown one way or another by circumstance and environment.

By the way, note both the Green Party and Independents figures overall. The former are nowhere, the latter – given a reduced Dáil, hold up remarkably well. I’m not saying it is definite that they’ll return in such numbers, but given the fragmentation of the party system that has occurred in the past five years they clearly remain a viable destination for votes and voters.

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1. greengoddess2 - October 24, 2012

If the Labour Party went back in to government in those circumstances I personally would leave the PLP. In the unlikely event I am still elected. I suspect I would not be alone.

2. sonofstan - October 24, 2012

FF, SF and LAB on those figures are one short of a majority. Just sayin’

WorldbyStorm - October 24, 2012

Interesting. Can’t see it working though. Though a chastened LP, an FF willing to do business… though would it? Hmmm…

sonofstan - October 24, 2012

The cynic in me can see Gilmore going for it as a chance to be the compromise Taoiseach – Lloyd George stylee- and burying his party for 50 years as a consequence

EamonnCork - October 24, 2012

I believe that any of the three big parties would swallow their pride if they needed SF to keep them in power. That old ‘hope and history’ line would probably get a run-out though it would actually be cynicism and opportunity rhyming. I think a FG/SF coalition is more likely than an FG/FF one.

Dr. X - October 25, 2012

Or you could pull a McDowell, and say “only we, the mainstream moderates, can keep the wild men of SF in line”.

“FF, SF and LAB on those figures are one short of a majority. Just sayin’”

And what an enormous difference that would make to how things are being run now.

sonofstan - October 25, 2012

I never said it would make a difference.

And while, unlike Mark, I have ambitions greater than merely anticipating SF’s turn in power in order to be able protest against them, I have no expectations at all of them being much more than FF 2.0.

Just pointing out that there is an option that doesn’t include FG.

Dr. X - October 25, 2012

“I never said it would make a difference.”

Indeed you did not, and I am more than happy to acknowledge.

Regarding FF as the fake opposition, I still think we might see some astroturfed right-populist party ginned up in time for the next election. When FF finally get too worn out to serve as a fake opposition, I mean. They might be getting a lift in the polls, but they still won’t be recruiting enough young blood, or retaining old blood, to have boots on the ground. Or is that too optimistic?

3. Jim Monaghan - October 25, 2012

People forget minority governments. Do you think the bourgeois opposition would bring down a government for the fun of it. It is in the interests of the broader bourgeoisie to prevent an emergence of an untamed Syriza. Better a false opposition like current FF to from their point of view a “wild” ULA. Mind you the SP?SWP duo have a game plan. After Labour is destroyed, then SF in government and then destroyed, then all the other pretenders to radicalism betray in their turn and then the anointed successors to the bolsheviks takes over.
On a serious note now is the time for an alliance to contest the locals and provide opposition there and prepare for the next election.
I would add that while a lot of us criticise the KKE for their hatred of Syriza the far left here are not that far removed in practice.
Oh what do people think of the possibility of a Quinn type rightwing populism emerging.People are angry but blaming the “wrong” targets is part of rightwing populism and worse.

Ed - October 25, 2012

Very good piece on that possibility here:

“On the right, prominent commentator on economic and financial matters Eddie Hobbs wrote in the Wall Street Journal that ‘Enda Kenny leads a Vichy government—captive externally to creditors that still insist on loading bank debt onto the sovereign, and internally to a tribe of insiders led by union godfathers’, thus racialising and criminalising organised labour, and associating it with Nazism in a single turn of phrase. Hobbs is by no means the furthest to the right of Ireland’s priestly caste of economic-financial ‘experts’ who make regular appearances as impartial commentators in print and on air in Ireland, and we should be wary of the ease with which union leaders can function as a metonym for the real ‘enemy within’ according to this world view: the unionised worker…

“But it is here that the danger of the present situation in Ireland lies. The prevailing concern with the ‘national interest’, in a situation where you have a right-wing mainstream media that already frames politics in such terms, and nominally social democratic formations that identify the national interest with following a programme of draconian cutbacks and the stripping away of the welfare state, lay the basis for a deeply reactionary right wing populism. A reactionary right wing that makes appeals to notions of ‘national sovereignty’ and ‘the national interest’ –identified, naturally, with the longest standing desires of Ireland’s capitalist class- and foments widespread anti-political animus and resignation, on account of the failure -through perceived weakness or cowardice- of political leaders to stand up to the vile Hun.

“Thus ‘the politicians’ –and with them, any kind of contestatory democratic political activity- become the main object of hatred, and in tow, individual delinquent bankers like Sean Fitzpatrick and ‘godfather union bosses’, to use Eddie Hobbs’s phrase, with the capitalist class and the system that sustains it tucked safely out of sight.”

http://knaves.posterous.com/a-special-case

eamonncork - October 25, 2012

Thanks for posting that Ed. There’s more than one very good piece on that site, it’s a very interesting and highly intelligent blog. The piece on the Chavez re-election for one is terrific.


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