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And here are some of the details on that from wiki, including polling on the issue [which can be seen here]. A chance, just a chance, to break the stalemate and deliver a left of centre government? We’ll see.
Any thoughts?
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Good overview in Jacobin Mag here.
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One of the strengths of the Unidos Podemos approach is that they represent a genuine coalition.
As well as the national parties of Izquierda Unida and the environmentalist EQUO, there are a host of forces responding to particular regional realities – like La Marea (the tide) in Galicia and En Comú Podem (In common we can) in Catalonia.
But Spain is gerrymandered to the hilt – rural small town votes (mainly for the PP) count for twice those of urban votes.
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I meant all of the above are going to polls under the Unidos Podemos banner, in case that wasn’t clear.
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This is a fascinating election. A big test for the viability of the left anti-austerity movement in Europe. It really is one we should be watching very closely. There’s more to life than Brexit after all !
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Striking how little coverage it is getting in the mainstream British and Irish media. I try not to be taken aback at the steep decline of the Guardian, for example, but still end up shocked that they’ve barely had anything on it.
But that’s another story than the election itself, which really is absolutely fascinating as you say.
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fingers crossed for the podemos coalition – i’m feeling hopeful!
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Yea – I’ve got the feeling they might do a bit better than the polls predict. That’s probably jinksed them properly.
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El Pais reporting the participation is up to 7% down.
The polls close at the remarkably early time of 20:00 – in 1.5 hours time.
There should be exit polls shortly thereafter.
Didn’t think Ireland did at all bad – one goal against the home team.
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I’d forgotten that el Pais has an English feed…
Here you go…
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A uniquely Spanish question about the turnout:
“Is it disinterest or just the siesta?”
The weather isn’t that hot – 34 degrees in La Mancha.
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I seem to have jinxed it – turnout down in Barca & Madrid.
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Last time, this site was updated in real-time with the results, so should go live at 7 our time:
http://resultados2016.infoelecciones.es/99CO/DCO99999TO.htm?lang=es
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Early exit polls say PP have won with PSOE overtaken by Unidos Podemos.
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Only PP and PSOE or UP and PSOE coalitions possible.
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Assuming, with reasonable certainty that PP&UP won’t happen.
Cuidadanos down by a couple of points.
UP at 25% which is about right with pre-election polling. PSOE at about 22%
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PP win only possible by gerrymandering – see above.
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Finally found a TV stream that works (in Spanish):
https://actualidad.rt.com/en_vivo
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Russia Today – YMMV. Now it’s Chomsky. Can’t find another decent live feed. El Pais servers groaning under the strain.
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Worst election turnout since the Franco dictatorship.
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A warning there for those who attempt to replay elections (or indeed referenda).
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Second exit poll confirmed the above more or less, with the fake movement Cuidadanos down to 12%, gratifyingly.
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So Cuidadanos did nothing more than take away votes from the PP this time – they won’t be relevant in coalition negotiations and will probably fade away.
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With a third of the vote counted, PP are up eight seats on 131, Socialists up two, and Podemos’ various tickets are a combined 69. Ciudadanos down to 27 seats.
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Edit, that leaves PSOE on 92.
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Those are, I assume, projections on the basis of the votes counted.
Bit different from the exit polls.
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Both Podemos and Ciudadanos climbing slightly with later returns:
http://resultados2016.infoelecciones.es/99CO/DCO99999TO.htm?lang=es
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With 95% of votes counted, looks like a PP-Ciudadanos minority coalition:
PP 137 (+14)
PSOE 85 (-5)
Unidos Podemos 71 (-)
Ciudadanos 32 (-8)
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Worst of all worlds really. Thanks Paul for the figures, though.
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Very disappointing – how would such a minority coalition work, I wonder?
PP-PSOE are the only possible majority coalition, given the others are Basques and Catalans.
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Something of an anti-climax for Unidos Podemos it seems but am taking consolatiion from the plastic citizens party , Ciudadanos, not doing very well.
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Rajoy is in a powerful position, opposition will not want another election. The additional two seats in Madrid with Podemos & allies losing must have been particularly sweet. PNV will have no problem with Rajoy as long as he leaves them alone to run Basque territories.
The other problem for Podemos is it “borrowed” secessionist votes promising plebiscites, which they cannot now deliver. Those votes are likely to return to Bildu or Catalan parties.
They lasted longer than Corbyn will.
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