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“Meanwhile in London, things stay the same, the untenable must be maintained”… March 13, 2013

Posted by WorldbyStorm in The Left, Uncategorized.
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…apologies to the Fatima Mansions for appropriating the post title from their “Blues for Ceaucescu” of which more soon.

At the heart of the travails of the UK SWP is the deeply serious issue of a rape allegation and how it was handled. As has been noted on this site before it is remarkable how it encompasses power relationships, structural responses and so on and how these have been approached and dealt with in deeply questionable ways. This comment by EC here sums up, I suspect, the way many of us feel as to the problems implicit in the handling of the allegation.

And you can’t preach left wing politics and social justice while treating a young woman like a pariah and your members like children.

The conference at the weekend in London didn’t resolve this, resulting in a split. And as noted in comments by smiffy here, the post-conference statement is notable for how in 587 words it manages to avoid mention of that central issue entirely.

But (as Soviet Goon Boy reflected upon here) that issue and more particularly the treatment of it has had a catalytic effect in relation to an even broader range of issues pertaining to the SWP’s culture, structure and practice (albeit issues that link directly back to the central issue). And as an external observer it would appear that for all the clear decency of many, one presumes most, SWP members in the UK, there are significant questions about culture and practice.

So in a sense the central issue had traction because of the other problems which were already extant. It has been a path to the expression of something that appears to me to be close to deep dismay on the part of many connected with the SWP (and it is worth noting again that Irish SWP members I’ve spoken too are are also dismayed – and it seems to me that the culture of the Irish SWP appears to be significantly different to that of its British counterpart for a number of reasons, including history, size and context, whatever about commonalities of approach in campaigning).

The blog(s)…

There is the obvious oddity of the present situation where what once would have been essentially secret – or at least less visible – is now well known and discussed far beyond the boundaries of the party – it was an interesting experience last week to read the some of the documentation – and educative, definitely educative. But we live in an hyper-connected age, and it is difficult to see anything short of societal collapse changing that soon – which of course makes efforts to ignore or circumvent that hyper-connectivity difficult to understand. It’s not just on Socialist Unity or wherever that one will find critiques of the recent events. Wiki and other information providers already have this noted and detailed with links to relevant sources. That’s not going to go a way either. And again, the issue of how members are treated comes into focus here again.

Though for all the talk of ‘the blog’ in recent discussions that seemed to ignore the reality that that is a symptom not a cause. But then institutional conservatism, as distinct from revolutionary rhetoric, is something that manifests itself across a wide array of organisations with little or no regard to ideology whether or left or right.

Taking orders

I’ve often mentioned how political formations are essentially voluntary associations. Granted, there are internal controls and constraints on the behaviour of members, but it is remarkable how uncodified these usually are. It makes one wonder how many political parties have anything similar to TU procedures in relation to sexual harassment or bullying or so on? None in my direct experience, and in the much looser formations I have been more recently associated with across the last decade it simply wasn’t considered an issue. In part that latter was due to their small size or fluid composition. Though barely veiled demands to do x or y remain a part of the process – demands that depend upon friendship, ideological or political bonds or even in some respects hierarchical positioning, to see them completed. But what of larger groups where such ties are much stronger? Actually that raises another issue as to who in the contemporary period is regarded as having authority and who isn’t.

And it’s perhaps precisely because they are voluntary that great structures of rhetoric have to be built within which to frame activity and to ensure it occurs. Because, for most people, I suspect it’s a process of reluctant enough socialisation into marching and selling papers/collecting money, attending meetings and so on and so forth (though I’ve got to admit to a certain admiration for the manner in which some parties and formations are able to deploy activists to protest and demonstrate seemingly more or less at will). And having been a part of that I also recall how they tend to colonise social lives as well (and here I have to admit to a considerable admiration for those who can keep that at arms length). And these function as a self-reinforcing dynamic, reflecting activity back towards the party/formation. That can be good, but it can also give rise to distortions and misperceptions.

The fire next time

From being positioned for quite some time now outside the party tradition I’m fascinated by the sense of imminence in a lot of the rhetoric over the years (found in documents and elsewhere), in terms of societal transformations occurring with great (and seemingly near-inevitable) rapidity. It’s quite alien to my own experience of socio-political activity – even back in the day, let alone whatever beliefs I have developed on foot of that experience or otherwise. That isn’t to say that that experience was superior in any respect – and the track record of those who took similar approaches is hardly stellar, but simply to say it was different.

But I find it interesting that some appear to believe that profound social changes would occur on foot of what seem to many like somewhat evanescent phenomena as distinct from a long hard slog across, years, decades – perhaps centuries – against forces that are societally embedded and with roots that are centuries old. But then, in this polity the heights to be scaled to achieve the outcomes desired are arguably greater again, at least in respect to the way in which the left and further left is so marginal, which has its own effect in terms of – perhaps – changing perceptions as to what and how rapidly something may be achievable. And that perception is not necessarily a bad thing, even if one would wish the context it were developed in were otherwise.

Speaking of which

Though that leads to a further point about the potential for revolutionary transformation – and just thinking about it I find it hard to think of a single point in my adult life where I’ve felt there was any prospect whatsoever for such a transformation. No surprise then that while the USSR still existed that was seen as a viable route, albeit the way forward was never really detailed to any great extent, by a significant enough fraction of those then politically active on the left. That the working class itself never developed any great enthusiasm for that approach was equally understandable. But the point being that actual as distinct from rhetorical means of achieving revolutionary transformations have been thin on the ground. To put it mildly.

A further problematic self-reinforcing dynamic, particularly evident on the further left, but not unknown elsewhere, is that of a sense of greater insight (to put it at its most benign) than all one’s opponents and rivals and – indeed perhaps the class itself, and all that flows from such attitudes. After all, if one’s raison d’etre is essentially the reshaping of the world and the repositioning of the working class one is not exactly being behind the door in terms of scale of ambition – or of finding the necessary justifications for more or less any course one might choose to achieve those goals.

A small global conspiracy

Another piece which struck me as interesting was this. Now in fairness it is not from the British SWP, but from the International Socialist Organization in the US – which has had a testy relationship with the SWP:

A TRAGIC development has unfolded on the British left–the destructive crisis of that country’s Socialist Workers Party (SWP). People have been hurt and humiliated, the organizational measures taken (and not taken) have aroused fierce controversy, there have been expulsions and resignations, after a narrow vote at a party congress there has been an unsuccessful internal ban on further discussion of the matter, and serious damage has been done to one of the most important organizations on the global revolutionary left.

That last sentence intrigued me, because while it was arguably correct in terms of the context it was presented within – yes, the British SWP is important in respect of portions of the global further left, it struck me how that wasn’t sufficient.

I’m minded to repeat the comment from the revenant SplinteredSunrise recently where he mentioned that:

Now, if the SWP has a grandiose self-image – remember that this is an organisation of a few thousand which aspires to overthrow every government in the world…

Within their own terms it and other groups are important. Within the confines of the further left they are important. But in the broader scheme of things? We obviously run into a problem.

That troubles the powerful hardly at all

Or let’s put it a different way, is it possible to imagine that the initials of the SWP or indeed any of the groups any of us belong to or identify with ever come up in discussion at the IMF, or ECB, or European Commission. Or at the Cabinet tables in either the UK or the Republic of Ireland.

It’s hardly unreasonable to suggest that they don’t. Not at all. It troubles their sleep not in the slightest as to the composition of the CC of this party or that party, the minutiae of this formation or that formation. Yet these are arguably the highest circles of advanced capitalism.

Now, Greece – well, that’s a different matter, albeit also a context with much deeper and stronger roots as regards protest. And there one suspect that SYRIZA (and perhaps at certain points the KKE) have been taken very seriously indeed – although importantly street protest has – so far – been successfully policed and it has been the electoral and parliamentary arena where the most important action has occurred.

Cant

But the point is not to lambaste the further left, or any party or formation in particular, but to note the problematic aspects implicit in such attitudes. That aspiration alone doesn’t convey any particular authority and that when the gulf between aspiration and achievement is so great then it is perhaps best to tone it down somewhat. Consider as a straw in the wind Mark Steel’s departure from the SWP over what he regarded as this gap – and that was in 2007, over five years ago and long predating the current problems (Steel has many pertinent thoughts on both this and the recent crisis here).

And that’s a crucial lesson to be drawn from this. Of course there is actual work being carried out by individual parties and members of same across this island and the one to the east which does have an effect and is important and will make a difference, it’s not just, often not even, rhetoric on the left – but there is a real danger that too great an attachment to what is effectively rhetoric can provide a specious justification for structural and cultural practices that are deeply noxious, or worse again can be used tactically to divert attention away from same.

Because not merely is it a case of aspiration and reality not matching up, but that that aspiration is in itself insufficient as a justification for a lack of self-reflection or for distorted responses to actions and events that – as we have seen – can have significant ramifications if not addressed properly. These can be banal, we saw something of that in the cosmetic calls for a ‘General Strike’ recently, something that a moment’s analysis will suggest is so far over the political horizon as an achievable aspiration as to be near counter-productive in raising in the present context. But it can be deeply pernicious too, as the events elsewhere suggest.

Won’t

Is there a clear way forward from this morass? I’m dubious that there is. There’s an attachment to rhetoric and grand aspirations and gestures that is in its own way now part of the practice of some. There’s also, as we most of us know from direct experience – not all of it malign, an attachment to forms, to institutional coherence, to the pernicious confusion of the idea that a leadership is the party (though we could talk for quite some time about the depressing tendency for leaderships in further left parties to tend to ossify whatever their supposed specific ideological orientation).

I guess it is possible to see the defeatism of social democracy as being in its own way a response to that, and that of course is a danger from another direction – that of setting the bar, not too high, but far too low. And that is obviously unsatisfactory too.

So perhaps it is a case of arguing that about where we are and the problems that face us than attempting through lofty rhetoric to pretend the situation is something other than it is. Still an enormous challenge, but no greater than it would be otherwise, and arguably with the crucial benefit that it can be faced openly and honestly.

There is insufficient life inside the party, and outside it?

There’s one other thought. SGB made the point that:

…it isn’t a punishment to not be a member of the leadership. The party chooses who is an appropriate individual to represent it. This needs restating for the benefit of those comrades who seem to believe in a Divine Right of Delta.

Too true (and the thought strikes that in real terms even being expelled from a party isn’t that much of a punishment either – and I’m not trying to downplay the manner in which friendships and social and other networks can be ruptured, having myself an echo of that experience after enduring one split and a voluntarily departure from another party). But I’d go further. Consider again the point about political formations being voluntary associations. For all the reification of democratic centralism the reality is that people can’t be compelled to stay in a party. For the SWP it is 71 so far – and the context of the conference that alone is 7 per cent of those who voted. The faction itself had over 500 signatories – and in what appears to be a smaller SWP than even most sceptical observers will have calculated these aren’t irrelevant figures. There are probably more to come. And splits damage authority and credibility. Not least in relation to the need to provide justificatory narratives for what has happened. Moreover, when those who split can remain as a coherent body they provide counter-narratives and potentially a pole of attraction.

Whether this is true of what appears to now be a very significant split in the UK SWP only time will tell. Don’t ignore the many genuine socialists still within the SWP and it may be as time goes on they will assert themselves differently (I tend to the view that the party will continue albeit in diminished form). Indeed it may be that the leadership victory at the weekend conference proves to be purely tactical rather than strategic. The argument has been made time and again now that for any with the inclination to join and curious enough to google the formation there’s a real education to be had online, and – while I’m never one to overestimate the power and reach of ‘the blog’ in whatever form – that has to have an effect. And this is a time – rightly – where organisations of whatever stripe have to be seen to face up to these issues, not pedal furiously away from them. That’s where the damage lies, in the comparisons that are being made with other groups that have obfuscated or ignored reality, such as that one based in Rome or the BBC or… and the list grows ever longer. As to the apostates, well, there’s so many of them these days, from the new group-to-be, the slightly less recent Counterfire and so on.

Quite some stretch of this road left to go one suspects.

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1. Branno's ultra-left t-shirt - March 13, 2013

The Irish SWP can’t really think this is all going to go away. Eventually the Phoenix and then the Indo, or the Irish Daily Mail, maybe even an Irish Times hack, will start running with this and asking RBB or whoever what their opinion is. So they’d better get one.

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smiffy - March 13, 2013

To be fair to them, it’s a bit of a rock and a hard place. If they were to come out strongly against the British leadership (not that they are necessarily inclined to do so), it would only serve to strengthen the perception of the link between the two organizations.

But, definitely, have something in the back pocket for when they do have to make a statement on it, and hopefully it’ll be a bit more honorable than the 587 words of shame from across the water.

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smiffy - March 13, 2013

Also, obviously, great piece from WBS.

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que - March 13, 2013

+1,
great piece WBS. real food for thought.

what shines through is how relevant the words establishment and orthodoxy are for the SWP, at least in Britain

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Mark P - March 13, 2013

As I understand it, the Irish SWP passed some kind of motion at their national committee expressing their disapproval of the British organisation’s behaviour, although they also decided not to make noises about it. If that’s correct it looks like a bit of a compromise, but to be fair, I suspect that they really don’t want to end up shouting at each other about an extremely emotive issue that they have no way of controlling.

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Pangur ban - March 13, 2013

‘I heard from an Irish ex-SWP activist who has resigned over the issue that the majority of the Irish organisation disagreed with the British CC, but Kieran Allen, James O’Toole and John Molyneux disagreed with their criticism. As a result, no official condemnation was put ‘
Posted here earlier. If this is true it puts molyneux at the intersection of the two parties, and leaves swp Ireland with some questions to answer

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Tox Aven - March 20, 2013

This is how the Canadians see it. Food for thought for the Irish section.

http://internationalsocialismuk.blogspot.ie/

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WorldbyStorm - March 20, 2013

That’s very interesting indeed. Thanks TA.

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Pangur ban - March 20, 2013

And there’s more over last weekend on socialist unity…

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2. Phil - March 13, 2013

“Who’s that knocking down my back door?
It’s that same bald-headed bug-eyed male whore…”

I’ve been surprised by just how angry this story is making me – and continuing to make me. It’s just a bottomless well of Wrong. The key lesson, I think, is that dysfunctional organisational structures are incapable of repairing themselves – because if you set the organisation to debate what needs to be done, the usual structures will produce the answer that they’re working fine and no repairs are needed. At this stage the SWP non si riforma, si abbatte, I’m afraid.

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WorldbyStorm - March 13, 2013

+1 re surprised how angry this makes me feel.

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que - March 13, 2013

at the risk of appearing monomania I couldnt agree more with the sentiment – “because if you set the organisation to debate what needs to be done, the usual structures will produce the answer that they’re working fine and no repairs are needed”

When you contrast the aspirations to overthrow each and every capitalist govt. of the world with the inability to elect anyone or to achieve anything more than sporadic and incidental goals then its clear the structures allowing evaluation of theory against reality of the impact arent well developed.

All well and good if they could be considered as on the wrong track, incapable of doing anything about that but fundamentally decent; but now that last part of being fundamentally decent – at least as represented by their establishment, isnt true either.

What a shambles.
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WorldbyStorm - March 13, 2013

“aren’t well developed” is a good way of putting it I think. It’s an huge gap in terms of theory and practice. Of course no one expects it to be easy for further left parties to engage politically across a range of areas, but to do quite so badly as the UK SWP is doing during the current period. No room for complacency this side of the Irish Sea but… there is on the part of the further left here at least a somewhat better sense of the terrain I think.

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CMK - March 14, 2013

Could that latter point be to do with the fact that the further Left here have, and have proven, that with X amount of effort they can achieve parliamentary representation and, to do so, they have to engage with tens of thousands of potential voters. In the UK the SWP probably knew, as anyone with even a faint grasp of how UK electoral politics is structured, that they would never be a force or even a presence in parliament this side of the revolution. They then did not have to set about the difficult task of trying to convince people to support their candidates and explains themselves and why they were doing what they were doing etc, etc. Could be wrong, but it might be a factor.

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WorldbyStorm - March 14, 2013

Would agree very much with what you say there CMK.

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3. ejh - March 13, 2013

Still, every tragedy has its moments of humour and I would hate to think people had missed this.

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WorldbyStorm - March 13, 2013

There is that.

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Mark P - March 14, 2013

There have been a few moments of humour alright. I’m thinking, for instance, of the SWP oppositionist who recounted on twitter that she’d woken up to discover that she’d drunkenly resigned from the Socialist Party by email.

I suspect that caused a certain amount of bewilderment.

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Mark P - March 15, 2013

Speaking of moments of humour, there was also this epic musical intervention:

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4. Mark P - March 13, 2013

Your point about the lack of developed policies and guidelines in most political organisations on how to deal with allegations of serious personal misconduct is well made.

Sane people in other left wing groupings won’t be feeling smug about the SWP’s disaster. They will be thinking long and hard about what kind of processes and safeguards and approaches their own organisations have and how they would have handled a similar allegation.

Even though the British SWP leadership seem to have piled dreadful response upon dreadful response, and in so doing turned an awful situation into a complete catastrophe, it should be remembered that at the start of the whole saga, they did suddenly face a situation that very few if any political organisations would have been equipped to respond to well. And while the rest of us might assume that our own organisations wouldn’t have engaged in such an extended campaign of unmitigated stupidity, it would be the height of complacency to assume that they would have dealt with everything satisfactorily. It should be a warning bell to everyone else to get their own houses in order when it comes to establishing clear, effective, procedures and also when it comes to supporting complainants and encouraging them to go competent authorities.

I also should say that I’ve developed considerable respect for the decency of a large number of British SWP members who did their best to force their organisation to get its act together.

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WorldbyStorm - March 13, 2013

“I also should say that I’ve developed considerable respect for the decency of a large number of British SWP members who did their best to force their organisation to get its act together.”

+1

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Pangur ban - March 13, 2013

And in fairness Conor kostick from swp Ireland who went on the record for the for es of light early on

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5. smiffy - March 13, 2013

” it should be remembered that at the start of the whole saga, they did suddenly face a situation that very few if any political organisations would have been equipped to respond to well”

Fair point. Although just a couple of thoughts. Hopefully, most organisations would have the sense not to try to respond to the situation internally (although having the structures to be able to even take that decision in a coherent way is rare, and few can point fingers as you say).

However, with the caveat that the whole sorry business is still extremely unclear, and there’s much which is the subject of rumour, the question should be asked about how ‘suddenly’ they were faced with this, i.e. if it was the first time a situation like this had arisen or if – as has been suggested – this is just one in a series of complaints that had arisen, both formally and informally, within the party.

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Mark P - March 14, 2013

I think it’s a little bit too simple to say that organisations should “have the sense not to try to respond to the situation internally”. A starting point should certainly be to encourage a complainant to go to competent authorities and to support them in so doing. And also to refer them, if the complaint is of a serious sexual nature, to a Rape Crisis Centre.

But if, after all that, the complainant does not want to go to the police, then the organisation is faced with a serious quandary. Are you arguing that they should report the issue to the police against the will of the complainant?

There may also be situations where a complainant has gone to the cops, where there is substantial evidence of wrongdoing but for whatever reason no conviction has been obtained. I don’t think that a political organisation could simply shrug, say that there’s been due process, and then simply leave the subject of the complaint in situ with no further investigation.

I agree with your last paragraph, by the way.

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RosencrantzisDead - March 14, 2013

Agree with both of you.

But I would still hope that no organisation in Ireland (or at least those on the left) would actually victimize someone for making an accusation, especially where that accusation relates to sexual assault and/or harassment.

I would like to think that is rather basic and straight-forward.

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Julian Assandwich - March 14, 2013

It is not the first case. There have been many other cases down the years(kept private), some having found people guilty and just moved them on to the next parish or expelled them from the party. *That* is the proletarian justice. A similar scandal unfolded in a similar way in the German IST in the early ’00s. Exactly what has just unfolded is how the IST deals with rape and how it always has. It is systematic and systemic

http://socialistunity.com/13439/
http://socialistunity.com/swp-losing-grip-on-reality/

Now that people who aren’t rape apologists are leaving/will be purged, how unsafe will the SWP be now? If the SWP-rump believes it has done nothing wrong and nothing changes.. then what happens when someone is raped and it is covered up again? And again? And again?

In an environment so controlled and so top-down, we have to ask if there are extra reasons, extra pressures on top of the typical, why a comrade would choose not to go to the police.

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Mark P - March 14, 2013

I certainly hope so too.

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Mark P - March 14, 2013

That was a response to RiD by the way, rather than Julian.

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6. itsapoliticalworld - March 14, 2013

Though that leads to a further point about the potential for revolutionary transformation – and just thinking about it I find it hard to think of a single point in my adult life where I’ve felt there was any prospect whatsoever for such a transformation.

You must be very young. 🙂 The cracks in the inward looking SWP world must surely be coming about precisely because that potential is in a slight way being felt, and has given people confidence to rock the boat.

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WorldbyStorm - March 14, 2013

I wish… nah, I like being the age I am. 🙂

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7. Julian Assandwich - March 14, 2013

All power tends to corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely(in sealed off communities at least). An unquestionable permanent leadership of mostly middle-aged white male bureaucrats imbued with an unnatural amount of unchallenged power over the rank & file – mostly young inexperienced students – is an inherently dangerous situation prone to abuse of all kinds.

At its most benign, the unpleasantness of this political method, personal environment and harshly-vertical power-relationships seems connected to the stagnation and decline of left partys’ membership(dropping out, apathy/aversion to parties etc) even/especially in times of crisis.

And for those who can put up with all that and persevere, we get the the more extreme outcome of mental and physical abuse – highlighted by the dangerous case of the SWP’s system of protecting their rapists and punishing the victims.

http://madammiaow.blogspot.ie/2013/03/more-swp-rape-accusations-dangerous.html

It seems when you’re set up in a certain way, certain cultures and outcomes become much more likely. It’s high time we talk about “Leninism”. Or more precisely, if we know what it isn’t – what is a more suitable name for what it is?

http://www.thenorthstar.info/?p=7727

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ejh - March 14, 2013

Ever tried disagreeing with Madame Miaow on anything?

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eamonncork - March 14, 2013

I found that Madame Miaow piece the most egocentric piece of writing I’ve read in a long time. Obviously someone who never heard the saying, ‘self praise is no praise,’ I tuned out round about the time she started taking credit for China Mieville’s success. Or was it around the time she was mentioning how her PR skills more or less made the anti-war movement what it was. She may be on the right side in this spat but that post tells us more about her than the whole sorry affair.
The SWP deserves everything it’s going to get for handling this thing so badly but it’s also providing an opportunity for everyone who’s ever had an axe to grind with them to get stuck in.

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eamonncork - March 14, 2013

It actually reminded me of one of those Waters or Harris pieces where the fact that they couldn’t find a parking place or get a sandwich within ten minutes of sitting down reveals the dysfunctional nature of modern Ireland.

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ejh - March 14, 2013

I found that Madame Miaow piece the most egocentric piece of writing I’ve read in a long time.

That’s her all right. Everything is about her.

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eamonncork - March 14, 2013

Would a permanent leadership of black middle aged bureaucrats be less inherently dangerous? I’m just puzzled as to the point of including the word ‘white,’ in that sentence in your post.

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frrd - March 14, 2013

@eamonn cork

Thats part of the modern discourse where if its not explicitly multi cultural then its suspect.

Diane abott pointed the same thing out recently but when she said it many people accepted it.

but then its not supposed to make any sense so get on board.

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8. doctorfive - March 14, 2013

Great post

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pangur ban - March 14, 2013

From the vaults: “Democracy in the International Socialists”, 1975

a post from john molyneux on the necessity for openess and demodracy….dated 1975

is this the same john molyneux who with kieran allen muted or neutered SWP ireland’s response to the rape crisis?

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ejh - March 14, 2013

It is. But then again it’s the same Splintered Sunrise who was such a big admirer of Pope Benedict, who did a fair bit of muting and neutering too.

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WorldbyStorm - March 14, 2013

Is it entirely comparable ejh?

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ejh - March 14, 2013

Depends who we’re comparing with whom. I’d have thought Benedict’s record in covering-up was worse than Molyneux’s. Or are we comparing Molyneux with the gentleman blogger?

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WorldbyStorm - March 14, 2013

The latter.

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9. ejh - March 14, 2013

Then I think it would be an interesting point to put to the gentleman himself.

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ejh - March 14, 2013

(And yet again, ejh fouls up on the WordPress format. Age? Stupidity? Tiredness?)

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WorldbyStorm - March 14, 2013

None of those. It’s WordPress. In relation to #9. Hmmm… will have to think about that.

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ejh - March 14, 2013

I’d do it myself, but I have reason to think that my comments on his blog are unwelcome. (Which is fair enough, actually, although even if they weren’t I suspect that particular query would go unanswered.)

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10. Mark P - March 15, 2013

Richard Seymour is putting up a personal account of the dispute and split on Lenin’s tomb. The first three parts are up now and they give a real sense of what it must have been like to be a British SWP member completely bewildered, stunned and horrified at their leadership’s behaviour.

http://www.leninology.com/2013/03/the-crisis-in-swp-part-i.html

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11. Watty Cox - March 15, 2013

So the SWP were hiding a rapist. Did anyone whose perception
wasn’t clouded by New Left fantasies expect anything
else from Trotskyists?

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Mark P - March 15, 2013

Piss off troll.

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WorldbyStorm - March 15, 2013

What a silly comment Watty – and coat-trailing too.

So somehow Trotskyists are more prone to such matters? An history of political organisations on the left suggests there’s no strand that comes away innocent from these things, Trotskyist, Maoist, Stalinist, social democrat, democratic socialist, anarchist.

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