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Sovereignty June 30, 2014

Posted by WorldbyStorm in British Politics.

Useful review here by Euan Ferguson of a BBC Radio 4 programme by Peter Hitchens, yes, that Peter Hitchens, on the nature of the so-called and supposed Special Relationship between the US and the UK which you can hear until later today. Hitchens is not exactly the first name one might go to for such an exercise, but his very real conservatism is a curious thing which spins off in odd directions – much of it informed by enormous pessimism, from his very particular perspective, as regards the future across a range of areas whether economic, social and political.

For example here’s his take on what the future holds for the island of Ireland –

I wouldn’t have said this ten years ago, but I have since changed my mind. I am much less sure that Wales either wants or needs its own assembly, and I am completely against any sort of parliament for Northern Ireland which – if it is to have justice and law – would be much better off ruled directly from London. I think such a solution would also have been better by far for the Irish Republic, which is going to face many difficulties when it eventually absorbs Northern Ireland as a very anomalous and troublesome special autonomous zone.

Well, we’ll see.

Anyhow, it’s well worth listening to the programme which outlines how there are very strong links in diplomatic and military terms but how skewed this relationship actually is. And there’s this, which Ferguson notes:

Re-uncovered was the fact that America offered Polaris to France before Britain: De Gaulle rejected the offer, surmising correctly that he could then describe Britain as the US’s “vassal state”.


1. Mark P - June 30, 2014

That is indeed an interesting detail about Polaris.


WorldbyStorm - June 30, 2014

Clearly a very very special relationship where WMDs are offered first to the other guy. Sure, there was calculation in the US offer, but…


Gewerkschaftler - July 1, 2014

Hm… Eastern France is significantly closer to the Polaris targets. Could be pure logistics.


Michael Carley - July 1, 2014

I don’t think there are many submarines parked in Eastern France.


2. que - June 30, 2014

There was a good enough review of the decline of the Brits as a power on I think the Torygraph:

They want to bomb Syria but cannot without US permission/support;
Cameron loses that motion but its not even an issue;
EU responds to Ukraine and dont even involve the Brits;
Financial sector shrinking in size and number employed,
Army smallest since Waterloo;
Desperately trying to scare the natives in Scotland into staying in the UK.
Junker rubbed in their faces.
They have no aircraft carriers now.

A minor regional power indeed.


WorldbyStorm - June 30, 2014

And a symptom of this is UKIPs greater prominence (and even that is a bit cosmetic given that they are unlikely to win more than a handful of MPs if even that).


EWI - June 30, 2014

And most of that the end-product of Thatcherism (and its offshoot, New Labour).


Joe - July 1, 2014

Que’s list above got me thinking. Is the time ripe for expansion eastwards? Should we invade? 🙂


Gewerkschaftler - July 1, 2014

It’s happened before Joe – both in what is now Wales and what is now Scotland.

Of course then the people invading didn’t think of themselves as ‘Irish’ any more than the invadees thought of themselves as ‘Welsh’ or ‘Scottish’.

But no – I’ll respectfully decline your invitation, if that’s all right with you. Enough of that 19th century bollix.


Joe - July 1, 2014

I think you are right, Gewerker. Though there’s plenty of that 19th century bollix about in the 21st. But invasion at this point would not be a good idea. They’d whip our asses.


que - July 1, 2014

That’s defeatism Joe. We would be in London within weeks. Look at ISIS.

We could make you the caliph of some county. Beginning to sound good again?


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