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Žižek and…er… wage transparency… November 28, 2014

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Good review of Slavoj Žižek’s latest works in the Guardian recently from Terry Eagleton. I like Žižek if only because his instincts appear spot on, but it’s hard work given the noise to signal ratio. Let’s just say that wading through to find useful messages can be heavy going, and there’s no shortage of unusual messages. But this I think is spot on, not so much the political correctness bit (of which more again) but the last part:

Stentorian, faintly manic and almost impossible to shut up, Žižek is a man who gets out of bed talking about psychoanalysis and steps back into it holding forth on Zionism. As a frenetic intellectual activist, he always seems to be in six places on the planet at once, like Socrates on steroids. His day may begin with a visit to Julian Assange in the Ecuadorian embassy and end with writing supportive letters to one of the imprisoned Pussy Riot performers. In between, he passes his time antagonising a sizeable chunk of the world’s population. If he is a scourge of neo-capitalism, he is also a sworn foe of liberal pluralism and political correctness. He tells the story of how at an impeccably enlightened US seminar he attended, the chairperson began by asking each participant to state their name along with their sexual preference. Žižek throttled back the urge to announce that he enjoyed bedding young boys and drinking their blood. He also points out how much less forthcoming the participants would have been if asked to state their salaries.

I’m never that convinced that political correctness is half as problematic as some seem to think. Far too often the complaints seem to amount to ‘I want the ‘right’ to be as obnoxious and discourteous to others as I see fit with no regard to their feelings’. It’s difficult to ascertain the loss to society or human life in general that results from misogynistic, homophobic and/or other comments being considered obnoxious, discourteous and not being appropriate.

That said, the example given seems absurdly self-conscious on the part of those who would who ask questions about participants sexual preferences. None of their business is the response that springs to mind.

But, whatever about ‘political correctness’ more broadly Žižek is onto something in relation to his point about salaries and, presumably, consciously cuts through what is most likely an irrelevance (the sexual preference of participants) to get to the centrality of economic issues in shaping our lives. For discussing wages is, usually, a complete taboo in our societies. In the US discussing ones salary with other workers in a workplace can be a dismissible offence. It’s a means of differentiation within companies and between them.

As it happens in Sweden one can – I think for a small fee – access tax returns of any citizen, though an reason for the request is necessary. And most intriguingly the European Commission earlier this year had a number of recommendations on pay transparency which though not apparently going to quite the same degree strike off in that direction. Polly Toynbee some time ago discussed similar moves in the UK, and here is a US view from the Atlantic from a few years back.

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1. LeftAtTheCross - November 28, 2014

Just about Sweden, a brother-in-law of mine works for a MNC and on occasion has reason to visit one of the plants in Sweden. He mentioned in passing that there was a list of all of that subsidiary’s employee salaries on a notice board for all to see, and that the display of such information was legislated for there and accepted entirely as the norm by all who worked at the plant. Purely anecdotal but it does more or less correlate with what you’re saying above.

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2. CL - November 28, 2014

“The rise of Islamo-fascism, Žižek points out, went hand in hand with the disappearance of the secular left in Muslim countries, a disappearance the west itself did much to promote. Who now recalls that, 40 years ago, Afghanistan was a strong secular state with a powerful Communist party which took power there independently of the Soviet Union? Every emergence of fascism, Walter Benjamin wrote, bears witness to a failed revolution.”-an important point. http://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/nov/12/terry-eagleton-trouble-in-paradise-absolute-recoil-zizek-review

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CMK - November 28, 2014

+1

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FergusD - November 28, 2014

Also the failure ofArab nationalism to deliver (Nasserism, Baathism). Because the ideology itself couldn’t possible deliver what the Arab masses wanted and because the West was unremittingly hostile (which it would be to any far left developments anyware, including the Arab world). But best to blame it all on fundamentalist nut jobs.

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que - November 29, 2014

Yes the burn down the village to save it approach to the region has paid a bit of a surprising dividend.

Look at photos of Iran or Egypt from the 60s. Women and men drinking and socializing together. I have a friend from n. Africa who said when in the late in Algeria it was possible for women to wear normal clothes but that from the early 90s with the return of men from Afghanistan a change began to happen. Revolutionary impulse was tired up with religious dogmatism.

Again the US had no small role to play in allowing that form of political expression find strength.

Saudi Arabia must also get a red card because it choose to both remain a politically fundamentalist religious kingdom while availing of the opportunity to send political extremists abroad as a means of safeguarding it’s own corrupt leadership.

Combine a western superpower determined to smash any progressive movement with a middle East superpower willing to provide an alternate world view backed by Petro dollars and see what happens. It isn’t pretty is it.

Big losers are the people of the middle East and amongst them the bigger losers are women.

All because of some fear they would go communist.

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WorldbyStorm - November 29, 2014

+1

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Ed - November 28, 2014

Iraq might have been a better example for him to pick though, the Communists were the biggest party there in the last 50s and early 60s, until the army and the Ba’athists seized power and wiped them out (with some discreet assistance from the CIA). They were also very strong in Syria and Iran in the 50s, and in Sudan til a decade or so later. Afghanistan isn’t the best example because the PDPA was never popular, it only ever had a few thousand members concentrated in Kabul, they were able to take power by infiltrating the army. Still, it needs to be said that the PDPA government Washington was working to overthrow in the 80s with Pakistan and the Saudis was vastly more progressive than the government they’ve been propping up for the last decade (the US occupation has now lasted a good deal longer than the Soviet one, and cost a hell of a lot more).

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Ed - November 28, 2014

You can find here a very sensible and (sadly) far-sighted article by Tariq Ali and Gilbert Achcar from the very start of the Soviet war in Afghanistan, predicting that it would damage the left-wing forces in Muslim countries and strengthen the fundamentalists:

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=8FNIchn0jJMC&pg=PA76&lpg=PA76&dq=gilbert+achcar+AND+tariq+ali+AND+afghanistan&source=bl&ots=fpOSt4EILs&sig=gdjmr5K1v4PYEoMCg2Gvlp7pHy4&hl=en&sa=X&ei=7al4VMvnCePm7gbkzYDACQ&ved=0CE0Q6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=gilbert%20achcar%20AND%20tariq%20ali%20AND%20afghanistan&f=false

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que - November 29, 2014

“the Saudis was vastly more progressive than the government they’ve been propping up for the last decade”

And thats saying something because Saudi Arabia is as obnoxious an entity that could be imagined.

182 beheadings this year with many women in there. Some of them for fighting off rapists.

I am coming around to the view that Saudi Arabia is in the same league as south Africa though maybe with a subtler violence and a more traditional form of discrimination but none the less an apartheid state.

Vastly more progressive than the Taliban could be better rendered as slightly better than the Taliban.

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WorldbyStorm - November 29, 2014

It is absolutely bizarre the way Saudi gets a free pass in so many respects from the US and the UK, isn’t it? It’s not that I expect much or anything to be done about it, but the closeness is incredible. And then compare and contrast with Iran which while terribly flawed has at least a number of mechanisms that however inexpertly and however often blocked express at least some democratic will.

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Binky - November 29, 2014

Why bizarre?

Saudi Arabia is still in front of Russia as the leading oil producer. It has an effective veto over opec production decisions. The oil consuming empire prizes stability over civilisation.

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CL - November 29, 2014

Since its formation the Saudi state, and family, have been interlinked with Wahabism,-a fundamentalist Islamic sect.
“The story of the I.S. is not merely the tale of an insurgency in Iraq gone sour. It is also linked to a longer narrative: the use by Saudi Arabia of its vast oil wealth to nurture generations of jehadis, both in the kingdom and outside it.”
http://www.frontline.in/world-affairs/rise-of-the-jehadis/article6632703.ece#test

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CMK - November 29, 2014

Speaking of Saudi getting a free pass; the Saudi government gets one here in Ireland. One of the big things being pushed in Irish higher education now, as in other systems, is attracting fee paying non-EU students. Gues who have plenty of cash to fund students studying abroad. Also, another huge education ‘market’ is accrediting courses abroad. For instance one institution I am familiar with here is deeply involved in the strictly gender segregated, women only, Princess Noor University (google it) for big, big bucks. As the customer is always right it’s best not to think too deeply about the ould Wahhabism and it’s social system and view of the world.

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CL - November 29, 2014

CMK,-This seems to be the one you are referring to.
“It is also planned to be a car-free environment, operating a shuttle monorail train and electric buggies for internal transport, while solar panels stretched on the campus will reportedly generate 18 percent of the power needed for air-conditioning.”
http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/05/15/149218.html
You gotta love that ‘car-free environment’. Women being forbidden to drive.
ISIS goes farther and enslaves women, but both practices derive from the same misogynist fundamentalism.

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Binky - November 29, 2014

Absolutely – good to see that a majority here get it regarding this long wave historical blowback. Or could islamo-facism be part of an improvised strategy of controlled chaos by the destroyers of secular socialism in the middle east?

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Gewerkschaftler - December 1, 2014

Hm… don’t know about the controlled chaos theory. I’d tend more to the cockup and conflicting interests theory in the Middle East.

Certainly there are those who profit mightily from continuous war, but I’m not convinced their profits are higher in state of civil war rather than with compliant customers. Like, for instance, Saudi Arabia.

But then, controlled chaos is exactly the right way to describe the destabilisation of Ukraine…

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3. sonofstan - November 28, 2014

Re Zizek’s instincts (I may have told this story before…)

The first time I saw him speak, back in 2000, at Essex, to a crowded room of very competitive academics, all vying to ask the cleverest question, I was impressed when, as a local SWP head asked a rambling, ‘question’ – really more the sort of speech pretending to be a question familiar from political meetings – and the chair a very famous philosopher tried to shut him up, Zizek overruled him, listened very patiently to the guy, and then answered him comprehensively and sympathetically. Those of you familiar with the game of academic presentations will be able to imagine how this riled all the very clever people present.

That and the fact that he teaches at Birkbeck and is actually there quite often AFAIK.

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Garibaldy - November 28, 2014

Perhaps his position at the last Greek elections and remarks about the KKE put all his posturing about Robespierre, Mao, terror etc into place, and show where his instincts lie.

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emerald - November 28, 2014

salaries in the public sector, are, so, v.important to those ‘professionals’ who earn them. they then can toddle off on the car ferries, with their progeny, to French camp-sites; and come back and instruct us on just how merlot complements maasdam. But the seam of the problem is, then, how these ‘professionals’, from that image, appropriate, up-to, a stronger acquisition of the indigenous populaces’ lives and aspirations. Effectively, over time, managing to put in limits; even before the ordinary person has consciously acted to better their life.
these ‘professionals’ are acceding to the 15th/16th century doctrines of (civilization) parochial, charity and magnanimity; whilst themselves, effectively, not practising it.

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WorldbyStorm - November 29, 2014

What on earth are you talking about?

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emerald - November 29, 2014

‘image’ – this neo-nazi world in which we live; promulgated mainly,(firstly) through neo-capitalist corporations.
and how, in the ordinary persons’ lives, there simply is not time to reach a personal authenticity and therefore; personal realisation and action/s.
and how, ‘professionals’, do tend not to impart acquired, scientific, etc. insight, to the ordinary person; but merely administer the very least, of same.
wooops, and, …. the GAA,… the new ‘master-race’, (who do vote, and control small towns).

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CMK - November 29, 2014

Jeff, is that you?

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WorldbyStorm - November 29, 2014

I hate the term ‘professionals’ for many reasons, not least that it is self-deluding, and not just in the PS but also and especially in the private sector (I’ve heard people who do the same job as me say that we don’t unionise because we’re supposedly professionals, yeah, tell the bosses that) but I can’t agree with you if you think that somehow some crew who self-consider themselves professionals make or break taste in relation to merlot or maasdam. There’s an ALDI 100 meters down the road from where I live and I see the parents of the kids in the national school my daughter goes to who are about as far from PS ‘professionals’ as you or I can imagine – and more power to them – buying merlot or maasdam or whatever and having none of the hang ups or gripes that – with all due respect – you appear to do about this. And I think they’re doing just fine on personal authenticity.

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CL - November 29, 2014

Some clarification here;

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sallyArmy - November 29, 2014

+1

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emerald - November 29, 2014

more power to them?… more power to:- Aldi.
‘professionals’ – there probably is not a consultant in this entire country who is not is a Union. And these are the ‘uber-professionals’ of this country; who occupy the land of both: public, and, private.
But, you can bet: they are in some kind of ‘organisation’ or ‘association’; who assess standards/ethics etc.; and, then, based on this, (their) ‘moral stance/s’; most probably do? enter into wage negotiations on behalf of their ‘professional’ members; (these members, also having some, even part-time, participation, in the private sector).

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Dr. Nightdub - November 29, 2014

To paraphrase Johnny Rotten; “Ever feel you’ve just been punctuated?”

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WorldbyStorm - November 29, 2014

Read again what I said emerald:

” There’s an ALDI 100 meters down the road from where I live and I see the parents of the kids in the national school my daughter goes to who are about as far from PS ‘professionals’ as you or I can imagine – and more power to them ”

It’s perfectly clear in the above that I’m not talking about your ‘professionals’. I’m talking about people who are not your ‘professionals’.

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4. Phil - November 29, 2014

Takes me back. I remember my Dad riffing on how unthinkable it was to talk about one’s income, with quite a similar comparison – You can say, whereabouts are you from, Mr Smith? What do you do for a living, Mr Smith? What are your hobbies, Mr Smith? If you know him well enough you can say, what do you get up to in bed with Mrs Smith? But you must never say, How much do you earn, Mr Smith? About 1977, that would have been.

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WorldbyStorm - November 29, 2014

Yep. Very true.

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5. Eugene - November 29, 2014

Here is an interesting debate between Zizek and Shamir Amin. Always believe as a thinker Zizek was over rated.

Amin is way ahead of him in his political thinking and understanding of the world around us. Great piece by him in Politicaleconomy.ie.

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Binky - November 29, 2014

I read part of the article to which you are presumably referring, eugene. As so often with leninist/maoist contributions, the analysis is often sound but the solutions worn out.

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6. Binky - November 29, 2014

Wage transparency, incidentally, is a reasonably effective tool against tax evasion. If your neighbours have a declared income of 20k and have a new beamer parked outside it’s socially acceptable to shop them to the authorities.

I’d rather live with a degree of mutual surveillance than the nod and a wink complicity that prevails where there is no such transparency.

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DarkSanta - November 29, 2014

whooo too whit tooo, whooo…. is,… the local bank manager?

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