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“Talk away Mister Higgins …..” January 25, 2011

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A brief clip of Joan Burton and Joe Higgins on Last nights ” Tonight with Vincent Browne

The full show is available   here

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1. Dr. X - January 25, 2011

Now I know why Mark P hates her. I apologise for doubting you, Cadre P.

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Mark P - January 25, 2011

You’re forgiven Comrade X.

I will admitt that the fact that it was Burton having that meltdown as opposed to Broughan or Shortall or any other merely normally obnoxious Labour TD did add to my enjoyment of the programme.

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2. EamonnCork - January 25, 2011

It works really well if you imagine her as Eliza Doolittle in My Fair Lady singing ‘just you wait Joe Higgins, just you wait.’ Especially the ‘ha ha ha Joe Higgins’ bit.

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3. ec - January 25, 2011

The new willie o’dea – same as the old willie o’dea

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4. RepublicanSocialist1798 - January 25, 2011

My god.
Gilmore get rid of her now or put her on prozac.

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5. Conor McCabe - January 25, 2011

I’ve just edited ten minutes of Joan Burton on Vinvent Browne last night.

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neilcaff - January 25, 2011

Well done Conor, that’s even funnier when you condense it down into 10 minutes!

What. A. Nutter.

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Conor McCabe - January 25, 2011

I had Joan Burton in my ear all morning in order to produce it. Ugh!

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irishelectionliterature - January 25, 2011

Fair Play Conor, I sat through it last night and couldn’t believe Joan Burtons carry on. Between herself and Roisin Shorthall they’ve alienated far more potential voters than they have won over.

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Conor McCabe - January 25, 2011

You better watch yourself there electlit,the Labour party’s line today is that the Irish left is just misogynistic.

Seems that to criticise Joan Burton means you hate women.

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Dr. X - January 25, 2011

Like an episode of the Muppet Show featuring a particularly vile National School teacher.

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6. Budapestkick - January 25, 2011

The sad thing is that I think she’s nursing a grudge from the 97 election.

The Labour Party: Liars and hypocrites to a man.

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Ciarán - January 25, 2011

..and woman.

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7. anon-anon - January 25, 2011

Feck me pink. Shorthall left a bad taste and changed my view of Labour profoundly.

This was cringe worthy. Excrutiating. To think this person will be in government, possibly as minister, boggles the mind.

(What’s with this bully-boy childish approach that so many Irish politicos seem to be adopting lately? Many are becoming quite loutish.)

Higgins, on the other hand, acquitted himself well faced with what appeared to be an exorcist type event.

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8. Niall - January 25, 2011

Wow.

That’s an amazing self-destruct sequence!

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9. Ghandi - January 25, 2011

Was hoping someone would put it up, Conor lenihan last week and now Joan Burton

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11. shea - January 25, 2011

vladker made a comment this morning on MI that i thought was strange it was something like ‘where not in a concencus for cuts FF SF and LAB are in a concencus for high taxes and we stand against that’

when you look at rosin and joan in isolation maybe it looks mental and they had a bad night. but maybe there seeing that section of society that gets worked up by high taxes are moving around and them and Fg are in a battle for them votes. or the independents are rocketing at labours expence and there putting the boot in. or maybe both. when’s the next opinion poll out.

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12. Colm B - January 25, 2011

In a byelection campaign sometime in the late 90s (electoral nerds will remember the exact date, my declining brain can’t even remember the year)I was working for the Joe Higgins/SP campaign, at the time I was an indep. left cllr. on DLRCC. I was giving an elderly supporter of Joe’s a lift to a polling station. I stopped briefly a short distance from the station to wait for the woman to return. I had a poser of JH in the side window of my car so, technically, I was in breach of the law about electoral material near a polling station.
Joan Burton (she happened to know me from the time I was on Dublin County Council) was standing nearby and immediately called over a young garda and vigorously remonstrated with him about my presence: he sheepishly came over and took my name and address: which I gave as CB, the Town Hall, Dun Laoghaire. So her abject performance on the clip is just typical.

I have to say I’m glad in a way that the Burton’s and Shorthall’s are coming out with this sort of red-baiting stuff. It should cure any sincere leftie of any illusions about the nature of the Labour Party. Keep it up Joan, the more bile from you the more votes for the ULA!

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WorldbyStorm - January 25, 2011

Interesting anecdote Colm. The thing is it touching on red baiting.

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Ghandi - January 26, 2011

Joe has “posers”, I note that a girl from Mayo is a poser for Kate Midleton and is making a few bob, maybe this is the way to fund the election?

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13. Tomboktu - January 26, 2011

I wonder if Joan was in Dublin West when Joe Higgins and the Labour Party parted ways. I have been told that the feelings ran high at that time (and certainly Labour people in what is now Dublin Mid-West have little love for Joe Higgins).

And I wonder if her party leader approves of Joan’s behaviour. I recall at the time he was new to the Dáil that I read that he would regularly get briefings on how to go about using the procedures to get his message out (not having a whip to hold his hand) from one Deputy Eamon Gilmore.

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Mark P - January 26, 2011

Many years ago, Joe Higgins was chosen as the Labour candidate in Dublin West. He was then removed by the leadership and local branches were shut down.

The person the leadership replaced him with was one Joan Burton.

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14. HAL - January 26, 2011

I thought Joan did rather well ,VB and JH came accross as bullies seeking support of each other, I dont like Labour but ganging up like that was crass, and now thread after thread about the Joan issue on various sites comes accross as orchestrated and petty.Having that particular clip ready was an ambush and had to be planned and that set the tone, similar could have been done to either guest and that speakes volumes about the host

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Budapestkick - January 26, 2011

When you want to re-join us here in reality HAL we’ll have a cup of tea ready.

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Mark P - January 26, 2011

That’s genuinely paranoid, HAL.

Who exactly do you think was “orchestrating” the anti-Burton internet campaign? The Vincent Browne fan club? The Socialist Party? There were so many comments on twitter about it, from so many different people, that Burton actually hit the worldwide trending list for a couple of hours.

As for having that particular clip ready, it was put up by Conor of Dublin Opinion who was, at least the last time I bickered about party politics with him, pro-Labour in a critical sort of way. Was it the Socialist Party or the Vincent Browne fan club which put him up to it in your imagination?

There was no conspiracy. Burton has an abiding and deep seated dislike of Joe Higgins and she completely lost the run of herself in arguing against him. She was rude, hectoring, incoherent and childish, and all of that in support of business as usual right wing policies.

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Conor McCabe - January 26, 2011

Hal, I added the Late Late Show segment to the clip above when I compiled it this morning.

It wasn’t part of the original show, which means you haven’t watched the original show.

I think that’s good for you because if you think Joan Burton comes across as alright in my compilation, you’ll think she’s fucking Oscar Wilde when you watch the repeat on TV3 itself.

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HAL - January 26, 2011

My mistake thought clip was on VB show.

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15. Budapestkick - January 26, 2011

‘.Having that particular clip ready was an ambush and had to be planned and that set the tone’

Do you mean the late late clip. Was it rude to point out that Burton was telling blimp-sized porkies? Do you really have more of an issue with her lies being pointed out or the lies themselves?

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16. Jack Jameson - January 26, 2011

I’m admittedly not a fan of the Labour leadership but even the Labour Press Office must have been hiding behind the sofa at this.

Appalling from someone who wants us to trust them as Finance Minister!

And people are horrified by Jackie Healy-Rae.

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17. John Green - January 26, 2011

Excruciating as it was, I’d wonder if men and women aren’t watching it through different goggles. I just showed Conor’s clip to my wife and during it she was shouting “Go on Joan! Stand up for yerself!” Whatever about the lies and dissimulation on Burton’s part – and I for one won’t be voting Labour – seeing men appear to try to keep the woman quiet may not play any better in some quarters than hearing Pearse Doherty tell Mary Coughlan in the Dail that she should “shut her mouth.” Even I was cringing at that one.

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Mark P - January 26, 2011

Twitter is obviously not a scientific survey, but the comments there from women weren’t any better disposed towards her childish display.

Of course most of the people commenting at the time were watching the whole programme, and it was pretty much impossible, no matter how predisposed you are to like Burton, to interpret events as “men trying to keep the woman quiet”.

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John Green - January 26, 2011

Hi Mark–

That’s fair enough. Conor’s clip clearly showed her in a (relatively) good light. 😉

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18. Colm B - January 26, 2011

Happily Labour have an endless supply of male and female, mini and major, politicos who will resort to this sort of lash-out red-baiting. No need to contend with your opponents ideas, no need to defend the detail of your policies or engage in serious criticism of your opponents ones, just scream ‘darn no-good commie’! The more threatened they feel the more of this kind of McCarthyite mush we’ll hear.
BTW Ive no objections at all to the Blairites (yep, thats what they are) raising serious policy differences or perceived policy weaknesses of radical left candidates: the left should be able to counter those and if they are not then they need to rethink their apporach but what we are witnessing here is gutter politics: just throw muck and hope it sticks.

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irishelectionliterature - January 26, 2011

The red baiting is surely part of a tactic to distance Labour from the former parties of Gilmore, Rabbitte, O’Sullivan etc.

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19. irishelectionliterature - January 26, 2011

T-Shirts for Joan available….

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