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What you want to say… Open Thread, 14th November, 2012 November 14, 2012

Posted by WorldbyStorm in Uncategorized.
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As always, following on Dr. X’s suggestion, it’s all yours, “announcements, general discussion, whatever you choose”, feel free.

Can I just take the opportunity to thank everyone who contributes to this and other threads. It’s really appreciated. And can I encourage anyone who wants to comment but hasn’t so far to do so.

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1. Wendy Lyon - November 14, 2012

RIP Savita Praveen Halappanavar.

sonofstan - November 14, 2012

Protest at the Dail at 6pm this evening. May be something in Galway as well.

WorldbyStorm - November 14, 2012

+1 Wendy.

Richard - November 14, 2012

+1

que - November 14, 2012

I cant imagine what that poor man must be feeling now. RIP Savita.

2. ejh - November 14, 2012

The Chief Whip, the mayor, the Flying Lizard, the chess correspondent, the Bishop, the football chairman and the House of Lords dinner.

3. Red Hand - November 14, 2012

Don’t want to divert from the terrible Galway case but I was meaning to ask a couple of weeks ago: has there been any public statement from the left- ULA, SP. SWP, PBP etc on the Sean Quinn situation? The impression I get is that people think that support for Quinn is confined to a few thousand Cavan/Fermanagh backwoodsmen and who really cares about them anyway. There are workers up there too you know and the left could put a case forward that they are being used by the Quinns.

Jim Monaghan - November 14, 2012

I am afraid they would just regard the ULA as part of an urban conspiracy against “decent” folk. Anyway look at the difficulaty had distancing itself from the small Quinn called Wallace.

que - November 14, 2012

an urban conspiracy! Seriously Jim you cant really think thats what people think.

Surely is it not closer to being – the Quinns brought jobs here those people complaining didnt do sweet fu%% all.

I’d say tis a case of the latter. I cant stand the Quinns but I dont think there should be any fooling ourselves that the ULA is disregarded for any other reason than they, and their constituent parts, have zero purchase outside of the cites and thats alot to do with having no interest in being outside the cities.

Or it could be that the yokels fear an urban conspiracy.

4. Starkadder - November 14, 2012

I found these interesting pieces on a little-known part of Mexican
history:

For example, during the Revolution, in 1911, revolutionaries killed nearly three hundred Chinese in the northern city of Torreón, Coahuila. And by 1916 Chinese immigration to Sonora was prohibited.

http://americanaejournal.hu/vol6no1/bloch-ortoll


On a spring day in 1911, local merchants went on a rampage in the Mexican city of Torreón, Coahuila. They slaughtered hundreds of illegal Chinese immigrants, and 20 years later, most Chinese residents had been driven out of the country.

From 30,000 at its peak, the Chinese population was decimated to a mere 3,000 in Mexico.

http://www.dailybruin.com/article/2011/01/neglected_history_of_chinese_community_in_mexico_recognised_in_assistant_professor_robert_chao_romer

Jim Monaghan - November 14, 2012

If you read Babel even the Bolsheviks had difficulties with anti semitism. Shows the need for a conscious party or parties to direct the genuine anger of teh masses in the right direction.

FergusD - November 14, 2012

Starkadder,
So who killed the Chinese in Torreon in 1911 – revolutionaries or local merchants? Or were the local merchants revolutionaries?

Starkadder - November 14, 2012

FergusD, the Torreón massacre seems to have been carried out by a mix of revolutionaries and local residents:

. In 1911 during the country’s revolution, fermented by a xenophobic mentality, over 300 Chinese and Japanese, mostly merchants, were slaughtered by rebel troops aided by mobs of local citizenry in the Massacre of Torreon, Coahuila.

http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art177929.asp

Maderista forces entered Torreón on May 13, 1911, and two days later, they defeated the Mexican army. On May 15, Madero’s forces and civilian mobs targeted Chinese homes and businesses.

Many Chinese residents were killed and robbed. Their private residences and business were ransacked and destroyed. About 300 Chinese lost their lives.

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/history-of-chinese-in-mexico-documented-179351.aspx

FergusD - November 14, 2012

OK. As Jim M commented above “revolutionary” situations can easily lead to the unleashing of racial hatred. And I agree with Jim that political leadership is required. Trouble is we can all agree how hard that is!

5. irishelectionliterature - November 14, 2012

Foxrock Local History Club has what looks like two interesting talks on 20th Novemeber in Foxrock Pastoral Centre. at 8.00

The short Talk
James Byrne -A 1913 Labour Activist in Dún Laoghaire

(This almost forgotten local man had a very significant bearing on the events of 1913 and all that followed)

And the Main Talk
The Prison Hulk in Dún Laoghaire and the British/American war of 1812-1918
By Dónal Ó Súilleabháin

( We may have heard of the prison ships in the song ‘The fields of Athenry’ but this prison hulk which was anchored in Kingstown Harbour has an extraordinary history which takes us back to the days of privateers and the little known Anglo american war of 1812. and what about its anchor? Is that it that is still in Dún Laoghaire. Dónal’s extraordinary journeys of research will open up this story…)

Admission; € 4.00

6. que - November 14, 2012

Restless and thankless natives show no thanks for the men who brought them civilisation and the finery of life.

Frankly the vote is wasted on them. Better cancel it.

Who can already spot that I am talking about Stephen Collin’s piece on the referendum.

A masterclass:
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2012/1112/1224326471015.html

Short while back I heard him talking about economics and that man doesnt know his arse from his elbow. Fair play to him for getting so far on so little.

7. gfmurphy101 - November 14, 2012

Am trying (it seems in vain) to draw attention to the recent referendum in Iceland (even try googling it and you will see its getting very little media exposure ….I wonder why???) This piece will give the gist of it
Voters in Iceland back new constitution, more resource control http://ca.news.yahoo.com/voters-iceland-back-constitution-more-control-142947537.html
What annoys me is that ……everyone in the ‘celebrity economist and the 1% media spin circuit’ have the ears burnt off us telling us how we should do as Iceland does…..but when Iceland has a referendum and votes “80 percent had voted to declare all non-privately owned natural resources as “national property”…….there follows a media wall of silence. Not really surprised there is nothing in the SINDO rag but …….any comments??

que - November 14, 2012

I’m sure someone will reblog it on their site.

have patience!

By the way Iceland isnt like other countries. They still retain a very strong sense of being Icelanders and regarding themselves as being part of the community of icelanders.

likely a functionn of their size but certainly got that vibe from them

8. Tomboktu - November 15, 2012
9. doctorfive - November 15, 2012

Exam body left red faced after a doctored artwork depicting a huge robot aiding Russian Revolution was accidentally included in this year’s year 12 history exam taken by 5700 students.

http://www.theage.com.au/national/education/history-transformed-in-vce-exam-20121114-29ce7.html#ixzz2CI9h09DN


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