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Election 2007. Nothing to see here folks…keep moving along May 24, 2007

Posted by WorldbyStorm in Irish Election 2007, Irish Politics.

Well, this is strange. We’re in the eye of the hurricane, as it were, with one swirling mass of electoral chaos behind us, and another just ahead. Although the last person I pointed that out to was Cael on Politics.ie who was subsequently banned…so perhaps he hit the chaos a bit earlier than everyone else.

I’m a little frustrated by RTÉ’s insistence on having an Exit Poll on Morning Ireland…the next day, for the love of God! But then again, it would only generate excitement amongst the one or two superheated spinners on a few threads on Politics.ie, so perhaps it’s for the best.

Did my duty already, voted for the four progressive candidates in the constituency and threw in a surprise 5th preference which will do the lucky candidate no good at all…

It was sixish, so the voting was fairly brisk. A steady stream of voters into the converted hall where the Polling “Place” was. Didn’t they used to be stations?

And who should be hovering around outside but our Taoiseach, Bertie Ahern, looking fairly dapper it has to be said in a grey pinstripe and being – I kid you not – accosted in a sort of low level way by well wishers. That this was taking place literally a stones throw from the Sinn Féin offices on North Strand added a certain poignancy to the occasion. Particularly in the form of SF party workers who were craning out the gate to see Bertie in the flesh. One wonders was he spending ten or fifteen minutes at every polling ‘place’? And in what order? How does that work?

Already the rumours are out…Labour will do this, or not do that. Fine Gael are up, down and about. The Progressive Democrats are bound for an electoral Valhalla. The Greens are…still there. And it’s great because at this moment absolutely anything could happen. There’s hours to go.

10.30 the Polling Places close. I know I’ve complained about the ludicrous spinning on P.ie (but it’s worth noting that there is excellent insightful discussion, as usual, on there as well, that many others from all points of the political compass have made their feelings very clear about such activities to the detriment of the parties concerned, and finally the huge effort put in by David and Andrew over the past month or so when hits have gone up exponentially) by certain new posters, but as the election has continued it’s almost become entertaining to see it. It’s so entirely shameless. I await with bated breath the first ‘leaks’ of the Exit Polls from those supposedly ‘in the know’.

Roll on tomorrow.


1. Pidge - May 24, 2007

Apparently Bertie tours polling stations all day.

And who did you vote for? (Go on, go on, go on …)


2. WorldbyStorm - May 24, 2007

Four guesses, and if you get the order right I’ll buy you a pint next time we meet.


3. Pidge - May 24, 2007

Well, which constituency are you in? Bertie’s?


4. WorldbyStorm - May 24, 2007

Uh huh.


5. Pidge - May 24, 2007


Cieran Perry and Tony Gregory are in there.

I’m going to venture that Ciarán Perry gets the number one.

Then Tony Gregory.

Then Joe Costelloe.

Then … Mary Lou?

Then (this is tricky now) Jerry Hannon (you had a few posts of grudging admiration of the PDs).


6. Pidge - May 24, 2007

Actually, maybe not. 😦

You’re a tricky one to read.


7. WorldbyStorm - May 24, 2007

Sorry, I wouldn’t vote for Perry under any circumstances. Ever. A political disagreement, shall we say?

You got three right, but the order wrong. Except there’s another person in that particular assemblage. Actually weirdly enough when I was voting I forgot about the PD (whose leaflet only dropped through the door yesterday and didn’t do any work in the constituency as far as I can tell) and yes, I do have a degree of admiration for them, although they’re not my politics.


8. Pidge - May 24, 2007

Hmmm, Tony Gregory first, right?


9. WorldbyStorm - May 24, 2007

Could be…


10. Pidge - May 24, 2007

Damn you, WBS, damn you…


11. Mbari Hogun - May 24, 2007

I’d put a tenner on Tony Gregory being WBS’s pony in this race. It just seems so… appropriate.

(Speaking of Gregory, have you seen this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dOY3Vmr-XM ?)


12. joemomma - May 24, 2007

I think I have the measure of WBS:

1) Tony Gregory
2) Patricia McKenna
3) Mary Lou McDonald
4) Joe Costello

And, um….

5) Bertie!

Didn’t they used to be stations?

Technically the “polling station” is the individual table within the “polling place”.


13. Mark P - May 25, 2007

The four progressive candidates in a constituency where Bertie Ahern was about… hmmm…

Well I would guess you mean Gregory, McKenna, McDonald and Costello, which also means your view of progressive is somewhat different from mine! It would also mean only candidates who will poll well, so no first preference to a no-hoper knowing it will transfer.


14. Mark P - May 25, 2007

Curse you joemomma, with your quick fingers! Although we may be wrong about the order – McDonald might be ahead of McKenna for instance.


15. WorldbyStorm - May 25, 2007

I will say no more about the order – I’ve already said too much!

But let me explain my rationale – me being a solipsistic kind of a guy.
Broadly speaking I’ll vote for anyone left of centre (and the occasional right of centre individual dependent upon their personality/work load).

Back in the 1990s I voted in the Coombe and used to give Tom Crilly of the WP a 1st preference due to basic obduracy, transferring to Eric Byrne of DL and on to Labour or the Greens and then SF (not that I’m suggesting that’s my current pattern of transfer 😉 ). Did neither of them any harm I’d suggest.

Had the Socialist Party been there I would naturally have given them a high preference – perhaps even bumping someone else down the list, although I disagree with the SPs blanket idea of not countenancing coalition (okay, it’s a bit more nuanced than that, but de facto that’s what it is). I think the SP plays an important role as an oppositional voice in the Dáil, and not just in a tokenistic fashion.

And I use the term progressive in it’s broadest sense MarkP.

Incidentally, what do people make of the exit poll? Accurate? FF voters waiting in the long grass to save Ahern? Hung Dáil?


16. Mark P - May 25, 2007

I wasn’t being entirely serious about the meaning of progressive!

As for the exit poll, it won’t be precisely right but it probably gives a good indication of the kind of day we have ahead. I would guess that it understimates the SF vote for instance, but it probably does mean that my earlier view that they would take 11 seats is now looking pretty unlikely.

Unfortunately it tells us next to nothing about the particular seats I’m interested in – the ones where the far left are in the running. Although if the Labour vote has fallen significantly that might have some interesting consequences.


17. ejh - May 25, 2007

Sorry to mention this but the next time WbS misuses an apostrophe I am going to kill an innocent human being.


18. Ed Hayes - May 25, 2007

Why the aversion to Perry WBS? I saw nothing in his manifesto that Gregory doesn’t also say, right down to banning coursing. According to the very early returns Fianna Fail are doing well, bertie’s personal vote was up, which if true and he doesn’t bring in a running mate will be testimony to something or other, and Labour not doing that well apparently, which also if true means tough times ahead for comrade Rabbitte I would think.


19. Damian O'Broin - May 25, 2007

It seems we share a polling place WBS. And Bertie must’ve been hanging around North Strand most of the day as he was there at 11 in the morning as well.

Like you, I voted for the four progressive candidates (I’m guessing we might agree on who they are 😉 ) and then held my nose and gave Pashcal a preference for the sake of the rainbow. Politics being about compromise and all that.


20. WorldbyStorm - May 25, 2007

Sorry ejh. Will try harder.

Mark P. Looks to me that SF may be much lower than ten. Donegal seats looking dodge, Greens not doing terribly well.

Ed, I think the actual politics of the two diverge. One retains a strong socialist core, the other dips into populism with elements of a right tinge (incidentally, the ISN – a vastly superior group – spoke at once of merging with WCA – why?).

I think that putting forward another Independent against Gregory (and I could talk more about promises given and then broken) is then in political terms incomprehensible – and in ethical terms difficult to square. Irrelevant in another way, since Perry’s organisation split when it came to the crunch with a considerable faction supporting Gregory.

We do indeed Damian. Although Paschal? Didn’t quite make it to that!


21. Ed Hayes - May 25, 2007

Without getting into a row, if you look at Gregory’s record in the 1980s, he refused to take up a stance on issues such as the 1983 referendum claiming it didn’t affect the inner city and has been a staunch caller for more cops, longer sentences etc. Anyhow it looks like the non-established independents are getting hammered anyway.


22. WorldbyStorm - May 25, 2007

Absolutely on the first point Ed, I don’t see Gregory as the truth way and the light. But what you see is what you get. Having said that Perry’s policies on law and order strike me as much further to the right on a raft of issues. Incidentally there are people working for Perry who I had considerable time for.

Yep, they’re screwed, the more recent Independents.


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