Ni dieu ni maître. Ni patrie, ni patron.
Did anyone see this in yesterday’s Observer. Ed Vulliamy offered his 10 ‘best revolutionaries’.
Ernesto ‘Che’ Guevara
Maximilien Robespierre
Rosa Luxemburg
Mahatma Gandhi
Toussaint L’Ouverture
Mary Harris ‘Mother’ Jones
James Connolly
Emiliano Zapata
Frantz Fanon
Leon Trotsky
Any additional names that should be in the mix?
| yourcousin on Commemorating the formation of… | |
| banjoagbeanjoe on Those latest plans for the… | |
| banjoagbeanjoe on Commemorating the formation of… | |
| Tomboktu on What you want to say – 24 Febr… | |
| Tomboktu on What you want to say – 24 Febr… | |
| WorldbyStorm on What you want to say – 24 Febr… | |
| WorldbyStorm on Commemorating the formation of… | |
| EWI on Commemorating the formation of… | |
| Liberius on What you want to say – 24 Febr… | |
| yourcousin on Commemorating the formation of… | |
| banjoagbeanjoe on Commemorating the formation of… | |
| Paul Culloty on What you want to say – 24 Febr… | |
| Paul Culloty on What you want to say – 24 Febr… | |
| yourcousin on Commemorating the formation of… | |
| Colm B on Commemorating the formation of… |
Fair play to them for putting Connolly in there.
As far as the “best” goes- how does one rate the “best”?
most success at strategy?
most success in creating a stable and effective government after the revolution?
most moral transition process ie not murdering political and economic enemies)?
most enduring pop culture legacy?
longest lasting political impression?
Most intellectually original?
Just some ideas I think would make a more thought-provoking list.
LikeLike
I can’t even work out Ed V’s rationale, assuming there was one.
LikeLike
Spartacus ?
Gerrard Winstanley?
Nat Turner?
Emma Goldman?
LikeLike
I know, once one starts the whole thing begins to break down.
LikeLike
Michael Collins? Rosa Parks? Emma Goldman? Every woman and man who ever stood up for anything? Top ten? It’s not exactly a late-night show punchline or a sport, is it? Thank you for bringing this ridiculous piece of tripe into the light into which it deserves to be shone upon.
Right about Connolly, though.
LikeLiked by 2 people
Yet another reason to despair of the CiF section- it’s full of Indian
far-rightists whinging about Gandhi and demanding the Mussolini
and Tojo cheerleader Subhas Chandra Bose should have been
picked instead.
No doubt their Irish counterparts would whinge “Connolly? They picked that Scottish Bolshie instead of a real Irish patriot like Gearóid Ó Cuinneagáin?”
LikeLike
The curse of the listicle strikes again. It’s like the team sheets for the Philosophers football match in Monty Python.
LikeLike
Worst counter-revolutionaries, i.e. most violent
reactionaries?
A possible list:
Henry le Despenser
Robert Stewart, Viscount Castlereagh
Jefferson Davis & Nathan Bedford Forrest
Tsar Alexander II
Benito Mussolini
A. Mitchell Palmer & J. Edgar Hoover
Adolf Hitler, Heinrich Himmler & Reinhard Heydrich
Corneliu Codreanu
Francisco Franco Bahamonde
Joseph Mccarthy
Hendrik Verwoerd
Augusto Pinochet
LikeLike
Josef Stalin, surely.
LikeLike
Stalin always claimed to be a man of the political left, though,
which I why I left out the Georgian butcher.
LikeLike
“which is why I left out the Georgian butcher.”
Heck, I need a spellchecker in my browser…
LikeLike
Bit late, but I actually meant Tsar Alexander III there. Alexander the Turd it is.
LikeLike
And don’t forget Pat Rabbitte.
Ktish – got there first! 🙂
LikeLike
Can’t believe Pat Rabbitte didn’t make the list 🙂
LikeLike
Fuck it, I was going to say that 😦
LikeLike
Comrade Rabbitte is TOO RADICAL for that list.
LikeLike
Bakunin, Kropotkin, Louise Michel, Durruti, Nestor Makhno…libertarians written out of history again…same ole, same ole
LikeLike
Exactly, well put.
LikeLike
Makhno and Durruti +1
LikeLike
Gandhi was in favour of radical decentralisation, though. He’s
discussed at length in the Woodcock and Marshall histories of anarchism as well.
There’s been accusations that Gandhi was racist against
black people (which seem to originate in the hatchet-job
on him by the US neocon Richard Grenier ).
In the book “The Gandhi Reader” by
Homer A. Jack, Gandhi is asked about the
African American issue several times. In one 1930s interview
by the African American activist Howard Thurman.
Gandhi states
“Supposing I was a Negro, and my sister was ravished by a white or lynched by a whole community, what would be my duty?— I ask myself. And the answer comes to me: I must not wish ill to these, but neither must I cooperate with them.”
In another 1930s interview about black Americans, Gandhi
states:
“With right which is on their (blacks) side and the choice of nonviolence as their only weapon if they will make it, a bright future is assured.”
That’s only two quotes out of a huge body of writings, but
it does seem Gandhi was not hostile, but sympathetic
to to the plight of black Americans.
LikeLike
Agree with you on Gandhi Starkadder, and of course a few people here also mentioned Emma Goldman- yourself included
LikeLike
“But that does not exempt him from criticism. He was gripped by a set of regressive personal fixations and phobias, had a very limited intellectual formation, was impervious to rational argument, and entirely unaware of the damage he was doing to the national movement by suffusing it with Hindu pietism as he reconceived it. He is to be respected, with all his blindness. But there is no need to sentimentalize him. The complete latitude he gave himself to declare as truth whatever he happened to say at any time, and then change it from one day to the next, still as the word of God shining through him, set a disastrous example for his followers and admirers. Nowhere more so than in his inconsistencies on satyagraha itself. For when it suited him, he was perfectly willing to contemplate violence —not only to send Indian peasants to their death on the Somme in the service of their colonial masters, or applaud Indian bombers taking off to conquer Kashmir, but calmly to envisage communal slaughter—‘civil war’— in the subcontinent as preferable to expelling the British. As a historian, one has to take cool stock of all this, not skate over it as Gandhi’s apologists continually do.” from http://www.europe-solidaire.org/spip.php?article26889
LikeLike
Indeed.
LikeLike
Always had an admiration for Victor Serge
LikeLike
Pol Pot was an absolute maniac and cultural destroyer – on the left.
and Mao Tse Tung.
LikeLike
Interesting that Vulliamy’s list included one Irish-born revolutionary, and two of Irish descent
LikeLike
I’m guessing you mean one Irish (but Scots-born) and two of Irish descent😉
This list is typically true clickbait of the type that newspaper websites will have to increasingly rely upon to retain some kind of audience; and yet, it’s good to see some people there being ‘praised’, if that’s the right word; recognized, anyway.
I’d also second Emma Goldman, Kropotkin. Given the non-existent criteria I’d also give a shout out to Sacco&Vanzetti, Joe Hill, Eugene Debs and our own Bernadette Devlin.
LikeLike
No Pól: I meant what I mean. (Mother Jones was born in Cork).
LikeLike
I sit corrected! I’d forgotten that.
LikeLike
Lenin.
LikeLike
Surely in this era when we’ve moved beyond the tired old politics of Left and Right there should be space in that list for revolutionaries like Steve Jobs and Mark Zuckerberg who have done so much to truly revolutionise the lives of so many in a way that the others could only dream of…
LikeLike
🙂
…Bezos, the Googlies.
LikeLike
Eurocentric but at least there’s Toussaint L’Ouverture.
Why no Asians?
Whatever you may think about Mao and Zhou Enlai they certainly shaped modern Asia. Ho Chi Minh?
What about Simon Bolivar? Arguably more influential in the long term than Che.
Was personally pleased to see Mary Harris Jones and Rosa Luxemburg there.
LikeLike
Giuseppe Garibaldi,
Tom Paine
Tito
Ataturk
Pancho Villa
Victor Serge
Elizabeth Gurley Flynn
John Maclean
Wolf Tone
Alexandra Kollonttai
Oliver Cromwell (I know but he did chop off an English Kings head;)
Nikolay Bukharin
Alexander Sylyapnikov
Leopold Trepper
Ken Loach
Big Bill Haywood
I better stop, I’m enjoying this to much
LikeLike
Closer to home
some might even include Gerry Adams.
Why no Fidel?
LikeLike
If your sticking in Europe what about the religious revolutionaries.
Winstanley (see above) and Thomas Müntzer.
LikeLike
Sorry here again, didn’t the French revolution happen? Danton, Robespierrer etc? Howerver it panned out Napolean certainly changed Europe in a revolutionary manner.
LikeLike
No Saint-Just? Big omission there.
LikeLike
Vo Nguyen Giap. Someone who went through the shit personally and led the forces that defeated Imperialism twice.
LikeLike
Yes, Giáp if one is thinking of revolutionary military commanders.
Defeated the Japanese, the French and the US at the height of its power – truly remarkable.
LikeLike
And in Literature, our own Ethel Lillian Voynich nee Boole, who wrote for its time the revolutionary The Gadfly.
LikeLike
Thomas Clarke? Without him, there’s no 1916 Rising.
LikeLike
Or how about Martin Luther King and Malcolm X (time has yet to prove which one was right)? Simon Bolivar? FDR?
LikeLike
Simon Bolivar an ongoing project, ALBA is the modern equivelant EWI.
LikeLike
Simon Bolivar has Bolivia named after him. An Irish-origin revolutionary in South America from the early 19th century was Bernardo O’Higgins. Main streets in several countries including Chile are named after him. The government of Chile gratefully erected a bilingual monument to Bernardo and his ancestors in a Sligo square beside the River Garravogue some years ago. Viva Bernardo!
LikeLike
Indeed there is.
Fascinating family – his father Ambrosio was a from Co Sligo, then a tenant farmer in Co. Meath, then went to South America as essentially an itinerant trader.
He then got jobs as an engineer and rose in the occupying Spanish army until he was made Viceroy of Chile – he was a great organiser & road builder and got on well with the indigenous people, reportedly.
Both generations would make a great historical novel/film.
LikeLike
I always keep an eye out for the results of O’Higgins, the football club based in the mining city of Rancagua. Two seasons ago they won the Chilean League for the first time.
LikeLike
Flag of the Army of the Andes. in which O’Higgins fils served under the great San Martín as Brigadier.
LikeLike
Note the Jacobin cap.
LikeLike
The bones of at least one good table quiz question there, eamonncork
LikeLike
What nobler purpose can one serve?
LikeLike
EamonnC takes a particular interest in an obscure club in the Chilean league. I wonder what other distractions are followed by Sligo Rovers fans all over Sligo to divert their thoughts from the distressing reality of Rovers’ position in the table?
LikeLike
I find weeping to be a great help.
LikeLike
And also the thought of how Cabinteely, Cobh and Waterford are apparently very nice places to visit.
LikeLike
I guess Cabinteely will be at least a new one. Miss Waterford myself..
LikeLike
And feel I should apologise for Heary
LikeLike
Good season for Bohs though. And in fairness a lot of the damage was done both pre and post Heary. I think though it’ll be Limerick who go down and Drogheda who end up in a play-off against UCD who’d be very dangerous opposition. Be nice to see Wexford in the top flight.
LikeLike
[…] The ’10 best revolutionaries’ […]
LikeLike
I often wonder do those that sloganise about Che for example ever pause to think what a revolution entails. It means being prepared to kill at the drop of a hat and be prepared to die likewise.Che was ruthless and had to be,dispatching informers and collaborators without any qualms.As someone who lived through it all up here,any sort of conflict is definitely not nice and I hope I never see it again.All those on the list had a just cause ,deserving of support but many of them had to carry out actions that T shirt wearing wannabes would literally shit themselves if asked to carry out.
LikeLiked by 1 person
Which is why I shudder at the incoming tide. Social media memes won’t beat them.
LikeLiked by 1 person
It is an oddity isn’t it, the dislocation between the reality and the imagery roddy. Agree entirely.
LikeLike