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Speaking of being relevant or redundant… March 24, 2016

Posted by WorldbyStorm in Uncategorized.

Thought I should mention that I unintentionally misquoted Michael McDowell the other day, it wasn’t relevant or redundant he said in relation to government formation but radical or redundant. That said, cynics might suggest it amounts to much the same thing. And in the dance that is currently playing out the news from RTÉ that:

A number of small groups, parties and independents have agreed to take part in round table talks organised by Fine Gael tomorrow [that would be today – Thursday].

…hardly comes as a surprise. For one tricky aspect of all this for independents is to demonstrate that they are indeed relevant. Otherwise what purpose people voting for them if they aren’t going to be in the picture for… well… something. What that something might be is tricky to determine but note the constellation of Ind/Others involved:

The Independent Alliance, as well as a group of five rural independents, the Green Party, and TDs Katherine Zappone and Maureen O’Sullivan have agreed to participate in the talks.


Independent Thomas Pringle declined the offer.

That all this is likely pointless is neither here nor there in relation to the supposed central issue. Profiles are being boosted. Fine Gael is showing its new softer gentler listening side. Fianna Fáil is on the outside (at least in terms of perceptions) and on it goes.

Still, can’t help the ‘rural independents’, can it, who seem to have jumped ahead of the Independent Alliance?


1. Paddy Healy - March 24, 2016

FG has reiterated that it will be retining water charges. All those participating are at least prepared to drop abolition of charges as a red line issue for participation in government.
“Some 17 TDs, including the Green Party, the Healy-Rae brothers, Katherine Zappone and Maureen O’Sullivan, have accepted an invitation from Mr Kenny to take part in a formal round-table meeting today.”-Irish Independent 24/03

The names of “others” not involved in the “Round Table” are equally informative. They are: Seamus Healy, Catherine Connolly, Thomas Pringle, Joan Collins, Tommy Broughan, Clare Daly, Mick Wallace, AAA-PBP(6)


Joe - March 24, 2016

Yep, it sort of helps a little when we are trying to sort out independents – ‘left’ independents and ‘right’ independents. Probably a bit simplistic, but as I say, it helps a little. Under this method, people such as Finian McGrath, John Halligan and Maureen O’Sullivan are filed under ‘right’.


Paddy Healy - March 24, 2016

We must remember that politicians are normally in motion from left to right as they get older (and the pension looms)


Joe - March 24, 2016

Yep, not just politicians. Me, too.


2. roddy - March 24, 2016

Some on here hailed Zappone’s election.Why?


3. Paddy Healy - March 24, 2016

I have deeply distrusted Zappone since she withdrew a Bill she had proposed in the Seanad to protect Lone parents from Burton cuts. This avoided labour senators including Bacik having to vote against it.
She is what Phoenix calls one of the “luvies”. She has been just allowed to give a continuous 3 minute speech on RTE and been allowed to avoid answering any questions. We’LL be sick of listening to her on RTe beore long!!!


Jolly Red Giant - March 24, 2016

Yep – she’ll be the new darling of the media.

It should be noted the the R2C ‘leaders’ and elements of the so-called R2C ‘community pillar’ have gone into overdrive on social media attacking the suggestion by Paul Murphy for a mass anti-water charges protest to force FF, the SDs (and Indos like Halligan, O’Sullivan etc) to abolish water charges. There is now a serious danger that approach of R2C could snatch defeat from the jaws of victory (and then they will undoubtedly proceed to blame the AAA).


WorldbyStorm - March 24, 2016

I hadn’t realised that about that Bill, useful to know.


CMK - March 24, 2016

Not to mention her role in the Jobstown incident. She has never clarified why she defied the wishes of the An Cosan graduating students and ploughed ahead with inviting Burton, when the same students had made clear they didn’t want Burton to attend. It might come out in the trial.


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