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Violent scenes in Chicago March 12, 2016

Posted by WorldbyStorm in Uncategorized.
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I love this line from Slate.com and an article on Trump:

The GOP front-runner is facing a well-funded #NeverTrump movement that’s built on the idea that he isn’t just a Democratic sheep in Republican wolf’s clothing; he’s a Democratic sheep in Republican wolf’s clothing who is also insane.

Well, if the hat fits. Thoguh of course he’s not in the slightest bit insane. He’s a shrewd and canny operator who is well able to manipulate the Republican party and its members and broader support base, or sufficient of same to offer him a remarkably large bloc of support.

The piece continues:

Trump needs to counter that narrative in order to protect his delegate lead—and to make it more difficult for the GOP establishment to use a contested convention to block him from the nomination in the event he doesn’t win a majority of delegates by the time he gets to Cleveland this summer. He got help with that before the debate began Thursday, when Republican National Chairman Reince Priebus took the stage and told the crowd: “I want to get something completely clear because there’s been a lot of talk about this. This party is going to support the nominee—whoever that is—100 percent. There’s no question about that.”

 

But while the line above is entertaining the dynamics unleaded by Trump are anything but. Actual violence at a rally was pretty much waved away by Trump during the debate last Thursday. That violence could actually break out seems to trouble him remarkably little. That his own comments might have fuelled it ditto. 

And now, and now we have the latest scenes in Chicago. What is interesting to me is that Cruz, Kasich etc have, for once pointed the finger for generating an environment where they could occur firmly at Trump. And rightly so too. His indifference to (or in some instance seeming support for) a low level of violence at his own events has been key to this.

There is, without question, something extremely ugly about what is happening in and around his campaign. To argue that it is fascist, at least in the programmatic sense, is clearly incorrect. But it is something and something that has been largely unseen in recent times. Is this a result of social and class tensions, economic uncertainty, a changed media – perhaps all those and more.

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1. CL - March 12, 2016

“”There is this escalating pattern of behavior that’s only happening at Donald Trump events. It’s incredibly dangerous. His rhetoric is unmistakable and it is calculated and it is intentional,”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/breitbart-spokesman-resigns-over-trump-aide-assault-this-shit-just-sucks_us_56e33acfe4b065e2e3d607b7

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WorldbyStorm - March 12, 2016

And the Breitbart guy was a conservative. Did you see the Slate.com piece today about how conservative women are subjected to serious social media attack and of course Trumps own brand of insults should they dare to dissent from him or criticise him in the slightest.

I don’t know. I really don’t.

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2. gendjinn - March 12, 2016

Don’t worry, the programmatic aspect will be added by the camp followers should he win election.

Remember the saying that when fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in nationalism and draped in Christianity.

Trump may not satisfy the precise definition of fascist but he definitely warrants the opposition such a satisfaction would provide.

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WorldbyStorm - March 12, 2016

I’ve got to agree entirely. It’s a weird outgrowth isn’t it? It’s genuinely disturbing how far matters have gone and how far they’ve been let go. Marion McKeone in the SBP the week before last IIRC lambasted the US media for not covering the low level violence and thuggishness at Trumps rallies then. It makes one wonder if what we’ve seen this week is merely the tip of the iceberg in terms of what is going on. And it raises some deeply uncomfortable questions about both the US media and in a way the Republican party that this can happen (though in a way I think this goes so far beyond them and into something much broader, deeper and disturbing).

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gendjinn - March 12, 2016

Have you ever compared contemporary musical genres in the US to UK/EU over time? Say grunge vs shoegaze for example.

There really is something rotten at the core of the US that I believe emanates from settler colonisation and the slave economies. This is then compounded by the western expansion, a continuation of settler colonisation and genocide. Hispanics replacing African Americans as the totemic object of racism & violence.

It’s always been there and it’s shown it’s face before but the establishment throw all occasions down the memory hole (did you see NBC allowed HRC to redo her AIDS interview for rebroadcast on the west coast?). Recall Buchanan in the 80s, Reagan & Bitburg. The attempt at fascist coup by a cabal that included a Bush antecedent.

The Trump shaped hole has been there for quite some time, as have people been warning the GOP where the path they were on was heading.

It’s not all doom and gloom. The rise of the minorites in the US combined with the large millennial generation point to better choices coming. Little short of an outright coup can stop it’s eventual ascendency.

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3. CL - March 12, 2016

“For Trump’s supporters, the pushing and shoving, and even the outright violence, against protesters, and the menacingly carnivalesque atmosphere are, to an extent, an end in itself. Just observe how groups at Trump rallies spontaneously come together to roughen up a protester. The sheer emotional intensity of their facial expressions shows us precisely why they support Trump and why no policy proposal from any of his competitors can ever come close to diminishing Trump in his supporters’ eyes. Violence is electrifying and community building as much as it is devastating for those on the receiving end. Action over politics.”
http://www.salon.com/2016/03/11/trumps_not_hitler_hes_mussolini_how_gop_anti_intellectualism_created_a_modern_fascist_movement_in_america/

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WorldbyStorm - March 12, 2016

Just rewatching the footage from this weekend and the week that’s what strikes me most. There’s so many of them getting off on the threat of violence. I don’t think in five decades of watching US politics as a spectator I’ve ever seen anything close to it. Say what one likes about Bush or whoever it just never descended to this level.

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CL - March 12, 2016

Trump poses a dilemma for the Republican party. The National Review crowd ditched him a while ago. The other Republican candidates are now trying to distance themselves too.
How long can these candidates and the Republican party continue to say that they will support Trump if he’s the nominee?

“Billionaires, tech CEOs and top members of the Republican establishment flew to a private island resort off the coast of Georgia this weekend for the American Enterprise Institute’s annual World Forum, according to sources familiar with the secretive gathering.

The main topic at the closed-to-the-press confab? How to stop Republican front-runner Donald Trump.”

“The key task now, to once again paraphrase Karl Marx, is less to understand Trump than to stop him,” said Bill Kristol.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/aei-world-forum-donald-trump_us_56ddbd38e4b0ffe6f8ea125d

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gendjinn - March 13, 2016

I visualise the growth of displays of anger/violence as a steady upward trajectory over decades, with a sine wave component. At the Trump rallies you’re seeing the top of the sine wave now start slopping water onto the deck. Yes this is a significant new departure now that the waves are lapping onto the deck, but it didn’t happen overnight.

But a steady increase has critical points, step increases, like a buffered solution that can absorb a certain amount of acid without changing pH will all of a sudden flip as the buffer is exhausted. The manifestation of violence at the Trump rallies and the permission given to it by the candidate is a noticeable increase on previous presidential candidates. But then so was Bush’s, but it was much slyer than Trumps.

The Tea party has been associated with violence since it started, and they are essentially the Trump base.

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4. CL - March 12, 2016

“as the repeated chants of “Ber-nie” demonstrated, it was largely organized by supporters of Sanders, the Democratic presidential candidate who has struggled to win over black voters but whose revolutionary streak has excited radicals of all racial demographics…

A Facebook page was started to promote the protest. By the night of the Trump rally, more than 11,600 people had RSVP’d on the page saying they would attend the event. Another 19,000 said they were “interested.” Organizers were shocked when Facebook’s analytics said the page reached more than 1.5 million users.”
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/how-bernie-sanders-supporters-shut-down-donald-trump-s-rally-n537191

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5. CL - March 13, 2016

Mayor Bill de Blasio of NYC has denounced Trump as a racist.
And said the mayor:
“The answer to proto-fascism is better democracy. The answer to economic fear and insecurity is actual re-distribution of wealth.”
http://pix11.com/2016/03/12/de-blasio-of-course-donald-trump-is-a-racist/

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CL - March 13, 2016

Texas Sen. Ted Cruz accused Trump of encouraging his supporters to physically assault activists.

“Unlike Donald Trump, I don’t ask people in the audience to punch people in the face. I don’t ask them to engage in physical violence against protesters,” he said in Kansas City. “And I think the way you interact with the citizens expresses what kind of President you’ll be.”
http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/12/politics/donald-trump-protests/

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