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What you want to say… Christmas Week 2013 December 26, 2013

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It’s that strange time between Christmas and New Years but as always, following on Dr. X’s suggestion, it’s all yours, “announcements, general discussion, whatever you choose”, feel free.

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1. Bruno - December 26, 2013

The chain stores and the chain supermarkets have the lion’s share of the retail and distributive trade. Thousands of family retailers depend on contracts with Londis, Spar and other firms to keep themselves in business, and their lines are largely tied to what their sponsoring suppliers deem fit to supply. What are the chances of co-op grocery stores coming into being, similar to co-op building supply stores tied to the co-op movement? I seem to remember that there was a ‘people’s hotel’ and some sort of co-op store in the famous Glencolumbkill enterprise in south-west Donegal during the 1960-1985 period of Fr. James McDyer, but I am not sure how things are nowadays. Also, in cities I feel there may be scope for co-op indie shops selling CD and DVD movies as well as books and recyclables. Activists spend a lot of time defending living standards etc. but maybe some could put time into figuring out possibilities for localised alternatives to exploitative and monopolistic business.

Happy New Year everybody.

Sam - December 26, 2013

The chance to make a co-op grocery store is very good if there will be a choice to pay the shop workers less wages than every other man or woman. You will have fight the exploitative and monopolistic business and every person who does not work in your co-op grocer has chance work in the exploiting and monopolizing business. For each of them who wont work for the expoiter a person can be found to work for his low wage and if not in Ireland then in Britain and if not there then in France and if not there then somewhere and when he works big business will celebrate his drive to work for little wages and meantime your co-op is bust.
Welcome to today. The Co-op indie shop does not fit.

workers republic - December 27, 2013

Ballycotten Fishermen Co-op is going strong, we get all our fish and spuds at their shop.
I met James Mac Dyer when visiting the Folk Village there in 1970, that Co-op was a great success at the time due to the vision of Fr Mac Dyer,but also the hard work of Jimmy Mac Giolla Ceara . Jimmy was dedicated Republican who believed in socialist/co-operative principles. These were the principles of Eire Nua: Economic Resistance, which was rejected by the Adams Leadership of S.F. it wasn’t radical enough! mareeaa. Now they are promoting neo-liberalism ,PPIs and dependence on US Capitalism.
More than ever we need the spirit of people like Mac Dyer and Jimmy.
Local Farmers Markets are a viable alternative to supermarkets and chain-stores for buying food.

workers republic - December 27, 2013

We got all our fruit and veg, cheese, organic pate and freerange goose at our local Farmers Market. We got our local organic ham from a neighbour who keep freerange pigs. Our local butcher supplied the spiced beef. I avoid supermarkets as much as possible.
Ath-bhlian Fe mhaith agaibh

Bruno - December 27, 2013

The Dublin Food Co-op has thrived for over twenty-five years. The current co-op scene, outside the bounds of the lucrative creamery business, deserves research and write-ups in a website like Cedar Lounge.

Parents in a few towns have run second-hand school textbook shops in order to get around the high prices of educational materials needed by their children.

If well-known charity shops can use voluntary labour then perhaps local co-op thrift shop initiatives might follow suit.

2. Enya Rand - December 26, 2013

Follow the money here, to get an idea of how contemporary capitalism is structured.

Not particularly:

1. $21 Trillion in offshore tax havens.
2. $14.7 Trillion US foreign debt.
3. $15 Trillion – size of the global financial crisis
4. Size of the “War on Terror/Drugs/whatever your having this decade”

Actually much of the data is a couple of years old.

3. ivorthorne - December 26, 2013

I see that Big Phil has started forcing dole recipients to work for councils for free. I lie. They get 20 euro extra per week.

CMK - December 26, 2013

With the agreement of ‘unions’…….

ivorthorne - December 26, 2013

Any guesses on the ‘unions’ involved?

CMK - December 26, 2013

Tried to find out on twitter but made no definitive headway; IMPACT and SIPTU main suspects. No co-incidence that this release two days before Christmas. Someone, it could have been here on CLR, made the point recently that the whole concept of a ‘job’ is under sustained attack and ‘Jobsbridge’ clears the ground for ‘Gateway’, which will be augmented by other, worse, initiatives. Simultaneously, we see the corrosive inroads being made by the intern culture quite apart from the formalised schemes. You yourself, Ivor, have posted on this in relation to positions in psychology services. Without a co-ordinated fightback from the unions working standards will continue to be degraded. But we have a conundrum when the unions are complicit with, advocates for and active agents in this process. The only solution is to step outside the formal bureaucracy to try to counter this……

workers republic - December 27, 2013

Reply to Ivor :
Not Independent Workers Union . IWU is strongly opposed to low wage slavery and passed a motion to that effect at it’s AGM .

4. Jim Monaghan - December 26, 2013

This is interesting on how it shows what a small organisation can do. The USA SWP played a leading role in the anti Vietnam war movement. Alas, it is not a total sect.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/12/26/socialism-then-and-now/

5. Jim Monaghan - December 26, 2013
6. Tomboktu - December 27, 2013

My quote of the day (well, yesterday actually, but I only saw it today).

I usually think the “centre-left”, which used to be the centre-right or even further out to the right before neo-liberalism shifted the central point sharply so that it made Genghis Khan look downright reasonable, are gutless wonders who pretend to be progressives if it allows them to extra personal rents (rewards) and/or gain position of power in non-conservative political parties.

From here.

ejh - December 27, 2013

it’d be a better quote if it were literate. If he’s going to say “which” (rather than “who”) he can’t really follow it with “are gutless wonders”, not because it’s incorrect from a pedantic view but because you start flailing around trying to work out what’s being said.

7. Tomboktu - December 27, 2013

I wonder of the release of the 1983 state papers will be more restricted than usual since two ministers that year — Noonan and Quinn — are ministers today, or do they get released regardless of whether the individuals concerned are still in government.

RosencrantzisDead - December 27, 2013

A quote from here:

There are six phone-tapping files in all: four from the Department of the Taoiseach and two from the attorney general’s office. There is no file from the Department of Justice, where all of the activities took place. When questioned about the absence of any files from the department, an official in the National Archives volunteered that the department said it had neither the manpower nor the time to supply them in time.

Someone could FOI these files, couldn’t they? Or would they still be subject to the cabinet confidentiality/Chatham House rule?

WorldbyStorm - December 27, 2013

That’s a fairly shocking admission/apologia from the NA.

WorldbyStorm - December 27, 2013

BTW, a lot of food for thought in that release of state papers both here and in the Uk.

Tomboktu - December 27, 2013

Although it’s not the NA’s fault, it’s the fault of the Department of Justice.

WorldbyStorm - December 27, 2013

Apologies, I misread it. It is indeed as you say the DoJ’s fault and no fault at all of the NA.

8. doctorfive - December 27, 2013
CL - December 28, 2013

“consolidation of mainstream ideology and opinion”-well at least we don’t have the need for this type of group think in the U.S. or in Ireland.
And journalists “must consciously recognize and shoulder the historic mission of realizing the China Dream,” So there is a Chinese dream as well as an American dream. But alas there is no Irish dream.
Stephen Collins points out in today’s I.T. that although with the help of the Troika the recovery programme has been completed on time, there is a danger that myths about the past will hold back progress. For too long the Irish myth of violence and blood sacrifice held back the country but now having successively exited the bailout there is danger that another false narrative is being constructed.
To counter these dangers and ensure ongoing modernisation it is surely necessary to create an Irish dream; it is time for a Commission to Create an Irish Dream chaired perhaps by Dr. Maureen Gaffney.

9. State Papers from 1983 released this week… | The Cedar Lounge Revolution - December 27, 2013

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10. Starkadder - December 29, 2013

Colin Wilson whom I’m sure some of us have read, died a
few weeks ago. Ken MacLeod has a fascinating piece
about Colin here:

http://aeon.co/magazine/world-views/colin-wilson-the-permanent-outsider/

CL - December 29, 2013

When he was 16 Terry Eagleton was suffering from adolescent, existential angst, but “found solace, however, in the appearance of Colin Wilson’s The Outsider in 1956. It was one of the first books I ever bought, and I can still recall the awe with which I read on the dust jacket the portentous words “This is the most remarkable book on which this reviewer has ever had to pass judgment”.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/04/book-changed-me-colin-wilson-outsider

11. Jim Monaghan - January 1, 2014

Maurice’s book deserves a readership

Review: Ireland Exceptional & Unexpected
Maurice Coakley, Ireland in the World Order: A History of Uneven Development, Pluto Press. London, 2012.

D.R.O’Connor Lysaght

23 December 2013
http://www.socialistdemocracy.org/RecentArticles/RecentReviewIrelandInTheWorldOrder.html


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