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Pranks and pranksters… it’s Libertas and Lech Walesa… May 26, 2009

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You’ve got to love a report which goes as follows:

Former Polish president Lech Walesa will urge Irish voters to support the Lisbon Treaty in a second referendum during his upcoming trip to to the country, which is at the invitation of Libertas.

Mr Walesa has spoken at events in Madrid and Rome organised by Libertas, which rejects the treaty.

So far so good for the Chairman. However… however…

However, the co-founder of the Solidarity trade union said his readiness to listen to Libertas positions should not be mistaken for agreement.

Pardon?

“I don’t agree with Libertas.”

He doesn’t agree with Libertas? So why is he going?

I’m just giving them my point of view,” he said. “I’m ready to go to Ireland, speaking out alone or alongside Ganley, to say ‘My dear Irish people, back this treaty’.”

Good Jesus. What on earth is going on here?

As one of a panel of EU “wise men”, he said it was his duty to listen to all positions in a “democratic confrontation”.

It gets better. Walesa believes that in regard to Lisbon…

“It’s crucial to have an imperfect driver than no driver at all.

“And we’re going to make this treaty better,” he said, adding that he hoped to “convince Mr Ganley to change his mind” about the Lisbon Treaty.

Yeah. Okay. Good luck with that.

Prime Minister Donald Tusk said the former president had explained his priority for his Irish trip was to back the Lisbon Treaty.

“I spoke to Mr Walesa and I can say officially that he will be urging the Irish on the eve of the European elections to support the Lisbon Treaty, which Libertas opposed,” said Mr Tusk.

“That’s Lech Walesa all over, he will play a prank on them and the balance, as he says, will be positive for us.”

You know, this really really demands a book. Written by an insider from Libertas. Soon. Please.

Meanwhile here’s an oddity. I hadn’t realised that Sinn Féin changed their policy to the euro. It was only on reading the news today that, very website

… [SF] is calling for the replacement of sterling by the euro in Northern Ireland as part of its European election manifesto, launched in Dublin yesterday.

As late as 2002 they were campaigning during the Nice referendum against the euro. And it was only in March 2003 that they finally decided at their Ard Fhéis to abandon the previous stance of opposition against the single currency.

And I guess it made little sense for them to be pushing against the euro in one part of the island when the other part had adopted it entirely happily.

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1. smiffy - May 26, 2009

“You know, this really really demands a book. Written by an insider from Libertas. Soon. Please.”

‘Mein Kampf’, or ‘Lies, and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them’?

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2. WorldbyStorm - May 26, 2009

An outrageous slur! Whoever it is will write a heartbreaking work of staggering genius…

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3. Eamonn - May 26, 2009

Libertas AGAIN….oh you and your cutting edge politics

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4. smiffy - May 26, 2009

If you don’t like it Eamonn, no one is forcing you to read it. Give the whining a rest though, please.

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5. John Palmer - May 26, 2009

Ganley and pro-Lisbon Treaty Lech Walesa – Sinn Fein in favour of the euro: good things happen to those who wait patiently.

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6. splinteredsunrise - May 26, 2009

The SF position on the euro has been in place for a few years, though Wednesday could explain the logic behind it much better than me.

The old European allies can prove a bit unpredictable. The British Tories have been touting around this new alignment they’re forming with the Czech Civic Democrats. But there is this sound of cold feet from Prague, so Cameron could be left cobbling together a group with some very weird allies indeed.

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7. Dr. X - May 26, 2009

Castlebar’s covered in Ganley posters. I feel like an Albanian under Enver Hoxha. . . every time I turn on the radio I wonder if I’m going to hear that the Ballina tractor factory has exceeded its quota.

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8. WorldbyStorm - May 26, 2009

Whereas Dublin Central is a pluralistic utopia, Dr. X! Many many flowers are blooming, or is it blooming flowers?

splintered, there’s a lot of truth in what you’re saying. I think Cameron is walking into a minefield with his approach. Still, he’ll learn the hard way. There’s always Kathy Sinnott for him to work with (and perhaps the bould Chairman if the cards fall the right way on the day)!

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9. Maddog Wilson - May 27, 2009

Dr X

What was wrong with Hoxha, at least there were no pyramid schemes under him. I bet there are a few unemployed in Ballina who wish there was a tractor factory.

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10. Eamonn - May 27, 2009

WBS..you’ll love this. I was canvassed by Libertas tonight and a weirder bunch you’ll never meet. ” Europe is forcing our youth into an army and a communist one at that.” That was their opening gambit followed by a debate on other issues. When I said I was pro-choice they scoffed at this and said ” shame on you” but still asked if I would vote for them. The claimed that COIR was responsible for the anti-lisbon vote in Dublin and waffled on with other such nonsence. Very upper/middle class canvassers and they all had hand maps so they weren’t local. right wing loons.

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11. EWI - May 27, 2009

Castlebar’s covered in Ganley posters. I feel like an Albanian under Enver Hoxha. . . every time I turn on the radio I wonder if I’m going to hear that the Ballina tractor factory has exceeded its quota.

If there’s one thing that the Chairman knows a lot about, it’s the former Soviet Bloc – and Albania in particular…

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12. EWI - May 27, 2009

The claimed that COIR was responsible for the anti-lisbon vote in Dublin

You mean that the Libertas “volunteers” who canvassed you actually were CÓIR member, and identified themselves to you as such?

I know that there are ties between Ganley and the “Hail Mary” fringes in this country (and the leaflets last time out from both looked as if they came from the same source), but it’d be interesting to get confirmation that Youth Defence are coming out en masse for the latest Ganley escapade.

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Peter - June 19, 2009

Youth Defence had told people they wouldn’t be supporting Libertas. Youth Defence are a fringe movement. I’m Catholic and many times Catholics have had to apologise for this fringe group. Their aims and actions are counter-productive. By mentioning them here, we are giving Youth Defence the credibility they don’t deserve. I’m Catholic and support conservative values and open to debate. Youth Defence are a fringe movement that are dwindling.They have alienated thousands of people away.

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13. Eamonn - May 27, 2009

They raised the name COIR in responce to my comments about Lisbon. My opinion is that they were the religious right.

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14. Wednesday - May 27, 2009

The SF position on the euro has been in place for a few years, though Wednesday could explain the logic behind it much better than me.

The SF policy basically boils down to the idea that one unwanted currency on the island is better than two. SF favours a currency which is (a) all-Ireland and (b) democratically controlled by the Irish people; if we can’t have both (a) and (b), then better to have at least one of them. As it stands we have neither.

As Splinty notes this policy has been in place for several years – it was adopted at an Ard Fheis around 2003 or 2004, not without some dissent I might add. Somehow however people keep missing it and then when they learn about it, announcing it as some sort of milestone change in policy.

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15. WorldbyStorm - May 27, 2009

More than fair enough, as you see I note that the policy was changed in 2003 in the original piece, it’s just that it’s interesting to see it articulated in 2009. No doubt it is a case of people only noticing it every once in a while. Mind you, I looked back through the IT archives at lunchtime yesterday and couldn’t find more than two mentions of the issue across those years, one a brief note on John Hume of all people asking SF for something or another in the wake of the 2003 vote and yesterday’s article in the IT. So perhaps people could be forgiven for missing the memo… 🙂

Eamonn, obliged for that, that’s kind of interesting. I wonder were they COIR/YD? This is all very confused. Still, this communist army… perhaps they’d tell us more? That might square the circle of our neutrality? 😉

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16. PJ Callan - May 27, 2009

Ould Lech is still kicking around….jaysus thats amazing!
Gdansk dockyard is gone to the wall and himself and Gorbachev are treated by the bourgeoisie as you’d treat a rat with syphilis.

As for Albania –

http://wrathofhephaestus.wordpress.com/2007/08/24/the-latest-insult-to-albanias-anti-fascist-heroes/

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17. Dr. X - May 27, 2009

My supervisor – a Marxist-Feminist of the old school – once went on a party tour of Albania. On the collective farm she and her group visited, they were shown a milking station where the cows were having the music of Scarlatti (18th century baroque keyboard stuff) piped in to increase milk yields. Why can’t Irish agricuture have that kind of progressive thinking?

As for the whole ‘Lisbon threatens conscription into a Euro-army’, the big problem with that one is that modern professional armies don’t want, and probably couldn’t integrate into their structures, a sudden wave of unhappy, conscripted 18 year olds. Think of the fragging problem that might ensue, for example.

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