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Protests and Vigils for Savita Praveen November 14, 2012

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Protest at the Dáil at 6.00 pm this evening.

There is also a Protest at The Irish Embassy in London this evening at 6.

In Cork, a vigil and protest will take place this evening (14th) at 7 pm at the Cork Opera House.

A vigil and protest will take place at City Hall in Belfast on Thursday (15th) at 5.30pm.

There’s a protest at 1 pm on Friday in Cork, Daunt Square.

A candlelit vigil for Savita will be taking place on Saturday November 17th at 5.00pm at ‘Browne’s Doorway’ Eyre Square, Galway City. Organised by Galway Pro-Choice.

Limerick, O’Connell Street, Saturday at 3

A Candle lit vigil will also Take place in Dublin on Saturday assembling at 4 in Parnell Square

From the Guardian:

Rachel Donnelly, a spokeswoman for pro-choice campaigners in Galway said: “This was an obstetric emergency which should have been dealt with in a routine manner. Yet Irish doctors are restrained from making obvious medical decisions by a fear of potentially severe consequences.

“As the European court ruled, as long as the 1861 Act remains in place, alongside a complete political unwillingness to touch the issue, pregnant women will continue to be unsafe in this country.”

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1. dmfod - November 14, 2012

So angry about this – that women in Ireland are being denied the right to life in Ireland in 2012 for the sake of religion is an utter disgrace. Protest at the Dail at 6pm this evening.

http://www.facebook.com/events/306835169430369/

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2. sonofstan - November 14, 2012

Guardian headline: ‘Scandal in Ireland as woman dies in galway ‘after being denied abortion’

RTE.ie headline ‘Woman dies after miscarriage in Galway hospital’.

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3. irishelectionliterature - November 14, 2012

They had their chance to legislate earlier in the year. 10 TDs voted in favour. The rest against.
http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2012041900006?opendocument

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sonofstan - November 14, 2012

20 Tá, not 10.

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4. irishelectionliterature - November 14, 2012

http://www.thejournal.ie/savita-death-abortion-x-case-ireland-673744-Nov2012/?utm_source=shortlink
LABOUR SENATOR IVANA Bacik has said that the death of Savita Praveen Halappanavar after she suffered a miscarriage shows a clear need to legislate for the X Case in Ireland………

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CMK - November 14, 2012

Bacik should keep her mouth shut (a very difficult thing for her to do). She had a chance, or at least her parliamentary party had, to vote in favour of legislation for the X case and she refused. I think this dreadful event can be attributed to Labour squarely. My view of the Labour party has hardened into the kind of hatred I have for FF and FG. It’s telling that he comes out the same day that a Labour minister makes a big play about going after ‘fraud’ in the free travel pass scheme. They’re expecting praise for going after a frankly negligible problem while a young woman loses her life in circumstances where if Labour had had the courage of their convictions she wouldn’t have. It’s also gruesome to contemplate the lectures from Labour politicians about the ‘irresponsibility’ of those organising the CAHWT in advocating non-payment when no-one is going to lose their lives over the household tax issue, regardless of how it progresses. While one woman, that we know of, has lost her life and more will sadly to do because of Labour’s irreponsibility to support Clare Daly’s bill or to initiate legislation itself. Finally, it sickening to see the outcome of cheap political sentiments. Labour wouldn’t row in behind Daly’s bill because of who was proposing it and we can now see the consequences.

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Mark P - November 14, 2012

We’ll be hearing a lot from Bacik over the next while, as with her past and her fortunate position as a Senator who didn’t have a vote on the Bill, she’s the closest thing Labour have to a clean pair of hands given that their whole Dail party trooped out to vote down legislation. She’s already been on the radio today claiming with an extraordinary cynicism that Labour are a “pro choice party”.

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5. CL - November 14, 2012

Murdered by catholicism. Ireland desperately needs a modernization movement to rid it of backwardness and medievalism.

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6. neilcaff - November 14, 2012

I feel physically ill after reading what happened to that poor woman and the doubly cruel blow her husband now has to bear.

Nothing exposes the absurdity of the notion that “life” (or in reality, full citizenship with all the rights that go with it) begins at the moment of conception than the horrific reality that a young woman was allowed to to suffer an agonising death for TWO AND A HALF FUCKING DAYS while doctors waited for a dying foetuses heart to stop!

Lets be absolutely clear, all those TD’s who voted against (or worse couldn’t be bothered to turn up) the Bill put down by Clare Daly killed this woman.

That’s right we’re looking at you Labour Party with your contemptible line that Clare’s legislation didn’t go far enough. We’re also looking at you Sinn Fein. Seems you are well able to take ‘brave’ decisions when it comes to privatising public services up North but when it comes down to a ‘left’ party facing down it’s own troglodyte Catholic tendency your bravery deserts you.
Most of all though we are looking at the political home of this backward, medieval Catholic thinking that dominates social policy at the “top” of society Fianna Fail and Fine Gael.
You killed this woman but hey, at least Enda kept his promise to the Irish Catholic http://www.politico.ie/component/content/article/4035.html

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Mark P - November 14, 2012

Just to clarify one point there Neil, although I agree with the bulk of your post, Sinn Fein did actually vote for the Bill. They have a very weak position on abortion, not supporting a right to choose in principle and voting against attempts to introduce the rights women have in Britain to the North, but they, like Labour, are formally in favour of legislating for X. And they, unlike Labour, did actually vote in line with that commitment.

At least most of them did. Quite a few of them didn’t show up. Pearse Doherty, who signed the Pro-Life pledge before the Donegal by-election was amongst those who didn’t turn up, but he had a very good excuse (it was the day of his father’s funeral).

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LeftAtTheCross - November 14, 2012

SF’s Peader Toibin, Meath West, also didn’t show up for the vote.

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sonofstan - November 14, 2012

Nor did Jonathan O’Brien, Caoimhghin Ó Caolain, or Sandra McLellan.

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neilcaff - November 14, 2012

That’s my point. If it were a crucial vote on PFI up North the Shinners would be cracking the whip and free votes be damned.

When it comes to the health and safety of women… not so much.

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Blissett - November 14, 2012

CÓC was representing party at Pearse’ father’s funeral, if my memory serves correctly and whatever about other SF TDs, he could definitely have been counted upon for the Bill.

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WorldbyStorm - November 15, 2012

That’s good to hear Blissett…

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sonofstan - November 14, 2012

Didn’t know that Blissett – happy to be corrected

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7. Tawdy - November 14, 2012

So angry about this, my comments would have to be deleted.

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maddurdu - November 14, 2012

+1

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WorldbyStorm - November 14, 2012

Completely agree.

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8. Jim Monaghan - November 14, 2012

Look at the rearguard defence of symphisiotomy by the medical establishment for an example of coverups.Note how heriditary medicine is in this country.

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9. sonofstan - November 14, 2012

Lets be absolutely clear, all those TD’s who voted against (or worse couldn’t be bothered to turn up) the Bill put down by Clare Daly killed this woman.

Yes.

Here is the list of TDs who voted for Clare Daly’s bill:

Gerry Adams
Joan Collins
Sean Crowe
Stephen Donnelly
Martin Ferris
John Halligan
Padraig Mac Lochlainn
Catherine Murphy
Aengus Ó Snodaigh
Brian Stanley
Richard Boyd Barrett
Michael Colreavy
Clare Daly
Dessie Ellis
Luke Flanagan
Joe Higgins
Mary Lou McDonald
Patrick Nulty
Maureen O’Sullivan
Mick Wallace

If a TDs name isn’t there they voted against or didn’t show up. I suggest you let them know what you think of that.

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Tawdy - November 14, 2012

In total agreement with this.

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10. Mark P - November 14, 2012

There’s a protest at 1 pm on Friday in Cork, Daunt Square. There’s also a vigil at the Opera House tonight at 7 pm.

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11. Mark P - November 14, 2012

And a protest march at 4 PM on Saturday, in Dublin, starting at the Garden of Remembrance.

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12. doctorfive - November 14, 2012

You have to wonder about people who’s seemingly first instinct is another stick to bash the public sector.

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13. Mark P - November 14, 2012

Another protest: Limerick, O’Connell Street, Saturday at 3.

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Florrie O'Donoghue - November 16, 2012

I, of course, support these vigils. But I have to question the timing of the Limerick event; isn’t Bill Clinton due in Limerick that day?

http://www.thejournal.ie/bill-clinton-limerick-talk-609044-Sep2012/

Will it be possible to go ahead with this?

Is mise srl.,

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14. Mark P - November 14, 2012

It might be worth putting all of the protest details together in the main post, WbS?

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irishelectionliterature - November 14, 2012

Just added a few of the protests ,

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Mark P - November 14, 2012

Thanks IEL

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WorldbyStorm - November 14, 2012

Good idea Mark P, apologies was in work where I can’t actually access the site.

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15. Gearóid - November 14, 2012

Behind the scenes Galway Pro-Choice has done a lot of hard work in bringing this to light, brilliant bunch of activists.

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WorldbyStorm - November 14, 2012

+1

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18. Alanna K - November 14, 2012
19. Dr. X - November 14, 2012

I strongly suspect that if this woman had been white and Irish – and that if she had the right social connections to the medical profession – she would have got the procedure she needed.

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Wendy Lyon - November 15, 2012

I can’t comment on the “right social connections” aspect, but there are definitely white Irish women who have been denied in this situation as well.

I doubt that a white Irish woman would have been told to fuck off because “this is a Catholic country”, though.

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WorldbyStorm - November 15, 2012

It’s a particularly noxious added element to what is already a totally pernicious and appalling happening.

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20. maddurdu - November 14, 2012

There is the usual hypocrisy and then there is this…

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maddurdu - November 14, 2012

sorry wrong thread

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que - November 14, 2012

maddurdu,

wrong thread but the right thread in a way. The two issues are not unconnected.

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21. Irishelectionliterature - November 14, 2012

Just on the bus after attending the protest at the dail. Huge crowd and For a demo organised so swiftly it was some crowd.Speakers were excellent with special praise for clare daly. Hopefully the rats in leinster house got the message.

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22. gfmurphy101 - November 14, 2012

Reblogged this on gfmurphy101.

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23. sonofstan - November 14, 2012

Great crowd, excellent speeches, Clare especially.

Gardai caught on the hop and for a while a lone cop was attempting to keep the crowd on the pavement and traffic moving, before bowing to the inevitable which meant a few unfortunate drivers and two buses got stuck on Kildare St. for the best part of an hour.

Some hilarity around me when it was announced that students from NCAD were on their way, and that we should wait for them: comment about typical student punctuality, and about how they were working really hard on their placards……

Big cheer at the news of a few hundred protesting in London outside the embassy.

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sonofstan - November 14, 2012

Just to add, I met a few people beforehand and at it that I’d barely seen in 20 years – since the X-case march in fact. People not generally ‘political’ and who probably haven’t marched much before or since

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WorldbyStorm - November 14, 2012

I think that this has caught a nerve, in part because it so clearly goes against the discourse that has come to typify the issue, one where it’s black and white, abortion wrong, no possibility of the woman’s health being at risk, ‘best and safest maternity care in the world’ and so forth.

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RosencrantzisDead - November 15, 2012

I arrived late as I had been in work. Good on all who attended and all of those who spoke.

Is anyone else watching Vincent Brown? Caroline Simons makes my skin crawl.

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24. pasianario - November 14, 2012

More needs to be made of the fact that Leo Varadkar is on record as holding views which are identical to Todd Akin and Richard Mourdock. He is on record as saying that he opposes abortion even in cases of rape:

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/kfkfidqlgbau/rss2/

Mourdock and Akin were soundly beaten in Indiana and Missouri, red states which voted overwhelmingly for Romney. But Varadkar wins easily in Dublin West. What’s going on there?

I suspect many other members of Fine Gael (some of them in cabinet) and Fianna Fail also believe that abortion should be illegal even in cases of rape. They need to be exposed and pursued on this relentlessly. Voters must be informed of the abhorrent views held by their representatives.

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WorldbyStorm - November 14, 2012

I didn’t realise he held that view. Very telling, isn’t it?

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25. sonofstan - November 14, 2012
26. Kevin - November 14, 2012

Typical of the left to exploit this. Even on one protest they were selling their newspapers.Disgusting.

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sonofstan - November 14, 2012

Why?

How we are exploiting this? Something awful happens precisely because the change in the law we have been advocating to give effect to a supreme court judgment has been avoided by SEVEN governments, over 20 years, and we are not supposed to point this out? You might as well criticise the RSA for using accident statistics or actual stories of carnage on the roads in pursuit of their agenda. Learning from stuff that happens is what makes a person/ a society/ a state mature, not blindly affirming that things ought to be otherwise than they are because of some noumenal ‘fact’.

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WorldbyStorm - November 15, 2012

+1 sos

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Mark P - November 15, 2012

Yeah, that disgusting left turning up to an abortion rights protest, as the only political force in Irish society which has consistently supported abortion rights. How utterly disgraceful. I mean, so what if the left were the people to put this issue back on the political agenda and the only people to actually introduce legislation to give effect to the X ruling in more than 20 years? They shouldn’t introduce politics to this discussion.

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Wendy Lyon - November 15, 2012

Not forgetting that some of us on the left are actually women ourselves, and face the risk of dying like Savita should we face her situation, which – believe it or not – we find concerning on a very personal level.

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WorldbyStorm - November 15, 2012

That very point was made to me last night – unfortunately Kevin above appears to believe all this is an abstract.

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RosencrantzisDead - November 15, 2012

Ah now, Mark P; you know you should not rely on real world examples or facts when dealing with situations like this. Balance has to be given to both sides and reliance on evidence is just unfair to the anti-choice crowd.

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27. irishelectionliterature - November 15, 2012

Headline in the India Times….
“Ireland Murders Pregnant Indian Dentist”
http://www.indiatimes.com/europe/ireland-murders-pregnant-indian-dentist-47214.html

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CMK - November 15, 2012

This will run and run and have all sorts of consequences. One, which I think will take the shine off all of the happy-clappy Enterprise Ireland marketing, will be the presumed reluctance of highly qualified non-Irish women to come to work here either as managers or executives or in the public sector. Life is tough enough for non-Irish as it is, this is only another, important, dimension to it. Savvy foreigners will see behind the marketing to the medieval reality of Ireland after this event. ‘The Gathering’ etc, cloak a shabby reality.

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28. revolutionaryprogramme - November 15, 2012

Women in Ireland need much more than just legislation on the X-Case. Even we had that in place it is quite possible that Savita would still have been denied a termination, just now with the doctors having “legal certainty” rather than just acting out of fear – https://revolutionaryprogramme.wordpress.com/2012/11/15/legal-certainty-legislation-on-the-x-case-or-womens-right-to-choose/

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