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Soon there will be no more MEPs from the UK. And what of the North? August 17, 2016

Posted by WorldbyStorm in Uncategorized.

The implications of Brexit are many and various, but one aspect that has been somewhat overlooked has been the fact that as soon as the UK exits the EU – and moves to whatever position is carved out for it, and who knows what that will be, that’s a layer of political representation gone. And that has implications for this island in particular (and Scotland and Wales too almost needless to say) where the DUP, SF and the UUP will all lose their current MEPs. Does that have any implications for party politics there one has to wonder?


1. dublinstreams - August 17, 2016

no, their bank balance maybe


2. Joe - August 17, 2016

Agreed. No is the answer. The dreary steeples of Fermanagh and Tyrone remained as dreary as ever when the first MEPs from NI went to Europe and will continue to be as dreary still when the position of MEP for NI ceases to be.


EWI - August 17, 2016

Well, they know where to go if they want to elect MEPs once more.

Re-partition of NI was knocked on the head in the 1920s because the Boundary Commission (with bungling by MacNeill and his CnaG comrades) was allowed to come to a position that NI would have to be big enough to be viable – negating what pro-Treaty Republicans thought logic would dictate happen, with a major land transfer to the south. Maybe it’s time to revive it as a solution for those areas of NI which voted to remain in the EU?


3. An Sionnach Fionn - August 17, 2016

If we end up with 30-45% of the population in the north-east applying for Irish passports, and hence “official” EU citizenship, it would certainly make any future conflict in the region an interesting diplomatic affair between London on one side and Dublin-Brussels on the other. That’s quite aside from the nominal EU citizenship everyone in the north enjoys through their automatic entitlement to Irish citizenship under the Bunreacht and GFA.

Theoretically, would that make northern nationalists the largest cohesive block of EU citizens inhabiting a non-EU territory? What are the diplomatic, legal and political ramifications of that?


sonofstan - August 17, 2016

Maybe not cohesive, but maybe more Poles here in Britain that nationalists in NI. And a fair few irish on this island as well….


Michael Carley - August 17, 2016

Now if we all moved to the same constituency, we would have enough votes to mount a Connollyite entryist coup and elect an MP. What’s the smallest constituency?


An Sionnach Fionn - August 17, 2016

True, but the Polish nationals aren’t born in the UK. Technically they and the Irish are immigrants to Britain. The northern nationalists are “indigenous” to the Six Cos. and are UK subjects but they are also dual Irish/EU citizens too. They also form a recognisable national community. Just an interesting conundrum. A border-post goes up in Armagh-Louth, the PSNI/BA defend its construction, they shoot one or more locals who demonstrate against the building, technically EU citizens. Does Dublin and Brussels protest the shooting(s)?

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sonofstan - August 17, 2016

During the last unpleasantness, the UK and Irish govts generally presented a united front to the Eu and the rest were happy to leave them to it. After the Brits have pissed the rest of the community off, a typical piece of BA idiocy could really become an international incident, rather being smothered by a governmental consensus.


An Sionnach Fionn - August 17, 2016

The unintended consequences of Brexit. A further thought. The image of Martina Anderson of SF, as a northern MEP, turning up in the EuroParl in a year or two brandishing her EU passport and refusing to leave, demanding the right to continue representing her constituents. Would the EU bouncers drag her out the doors in front of the world’s cameras? The possibility for PR stunts abound.


Ivorthorne - August 17, 2016

It’s an interesting idea but I think that SF – in their search for respectability – would avoid it.

They don’t really have a leg to stand from a procedural perspective. Having a large population of EU citizens outside of the EU doesn’t entitle you to representation within the parliament. The expectation from the perspective of the EU parliament would be – I guess – that the Irish MEPs would represent those who have Irish passports.


sonofstan - August 18, 2016

So offer the vote in euro elections to NI citizens? And with polling stations actually in the north to press home the point


WorldbyStorm - August 18, 2016

That’s an interesting idea too SoS.

I wonder though IT. Would it be so off their beaten track? Emphasising partition makes a lot of sense.


4. Gewerkschaftler - August 18, 2016

Let’s wait and see if anything concrete comes of Brexit.

But interesting thought-experiments, none the less.


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