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A spectre is haunting Ireland… the spectre of ‘civil unrest’ over… er… Sean Quinn? November 1, 2012

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From the Irish Independent…

A CAMPAIGN group set up to support Sean Quinn and his family have warned of potential “civil unrest” if he goes to jail or falls ill as a result of ongoing legal battles.

The warning by Concerned Irish Citizens (CIC) comes as the High Court rules later today whether the 66-year-old, who has had two heart operations, should be sent to jail for breaking court orders.

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1. irishmarxism - November 1, 2012

It would be easy to let rip at the sheer stupidity of workers supporting a billionaire who gambled away many of their jobs but the first task is to understand:

http://irishmarxism.net/2012/08/02/workers-rally-in-support-of-millionaire-quinn/

CMK - November 1, 2012

Interesting analysis. A lot there that needed to be said, and it’s said very well.

WorldbyStorm - November 1, 2012

+1

sonofstan - November 1, 2012

+1 also.

Very astute – too much commentary on this has relied on the notion that them up there are thicker than we are as an explanation for everything.

eamonncork - November 1, 2012

Fair enough but what’s annoying about Quinn in particular is his outrage at the fact that the law can’t be rewritten to suit him because of his immense wealth and influence.
And it was this mentality, that things should be ordered to protect the interests of the wealthiest, which led to such collossal miscalculations as NAMA and the bank guarantees.
The piece is good and it does touch on the idea of dependency. I can remembet trade union officials from Dublin trying to organise a strike in a midlands town in the early nineties and being utterly amazed at the amount of people who said to them, ‘I’m grateful to have a job, that man did a lot locally.’ They were also inclined to dismiss this as rural backwardness but it probably isn’t hugely different from any situation where people say they wouldn’t have a union in the place because the company don’t want it and that’s the way it is. Just because they probably don’t have Dress Down Fridays or a Nintendo area in Ballyconnell doesn’t mean it’s another world.
Though, having said that, supine is as supine does and there’s not a lot that can be done for people if they are determined to identify their interests with the likes of Sean Quinn. I’m not sure that worship of business, our new state religion in the Tiger years, indicates a potential captive market for the Left. There are enough people out there, even in Quinn Country, even in the GAA< disgusted with the whole caper.

sonofstan - November 2, 2012

Well, as Conor pointed out, the law has been rewritten to suit the interests of particular companies in the recent past – see DePfa legislation – so maybe Quinn has the right to feel aggrieved?

There’s not a huge difference between the identification of their own interests with that of their erstwhile employer shown in Cavan and that of Google employees in Grand Canal Dock, except the latter look cooler – their employer *may be* scamming the taxpayer here and in the US as much as Quinn ever did.

2. Starkadder - November 1, 2012

Shades of the poor white Southerners going out to
fight for the plantation owners?

3. CMK - November 1, 2012

On the subject of Quinn’s fate tomorrow I am almost 99% certain that he won’t be sent to prison. Contempt of court on a brazen, massive scale will be tolerated by the judiciary. All on the basis of spurious nonsense from Quinn’s defence team. It’s an excellent example of how the so-called ‘rule of law’ actually operates in this state. The courts have shown Quinn absolutely extraordinary indulgence thus far, indulgence that wouldn’t even be contemplated in other circumstances and they’ll show him similar indulgence tomorrow. It’s interesting because the CAHWT is hotting up and the state’s legal approach will be revealed soon. You can wager that if contempt of court and/or injunctions emerge in this campaign that the courts will jail people without breaking sweat. Yet and individual engaged in deliberate attempts to put state property worth hundreds of billions out of reach of the state is still, months after it was initially revealed, at large and seemingly emboldened by the judiciary soft approach.

CMK - November 1, 2012

‘hundreds of MILLIONS’

Bartley - November 2, 2012

On the subject of Quinn’s fate tomorrow I am almost 99% certain that he won’t be sent to prison. Contempt of court on a brazen, massive scale will be tolerated by the judiciary. All on the basis of spurious nonsense from Quinn’s defence team. It’s an excellent example of how the so-called ‘rule of law’ actually operates in this state.

Care to retract?

WorldbyStorm - November 2, 2012

It’s not a court of law here – so less of the ‘retract’ nonsense.

eamonncork - November 2, 2012

Can we have the Gadaffi lad back?

maddurdu - November 2, 2012

Sean Quinn is a great anti-imperialist leader being brought down by the anglo-nato alliance. The rumours that Peter Daragh Quinn is hiding in a drainage pipe in Fermanagh is a construct of the bourgeois media.

RosencrantzisDead - November 2, 2012

Quinn is a river to his people!

Bartley - November 3, 2012

Thanks for that WbS, typically even-handed in the face of CMK\’s almost total wrongness.

WorldbyStorm - November 3, 2012

Gimme a break Bartley, I’m doing my level best to avoid having a personally sniping tone here on this site. You’ve done your level best to undermine that over the years. No point running to me waving a sore thumb in the air with that track record.

CMK’s thesis was wrong, no one disputes that, but as noted by someone else he said 99 per cent, not 100 per cent, and given the history to date of the state in relation to such matters even Quinn’s egregious messing around wouldn’t make one wholeheartedly certain that the right thing would be done (as would the stats about white collar crime referenced in the SBP only a number of weeks back).

fergal - November 2, 2012

CMK left the door a tiny bit open,one per cent exactly,so why retract?

CMK - November 3, 2012

No. I was wrong about his jailing but, from what I can see he could have appealed to the Supreme Court and, had he done so, he would not have been jailed. I don’t think it was unreasonable to attempt a prediction that he wouldn’t have been jailed yesterday given that so far in the process the judiciary have done its best not jail him. At least we’ve found the floor below which the judiciary are not prepared to go. Or, more accurately, it’s been demonstrated that there are degrees of ‘contempt of court’ and that if you can afford a top notch brief that dictatea that you can get away with contempt for far longer than those with limited legal supports.

RosencrantzisDead - November 3, 2012

I think you have forgotten that this is not the Quinns vs. the plain people of Ireland; it is the Quinns vs. a nameless class of bondholders (admittedly, the people suing are IBRC/the Irish Government but this is done to compensate for monies they paid out to bondholders so you can argue that there is a process of subrogation going on here).

Taking that into account, jailing the Quinns for contempt is not very surprising. By hook or by crook, the money must be recovered and the efforts by the Quinns to avoid this must result in punishment.

4. eamonncork - November 1, 2012

They’ve done a bit more than ‘warn of civil unrest.’ They’ve hinted very heavily that they’ll take revenge if Quinn ends up in jail, a step which even the dodgiest members of the non white collar criminal underworld have managed to refrain from taking in the past. Which makes the man’s tearful X-Factor histrionics all the worse. These would be the very people of course who’d be bemoaning the fact that there’s robbers getting off on technicalities and the guards can’t touch them and the country is destroyed with crime because of it.

RosencrantzisDead - November 2, 2012

I was rather struck with a phrase used at the last march: ‘the true and rightful owners’. It could have come from the mouth of a Byzantine courtier.

5. eamonncork - November 1, 2012

The closest analogy I can think of to the while business is the agitation which followed the Free State government’s clampdown on the poitin trade in the twenties which resulted in a guard being shot dead in Clare (Fanore I think) and a barracks being burned down in Donegal. Mind you, the poitin makers probably didn’t feel as sorry for themselves.

eamonncork - November 1, 2012

I also think CIC are not averse to hinting that they have certain connections to muscle because of their border location and their SF support. I think that happens to be a libel on both the area and the party but it’s implicit in the way they’re carrying on and the way it’s being reported.

6. Branno's ultra-left t-shirt - November 2, 2012

There’s been a low-level campaign of sabotage in the area for the last year. SF issued a fairly-mildly worded condemnation of it. Peter Quinn is a very right-wing man and was complaining about restrictions on ‘risk-takers’ before all this broke. Pity there’s no way the local people who don’t support Quinn can give voice to this. Similarly people in the GAA who are annoyed by Colm O’Rourke etc should speak out too.

7. irishelectionliterature - November 2, 2012
RosencrantzisDead - November 2, 2012

The document is very interesting because it does not say, or even hint at, what the authors of the document (or the Quinn family) want. What is it that the Quinn family want from all of this? You would certainly be none the wiser reading that document or listening to any of the media statements. I once heard somebody state that Irish people developed language to conceal meaning rather than to make it plain. That was, and remains, a nugget of wisdom.

Incidentally, the ‘illegal loans’ bit they push is nonsense. Such loans are lawful if you have shareholders pass a ‘special resolution’ (75% of shareholders vote in favour) and sign a declaration. If these pre-requisites are not met, the loan in question is voidable at the instance of the company, so a conviction would not affect the liability of the Quinn family for the amounts owed.

ejh - November 2, 2012

I once heard somebody state that Irish people developed language to conceal meaning rather than to make it plain. That was, and remains, a nugget of wisdom.

This recalls the saying that if you meet a Galician on the stairs, you don’t know whether he’s going up, or down.

Joe - November 2, 2012

Nice one, ejh. I like it. They’re cousins* of ours, of course. *PS: I don’t really believe that.

eamonncork - November 2, 2012

The idea that the Left should somehow have sympathy for the Quinns, who as Branno pointed out, are extremely right wing people, is guff. It seems to be based on the idea that because they’re going up against the courts they’re anti-authority and are showing ‘the right instincts’ which could somehow be transmuted into some form of socialism.
This is as nuts as suggesting that all the people who went to Ballinspittle and sundry other grottoes were a bit Left wing because they were looking for moving statues even though the church hierarchy didn’t approve of the visions.
What the Quinns want is simple enough, they want to hold on to their money and their businesses and stay out of the courts. I’d be inclined to think that people’s sympathy might be better directed towards the huge numbers of people who end up in jail for relatively minor offences because they don’t have sufficient standing in the community.
Then again I only live in the countryside as opposed to trying to understand it from Dublin.

RosencrantzisDead - November 2, 2012

That is exactly it, but I think it noteworthy that they avoid making this plain. It is easier to arrange a march against ‘the snobs and gangsters in Dublin’ than it is to arrange one ‘to help me keep my money’.

sonofstan - November 2, 2012

The idea that the Left should somehow have sympathy for the Quinns, who as Branno pointed out, are extremely right wing people, is guff. It seems to be based on the idea that because they’re going up against the courts they’re anti-authority and are showing ‘the right instincts’ which could somehow be transmuted into some form of socialism.

I don’t think anyone was suggesting that – what the piece linked above suggested was that metropolitan contempt for ‘rednecks’ supporting Quinn might be a little displaced, since the same logic at a slightly less personalised level is at work in economy as a whole -letting MNCs do what they want because ‘they bring employment’ etc.

sonofstan - November 2, 2012

‘misplaced’

8. maddurdu - November 2, 2012

9 weeks in jail pending appeal.

eamonncork - November 2, 2012
sonofstan - November 2, 2012

SQ would look good in a Nudie suit :)

eamonncork - November 2, 2012

We’d all look good in a Nudie suit (he fantasised).

doctorfive - November 2, 2012
9. irishelectionliterature - November 2, 2012

Doing the rounds at the minute….
(Q) What is Sean Quinn’s favorite pub?
(A) Break for the border.

10. Joe - November 2, 2012

Hold the riots. We’re appealing to the Supreme Court.

CMK - November 2, 2012

So far, so predictable. Quinn snr will likely never see the inside of a jail cell. He’ll probably win his Supreme Court appeal on some procedural point. A textbook example of how in a liberal capitalist ‘democracy’ the ‘rule of law’ serves, as its principal purpose, to protect wealth and privilege. A state which jails people for very minor offences but refuses to jail someone engaged in contempt of court and conspiracy to defy court orders, and attempts publicly to make a virtue of it, is on very thin ice when it comes to attacking those trying to halt austerity who will soon be confronting the state. Not that it’ll stop them, another dreary iteration of the point that in Ireland ‘the rule of law’ is for the little people.

11. Loveyou longtime - November 2, 2012

CMK – please stop embarrassing yourself with your cak handed predications

WorldbyStorm - November 2, 2012

No need for that.

RosencrantzisDead - November 2, 2012

In fairness, CMK’s predictions have been a little off today.

No offense, CMK.

CMK - November 2, 2012

No offence taken. So, he finally gets sent down. I didn’t it would happen but my view has been wrong today. In mitigation he has been shown enormous latitude by the courts so far. Will he do the full 9 months?

Ivorthorne - November 2, 2012

Weeks, not months. And I doubt it!

CMK - November 2, 2012

Sorry, weeks not months. I doubt it too.

12. Jim Monaghan - November 2, 2012

So Quinn got 9 weeks.
Larry Goodman got his company back, no wonder Quin is annoyed.
As for spectre perhaps. I have to say that the far left is not a spectre to anyone.

13. fergal - November 2, 2012

Isn’t Quinn in the place where his campaign needs him to be. Inside.Locked up. A man with a heart condition. Stuck in the clink for Christmas. Contrast this with the crooked banks. How many in jail? How many in court?
How many will turn up at the next rally?

14. Richard - November 2, 2012

I sure am glad I’m never wrong about anything – the thought of being feasted upon by the Hyenas of Correction here is too much to bear.

15. Branno's ultra-left t-shirt - November 2, 2012

You can be wrong about many things Richard, but your unlikely to have been the richest man in Ireland and still have decided to gamble your entire workforces livelihoods on Anglo shares. That’s what Seanie did: rich as fuck but couldn’t get enough. Many of us are staring at mortgages, unemployment, how to get through the christmas. The thought of a shyster like Quinn doing time makes me smile. About fucking time.

Richard - November 2, 2012

I wasn’t talking about Sean Quinn, B.

16. Branno's ultra-left t-shirt - November 2, 2012

I’d like to repeat that- about fucking time. Bring on the civil resistance campaign!

17. Garibaldy - November 3, 2012

This seems to sum up the local attitude well. I had a conversation the other day with someone from Fermanagh who thought that as a socialist I should be pleased to see Quinn exposing corruption in the banks and ought to be supporting him

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/republic-of-ireland/sean-quinn-jailed-lsquosickrsquo-sentence-seen-as-insult-to-loyal-villagers-16233634.html

Roasted Snow - November 4, 2012

Good post. You can see the quandry SF are in here! Isn’t this Peasant Ireland, or Peasant anywhere, though and if we look deeper charactarises the support FF still has in rural areasin the rep? In effect; there’s nothing wrong with a local man made good, who took risks as the individual. This guy brought jobs to the area and recognition? But most importantly as Peasant Ireland would see it, he is entitled to his profits. And that’s the point. There is no class consciousness here. In other words all the locals aspire to be a SQ. That’s the way forward Capitalism. WP, SP and mainstream SF lots of work to do in this area. But this is Peasant mentality Ireland. FF hunting ground if ever there was one.

Starkadder - November 4, 2012

“There is no class consciousness here. In other words all the locals aspire to be a SQ. That’s the way forward Capitalism. WP, SP and mainstream SF lots of work to do in this area. But this is Peasant mentality Ireland. FF hunting ground if ever there was one.”

Dead right.

Garibaldy - November 4, 2012

I take most of your points here, although I’d question whether what you term mainstream SF wants to raise class consciousness. I’m not sure if you mean mainstream as in not RSF, or if you mean mainstream as in the majority within Adams and co. Either way, I don’t think there’s much evidence of any desire to challenge the position of people like Quinn within local communities. Even if he is now a self-proclaimed eejit.

gabbagabbahey - November 4, 2012

“he is entitled to his profits” – or possibly more so (and at least motivating the rallying behind him) more entitled to it than Anglo/IRBC. To play devil’s advocate a bit, these are people alienated from the state – in ways perhaps beyond the classic working-class – to the extent that they’d much rather see local profits distributed, even minusculely, by Sean Quinn than go towards reducing the debts the government took on from a failed bank.

eamonncork - November 4, 2012

Look, Quinn had to be taken to court in 2005 to make him grant a 39 hour working week and proper sick pay and overtime to workers in Quinn Cement. The workers were represented by SIPTU because they were afraid to reveal their identities for fear of victimisation. That’s who Sean Quinn is, that’s what he stands for and always stood for, the right of the local big man to do what he wants.
The main movers in the CIC are also representatives of this gombeen man tendency, they support Quinn for he same reason that Michael Lowry’s supporters support him, a combination of local loyalty and sycophancy. I don’t imagine those Cement workers are out marching for him so his backers are indeed ‘in ways removed from the classic working class.’
Recently a large number of people marched in Skibbereen to protest the reduction of the local ambulance service to a skeleton level. People march about issues like this all the time in Rural Ireland.
I’d have to say that the contortions engaged in by apparently sane people to try and extend some understanding to Quinn and his supporters are the most ludicrous thing I’ve ever read on the CLR, ‘it’s abour profit redistribution’ ‘socialists should support him,’ ‘it’s about bank corruption.’
In the name of Jesus, lads, if someone like Sean Quinn isn’t antithetical to everything ye stand for, who are you left with? Kevin Myers?

Garibaldy - November 4, 2012

Just in case there is any unclarity, I was citing what somebody told me, I was not endorsing those sentiments in the slightest.

Marxman - November 4, 2012

+1

WorldbyStorm - November 4, 2012

eamonncork, I hope it’s not a case of extending any understanding at all to SQ. Just rereading the comments on this thread I can’t find any expression of support for SQ, though I may have missed one. As to his supporters, I think that’s a slightly different matter. At least in so far as trying to find reasons for the identification with him. I agree completely with you re the CIC, they’re just his creature, but those who are marching clearly are there for a whole raft of motivations. I’d imagine it’s fear first and foremost, of losing work, etc, etc. In the context of SQ that’s not great, but it is a natural human response. The big problem is that there’s a clear disconnect between their interests individually and collectively and SQ. I think a central question is how to engage with reconnecting that.

On a very slight tangent I was saying to someone else that to me one of the most disturbing aspects of this is the way it hints at a sort of proto-fascistic response – the stuff about civil unrest, etc, etc.

CMK - November 4, 2012

Has there been an condemnation by the main political parties of the threat of civil unrest? Surely, the ‘rule of law’ crowd in FG and Labour, so voiciferous when it comes to the CAHWT, have issued press statements condemning the CIC and threats made?

gabbagabbahey - November 4, 2012

no one’s denying what Quinn is or what he’s done, or who the ‘main movers’ in the CIC etc. are, but there’s an interest in trying to understand the reasons for the large popular support. and it seems to me that the CIC has latched onto the anti-bank rhetoric to the same degree as the urban left, with probably the same appeal.

the ‘local loyalty and sycophancy’ argument misses the point that there is a frequently expressed genuine disbelief that it’s right to support IBRC/Anglo/the State, all of whom have failed the entire population in profound ways, over Sean Quinn who is perceived to have done a lot of good for his local community (and added to that the perception that he is financially and legally as well as morally in the right, based on his own assertions).

perhaps the search for antitheses hasn’t helped the left very much given the ease with which they can be played off against each other, and the ease with which supporters of the wrong side can be portrayed as mindless dupes. what good is it to say that Quinn is a capitalist oppressor of workers when he’s seen as a local hero who is also fighting against another antithesis of the left, the banks? while stressing that Quinn doesn’t deserve any defending, it might be worthwhile trying to understand how the gombeen defence of him fits into less-gombeenish concerns of the local community.

Ivorthorne - November 4, 2012

The support for Sean Quinn doesn’t take much explaining. The people who support him know that were it not for the employment he provided over the years, many of their communities would have died out. What other major employers operate in the region?

I don’t think this excuses their behaviour and I don’t think it absolves Quinn of his many sins, but it does help to explain why these people march in support of a man who is responsible for many of Ireland’s current problems.

They also believe that Quinn’s decision to locate so many of his businesses was not solely bases on greed, as he could have based some of them elsewhere. They believe that any new owner is likely to move those operations elsewhere. They believe that Quinn has shown some degree of loyalty to the region and now it is in their interests to display loyalty to him.

ejh - November 4, 2012

If people want to see the same sort of reaction, look at any troubled football club when some big rich man comes in – or just offers to come in – and throws his money around. Happens all the time. The adulation, the not caring what corners he’s cut, the calling him by his first name because he’s everybody’s mate, the veiled (and overt) threats to dissenters.

(You know, it’s one thing you get from a lifetime watching sport – a good grounding in real-life capitalist ideology. Or bully-worship, if you will.)

eamonncork - November 5, 2012

This thread is full of thinly veiled excuses, whataboutery, ah buts and so on for Quinn and his supporters, Wbs. Very surprised you can’t see that. It’s pathetic to be honest. I’ve no problem with honest straighforward defences of Quinn but, as a GAA supporting redneck myself, this let’s understand the natives shit gets on my wick.

18. kenny - November 3, 2012

hope the family bring him cake 100 000 would be a nice price to pay for one irish people wise up

19. Branno's ultra-left t-shirt - November 4, 2012

‘The North’s Deputy First Minister, Martin McGuinness, said: “I don’t think anybody who has commented on the career of Sean Quinn has has disputed in any way the remarkable contribution that he has made to the employment prospects of people in the border counties and many have rightly applauded him for giving those people employment.

“I can’t comment on a court case. As a minister, it would be completely inappropriate.

“All I want to say is I think the banks have a lot to answer for.”

As clear as mud?

20. fergal - November 4, 2012

Many have commented on how big an employer Quinn is in Cavan-Fermanagh area. This in an area neglected by Dublin and Belfast.I would say that the state provides a huge amount of employment in the same area,Ivorthorne wants to know of other major employers in the area;what about all the schools,hospitals,county council employees, and semi-states(an post,royal mail,buses,ESB etc).To go back to EamonCork’s earlier point I am pretty sure that these employees have decent working hours and holidays. So how is it that Quinn attracts such loyalty?

CMK - November 4, 2012

Spot on. Thinking the same thing myself and was about to post something along the same lines, but you beat me to it! The state, public sector and semi-states all likely dwarf Quinn’s job creation over the past few years. It’s an irony that the tens of thousands of public sector workers working in the border counties are regarded as a drag on our ‘competitiveness’ and, consequently, should have their pay and conditions of service cut as ruthlessly as possible; while the thousands who work for Quinn are regarded as victims of state neglect because on he provided them with jobs and yet his actions could cost the state billions, and will cost purchasers of insurance billions over the next 20 years, and the loss of revenue caused by Quinn will lead to even further reductions in public service provision in those counties. Quinn is also a paradigmatic example of the dangers posed by allowing one individual, or small groups of individuals, such economic power that their mistakes can have drastic consequences for others. Finally, Quinn’s alleged prowess as a job-creator, and the ‘loyalty’ due to him on that account, pivots on the unlikely scenario that every job currently in Quinn company will be lost if the family’s travails at the hands of IBRC continue. That’s extremely unlikely to happen and many of the Quinn companies are well run operations (I have knowledge of one) and they are well run by the workers there, not by the Quinn’s who are probably clueless about the operational dynamics that underpinned their billions. Some jobs may well be lost in Quinn companies over the coming years, but from what I can see many parts of his former empire will be taken over by some other capitalist who may well run things a little less recklessly. The carping from the border regions about the Quinn’s betrays the extent to which the factories, quarries, processing plants, insurance offices that the Quinn created, and the expertise they hired to many profits for them, remain in place and are probably very attractive to other capitalists who have a ready made infrastructure to take over and pick up where the Quinn’s left off. So, the ‘woe is us, our great man is brought down and we forever doomed’ is over done.

Finally, finally, it’s noteworthy that Quinn was no great innovator. He took traditional enough products and processes (cement, insulation materials, glass, insurance, quarry products) and built from there using a combination of ruthlessness and exploited the ‘local man done good’ legend for all it was worth. He hasn’t created an industry or product range which places this country in prime position in X or Y field. And from what I know of Quinn’s modus operandi in the past he muscled into well established product markets and then used his wealth and capacity to borrow over the long term to force others out of the market. He probably closed down more competitors and cost more jobs that he created with his own companies if you wanted to look at this record over 40 years.

gabbagabbahey - November 5, 2012

“He probably closed down more competitors and cost more jobs that he created with his own companies if you wanted to look at this record over 40 years” … sounds like Romney. and I’d reckon Quinn would get elected if there happened to be a bye-election in Cavan about now – i.e. especially if he was still in prison.

to be fair the public sector, by its inherently limited nature our economic make-up and the lack of major central government functions in the area, isn’t going to provide enough employment by itself – but it provides a base or even a healthy boost. it’d be interesting to see the extent of financial transfers between the state and the county, i.e. (like those US states which are heavy on the anti-government rhetoric) are they net beneficiaries or contributors. I’m definitely not opposed to wealthy urban areas of the country subsidising poorer rural ones (as long as wealthier rural and poorer urban ones are equally included, of course), as it’s the same principle as progressive income taxation, but it does undermine the ‘poor mouth’ argument. However, if the successful local capitalist simultaneously receives generous tax breaks etc. while investment in regional infrastructure, or balancing national development, isn’t made effectively – ultimately it helps cement (pun unintended) the local client-mentality. What has Quinn done to make the region attractive to other businesses, and not just ones supported by his own? But it’s not until someone can make the persuasive case that bodies (public or private) other than Quinn can provide significant extra employment in the area that people will lose their loyalty to Quinn, or so it seems.

Ivorthorne - November 5, 2012

But it isn’t just Quinn who attracts this kind of loyalty, is it? Look at Lowry, Bertie, Healy-Rae and their ilk. It’s not the state that attracts loyalty for providing local employment, but the gombeen politicians who claim credit (sometimes correctly) for having a public service located in an area.

Besides, were Quinn’s old businesses to leave the region, there would be an increase in emigration which could be expected to lead to more cuts in public services e.g. teacher numbers, Garda stations etc.

21. A Friend - November 4, 2012

I read with interest in Look Left magazine that in 1993 out of 280 employees in the Sean Quinn Group only 6 were Protestants. Quite clear what was going on here, a tribal boss recruiting workers through GAA networks with a nod and a wink support for the ‘boys’ – the tribal hordes are now out marching for him with the same amount of logic that you apply to following a county team or joining a sectarian mob on a rampage.

22. maddurdu - November 5, 2012

Theres a bit of commotion in Derrylin at the moment apparently.

23. Jim Monaghan - November 5, 2012

So we have Quinn representing a sort “progressive” national bourgeoisie as opposed to the Bankers. I suppose they will add in the poor builders. And why not the “wearing the green jersey” Fitzpatrick.
WE have only a parasitic compradoor bourgeoisie.
I fail to see why de3cent marxists and socialists can delude themselves that SF in government will do any different.

24. Branno's ultra-left t-shirt - November 5, 2012

Striking for your boss……

‘Scores of workers staged a one-day walk-out at Quinn Direct, Quinn Packaging and the Quinn Cement plants in the Derrylin and Ballyconnell areas of Co Fermanagh and Co Cavan.

Gardaí said tractors and other agricultural vehicles were being used to block the entrances to the premises and surrounding roads.

The PSNI also confirmed it was aware of a protest at Ballyconnell Road in Derrylin, Co Fermanagh.

In a statement, the protesters said they are “angered and dismayed at the ongoing senseless and damaging dispute” between Anglo and the Quinn family. They demanded mediation between the Quinn family and IBRC and for Mr Quinn to be released from jail during the talks.

“We have no interest in covering old ground and we make no pronouncements on the rights and wrongs of either party in this pointless dispute,” said a statement issued by Quinn Group employees, local businesses and communities.

“We demand, however, a resolution that will save our jobs, our communities and our future livelihoods.”

One witness told The Irish Times roads in the area were blocked and she was laughed at and verbally abused by protesters as she tried to drive past.

“Every road was blocked in and out of Ballyconnell to Derrylin and Lisnaskea and no amount of talking was to be done,” she said. “When I said why was I being punished I was told that people have to be sacrificed to make a point. Licence plates were removed from all machinery and everyone denied ownership and refused to move them.”

Garibaldy - November 5, 2012

According to one of the protestors, Quinn should be out of jail to get the economy going again. I suspect sales of the Sindo in that area may be high.


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