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What you want to say – 17th August 2016 August 17, 2016

Posted by WorldbyStorm in Uncategorized.
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As always, following on Dr. X’s suggestion, it’s all yours, “announcements, general discussion, whatever you choose”, feel free.

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1. yourcousin - August 17, 2016

Might be of interest to folks here.

I will be picking a copy up.

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2. sonofstan - August 17, 2016

Pat Hickey arrested in Rio. Establishment here seem unable to get their heads around a judiciary that takes corruption seriously, as RTE keep pointing out that ‘none of this would be illegal here’ Impressed by the Brazilian law that bans ticket resale at above face value. Given the way Ticketmaster operate here, such a no nonsense approach would soften the cough, as the saying goes.

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Joe - August 17, 2016

It’s kinda mad isn’t it? How many Irish are in jail there now? Free the Rio Two!

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3. enlil - August 17, 2016

just a query to CLR; having read D.McWilliams today, article in Indo., in regard to how so many Croats want to come here, because of our taxation system.
I know that in U.K., that in 1967, that abortion was introduced.
Query: in what year was abortion introduced in Poland? etc.
i.e. in Spain, Italy, Netherlands, Russia, Lithuania, etc. ?

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WorldbyStorm - August 17, 2016

Isn’t abortion illegal in Poland or am I way out?

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Jim Monaghan - August 17, 2016

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Poland I think when you scratch the facade of the Catholic Right, they would love to criminalise women who have had abortions. They have lear#ned to disguise their agenda behind a sweety pie concern.

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EWI - August 17, 2016

Criminalise anything that encourages female sexual freedom, actually.

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Starkadder - August 18, 2016

“They have lear#ned to disguise their agenda behind a sweety pie concern.”

And not just in Poland. Youth Defence used to be a pariah organisation when it first came out.

But now I’m surprised and alarmed at how often YD gets approving mentions from friends and relatives who wouldn’t be Catholic traditionalists. It’s as if they think the group has suddenly morphed into Trócaire.

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sonofstan - August 18, 2016

YD used to have a slightly punky fringe, I remember….

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Enlil - August 22, 2016

@ j.monaghan. “catholic right.. have learned to disguise their agenda behing a sweety pie concern”. ….. and so, how vehement is the pro-abortion lobby in Poland?
somehow, i think that we get the some of the most best of Poland.

Personally, i soo like the Polish who have come here; although do I detect a kinda’ semblance of a State (maybe education?) cultivation of persons?
btw, i think these persons who come here and work in LlIdll, alldi, etc., should be protected from they way they are directed, through ear-phones, of what words to say to each/ different customers.

@EWI, – the most abortions in USA; are these in regard to black persons?

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4. EWI - August 17, 2016

The retired Heavy Gang/authoritarian tendency of our GS have spewed out an organisation called HARP (patron saint Stephen Collins), dedicated to honouring the old RIC and DMP (and, though weaselly about it, are clearly casting a cold eye on the 1916 and WoI veterans – which includes many senior Guards of the early days!).

They were apparently the group who were staging what amounted to pro-British protest events around Easter this year in Dublin. They might want to re-think their emblem, though – ‘Loyalty’ on an Orange background? Giving the game away, much?

RIC & DMP COMMEMORATION COMMITTEE

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Ed - August 18, 2016

They might want to go easy on the exclamation marks too:

“LATEST NEWS!!!!!!”

LATEST NEWS!!!!!!

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5. Michael Carley - August 18, 2016

“Uncovering the brutal truth about the British empire”: sure isn’t the title enough to make everybody here want to read it.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2016/aug/18/uncovering-truth-british-empire-caroline-elkins-mau-mau

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6. sonofstan - August 18, 2016
Joe - August 18, 2016

Begob.

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7. Joe - August 18, 2016

I see the Fiji prime minister is rowing back on plans to remove the butcher’s apron from their flag. Cos the country’s gone nuts waving their flag about after they beat the former imperial power for an olympic gold medal – first ever for Fiji. And also cos they need to concentrate on more important things than changing the flag after the damage caused by some very bad weather a while back.
So that’s New Zealand and Fiji now who’ve decided to hold onto the butcher’s apron. Hard to kill a bad thing.

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8. Gewerkschaftler - August 19, 2016

One of the few hopeful things to come out of the Brexit vote is that the City of London could be significantly damaged. Loss of economic and thus political power by that state within a state would be good for our neighbours to the east (or west depending where you stand).

The City is hyping all kinds of possible Swiss-type deals, either through general cluelessness, or more likely in a cynical bid by certain actors to suck in funds from clueless pension funds and the like prior to fecking off to Frankfurt.

Naked Capitalism pretty much eviscerates this hype.

The Swiss have minimal financial passporting and that after years of negotiating.

Passporting rights for financial services is a huge ask. Note, as the pink paper points out, that the Swiss arrangement has passporting for life insurance only, a much smaller sector for them than banking. Recall that the EU was already trying to take a chunk out of the City by requiring that the UK be barred from Euroclearing. The only reason the UK lost that suit (in which the powerful ECB was one of the plaintiffs) was that the European Court of Justice ruled that discrimination of that sort against an EU member was not permitted. With the UK out of the EU, the Euroclearing business will need to be migrated to the Continent. We’ve also pointed out that European member states, such as France, Germany, the Netherlands, and Spain have large banks that are eager to take a piece of the City’s business. And even though British and American concerns that operate out of the UK can probably hold on to much of their franchises by reorganizing their operations, the UK still comes out a loser because people and activities will move out of London to other cities in the EU.

The price of an agreement would be free movement of people.

The general tenor of the EU negotiating posture has become frostier since the UK voted for Brexit. The cheery belief that the UK will get special breaks because it is oh so important is contradicted by the consistent cool messages EU leaders have sent, and more important, their stern posture toward other trade supplicants of late. Swiss citizens in a binding referendum voted in 2014 to restrict immigration and the arrangements must be in place by early 2017. The EU has said firmly that Switzerland will lose its access to the single market if it restricts immigration.

Even though Brexit will probably not happen, in the time it takes for the Tories to weasel their way out of the consequences the square mile will take quite a battering. Good so.

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9. sonofstan - August 19, 2016

This comment is also on the money:

I wonder if there is an ‘everyone is on holiday’ element to it, but I’ve been astonished at the general reaction in the UK to the Brexit vote. Many of my friends there are horrified, and you need only go to the comments sections in various newspapers to see the upset, but the latest figures show hardly any impact on consumer behaviour (I was convinced there would be a major reigning in of spending as people took a ‘wait and see’ approach) and real panic in the City and in Industry. Its as if nothing has happened at all. There seems to be something of an echo chamber among the right wing media that its all going to be fine – while plenty of City types buy the FT, I suspect its the Telegraph and Times they really read for their broader political opinions.

While I think Yves is right that many in the establishment don’t, deep down, actually think its going to happen, there is no doubt that there is some feverish activity under the surface, mostly by banks/insurers who will need an EU base if it all goes through (I’ve heard plenty of stories of quite high level scouting groups looking at property here in Dublin).

My guess is that it will be after the summer, when internal reports are written up and internally circulated and everyone is back in the office that it will slowly sink in just what mammoth task it will be for UK business to get through this. The government is so inept it will take I think many more months (and probably quite a few meetings with various business reps and with the EU) for it to realise that it is in very serious trouble. Its one thing to see a task intellectually, its quite another to really grasp what it means. And what the UK establishment has not really grasped is that it has no friends whatever in Europe or EFTA (and in this context, none anywhere else) – nobody has an interest in making this easy. Even with full co-operation it would be a huge, damaging task. With the EU deciding to extract maximum blood from the UK, it will be horrendous, a massive self inflicted wound

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10. Starkadder - August 19, 2016

I think some CDL readers will be interested in this. It’s a
review of the books “The Catholic Predicament in ‘Northern Ireland’ Volumes I and II, by Doctor Pat Walsh. It’s published in the “Irish News, by Robert McNamara (no, not that one):

The writer, almost to the point of absurdity, makes sweeping and simplistic judgments about protagonists operating in an often terrifying and complex situation. For example, Jack Lynch is portrayed as virtually a British puppet. In contrast, ludicrously, Charles Haughey is described as “the only true statesman of Nationalist Ireland” (p.338 of Resurgence)….

Dr Walsh has contempt for most other Irish historians. Indeed, he implies that Britain has re-educated them since the 1970s (p.90).

http://www.irishnews.com/arts/2016/07/28/news/book-reviews-the-catholic-predicament-in-northern-ireland-flawed-and-frustrating-615035/

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Mike Atkinson - August 19, 2016

I suspect Pat Walsh is currently working on a 400 page opus denouncing Robert McNamara as an agent of the British /Zionist/ Armenian plot.

The Athol Books / Belfast Historical and Educational Society crowd really have made a deity out of Charlie Haughey, haven’t they? Seems like Haughey is their new Joseph Stalin.

Presumably the Trotsky role can be split between Lynch and
their other hate figure, Garret FitzGerald.

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11. Starkadder - August 20, 2016

When Robert Conquest died last year, I noticed there seemed to be almost no mention of Conquest’s support for the Vietnam War. It
turns out the letter written to “The Times” with several other authors
wasn’t only pro-Vietnam War piece Conquest contributed to at the time.

Here’s the start of the piece Conquest wrote for the 1967 book
” Authors take sides on Vietnam” by Cecil Woolf and John Bagguley;


I fully support the Americans, and believe that all except convinced anti-democrats would do the same but for an unremitting barrage of straight falsehoods and selected facts; partially interpreted legalisms; and atrocity propaganda; compounded by ignorance of (or reluctance to face) the realities of totalitarian politics and war.

https://books.google.ie/books?id=1pxuAAAAMAAJ&q=%22atrocity+propaganda;+compounded+by+ignorance+of+(or+reluctance+to+face)+the+realities%22&dq=%22atrocity+propaganda;+compounded+by+ignorance+of+(or+reluctance+to+face)+the+realities%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi4rcCentDOAhUqAcAKHWsgC10Q6AEIGzAA

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12. Alibaba - August 20, 2016

Here’s a column which mentions the film ‘Bobby Sands: 66 Days”. I saw it myself and thought it interesting, well made and worth the watch. Although Ferriter applauds the documentary, he notes:

‘there is no mention of the women in Armagh jail who joined the dirty protests and the initial hunger strikes in 1980.’

http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/diarmaid-ferriter-the-hunger-strike-narrative-is-not-as-simple-as-it-seems-1.2761955

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13. Tomboktu - August 20, 2016

ah here.

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14. Gerryboy - August 22, 2016

cannibalistic necrophilia?

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