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Talks between FF and FG off! April 13, 2016

Posted by WorldbyStorm in Uncategorized.
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It will be most interesting to see how this narrative develops. According to the IT:

A planned meeting between Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil on Wednesday evening has been cancelled amid indications of a breakdown in talks between the two parties.
The two parties were scheduled to meet at 8 pm to exchange policy documents but it was cancelled at short notice, and there are no further meetings planned.

Who cancelled out? The Independent suggests:

The two parties were due to hold a discussion on policy issues this evening but Independent.ie has learned that Fianna Fáil cancelled at the last minute.

Not sure FF really gets what the perception of all this is going to be. What was I saying the other day about FG doing politics really badly. They’re not the only ones.

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1. dublinstreams - April 13, 2016

are we going to have to listen to Noel Rock again?

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WorldbyStorm - April 13, 2016

It’s going to be compulsory, twice a day, twelve hours apart.

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dmoc - April 13, 2016

After the collapse of the USSR, a couple of Russian men were roughing it in the forest of Siberia. They found a strange little metal sphere that was warm. So they got up close, and were glad of the heat.

It was a Strontium nuclear fuel powered gizmo to help pilots navigate. These things were forgotten about post collapse. The two men were dead from radiation in 24 hours. But for that little moment of warmth, no doubt they were most grateful.

Moral of the story is be careful of unexpected strokes of good fortune.

You’d think Irish politicians would know this by now. Well, back to FF/FG silly buggers. They’ll find a way to blame the trots and SF for not being interested in government, something something hurler on the ditch something something.

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Mick 2 - April 13, 2016

Q. Imagine you are old enough to be elected to Dáil Éireann. Write a speech outlining FOUR issues you feel strongly about as a young person in Ireland…

Who will be up next for the obligatory inspirational quotation after Thomas Jefferson in round 1 and Bobby Kennedy in round 2?!

And will Catherine Byrne second “Enda Kennedy” again?

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2. CL - April 13, 2016

Any further word on the Healy-Rae split?

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dmoc - April 13, 2016

Someone (may have been on comments here) suggested a third Healy Rae could take a seat in the next GE. They have the votes for it.

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WorldbyStorm - April 14, 2016

I think it was the Irish Times. In fairness a fair bit of the time the H-R’s are like voices of sanity.

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gendjinn - April 14, 2016

They have a councillor elected there too, right?

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CL - April 14, 2016

The Healy-Rae Nua, -Danny-, is opposed to backing a FG minority govt., while Michael is willing, provided he gets a ministry. The FF gene pool influence is much stronger in the former than the latter. Might be time for Professor Byrne to do a comparative DNA analysis and see if there is any Anglo-Norman gene influencing Michael.

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3. The Broken Elbow - April 13, 2016

So what’s the real problem here? FF refuse to commit political suicide and assist SF in becoming the only opposition to what is likely to be an unpopulat govt? Strikes me that if this is a real breakdown FF are behaving rationally and in their own best interests……..

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WorldbyStorm - April 14, 2016

Well, the problem at ground level is that there’s no clear indication that a second election would see a sharp increase for either FF or FG. Anything but. Indeed the sort of spikes in support that would be necessary for those parties to have an overall government majority or even a larger minority position would require fairly large shifts in public opinion. This – from a left perspective isn’t great, the idea of FF and FG back again, whatever about SF, isn’t calculated to get the blood racing. So a second election would leave us where we are but more so – and just on your point re SF it is highly unlikely to lead to a situation where SF wouldn’t be contending strongly from opposition.

Which suggests that it is up to FF and FG to deal with this.

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gendjinn - April 14, 2016

True but it’s poor PR not to make an effort effort to masque it behind some in-the-national-interest chaff.

I see it now “Vote FF. They won’t go into government!” Not one to rally the base to the polls, is it?

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WorldbyStorm - April 14, 2016

Very true.

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4. The Broken Elbow - April 14, 2016

It seems to me that you’re condemning FF for not helping the hangman tighten the knot in the noose…..as for the left’s interests there’s nothing to fight for here at all. If the system is banjaxed then so be it…….

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5. The Broken Elbow - April 14, 2016

As for your final sentence there are too many double negatives for this time of night!

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WorldbyStorm - April 14, 2016

Yeah, there was one too many, wasn’t there?🙂 But I’m trying to say that really there’s no particular good way for FF in all this – which is kind of what you’re saying too. That if it it went into govt with FG it’s going to get hassle from the opposition (and not SF alone in that instance) and if it supports an FG minority govt from ‘opposition’ itself it’s going to get hassle. On the other hand is it inevitable that SF would necessarily prosper in ether of those instances? Yes is my first instinct too. But… have they hit a ceiling in their support,and is it possible that the swing to FF evident last time out would come to a halt? I don’t know…

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6. dublinstreams - April 14, 2016

I don’t know what FF are up, its bizarre but maybe these moves yesterday and today are aimed its own members to give them a reality check to kill the idea off that FF could form a government or even that Martin could be Taoiseach at some point and get on with doing the real deal.

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irishelectionliterature - April 14, 2016

That’s possible. Like most work places politics is rarely spoken about in mine, however there’s been a lot of people giving out about FF and to a lesser extent FG in the past week or so.
FF were high after the election result and were all set for a second election but I think they are realising that another election could be a disaster for them.
I also think that there must be elements regretting the instant rejection of a partnership deal. If they do come to an agreement with FG there will be a good lot wistfully looking on as Enda doles out all the cabinet posts! …..and them stuck supporting them for nothing!

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