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Sunday Independent Stupid Statement of the Week – or indeed any Stupid Statement from any weekend media! October 9, 2016

Posted by WorldbyStorm in Uncategorized.


Garibaldy is on leave and I’m one my way out  to this – so over to you for the Sunday Independent this weekend. But here’s a thought on a broader stupidity. Whatever about Hillary Clinton and her merits or otherwise, what on earth possessed the Republicans to put up an overtly chauvinistic individual against the first woman candidate for President of the United States? Not saying she’s going to win, but the current situation looks dire for him and in terms of the demographics how does any of this work? Worse again given his history of running his mouth off on all matters did they believe he’d get this far unscathed. Or was it that they didn’t believe it mattered?


1. CMK - October 9, 2016

This is pretty obnoxious. Of course, O’Leary is articulating what everyone in Fine Gael privately thinks, but then he is not reliant on the votes of those attacked at this event, but Fine Gael are:



WorldbyStorm - October 9, 2016

He’s found his base.


Ed - October 9, 2016

Big on unions in North Korea, I hear. The workers in the gulags are always ready to down tools if they don’t get their overtime payments. Sure you can’t fire anyone there, it’s out of control.

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2. CL - October 9, 2016

How did he get the nomination?

“A thousand ridiculous accidents needed to happen in the unlikeliest of sequences for it to be possible, but.. this boorish, monosyllabic TV tyrant with the attention span of an Xbox-playing 11-year-old really is set to lay waste to the most impenetrable oligarchy the Western world ever devised….
It turns out we let our electoral process devolve into something so fake and dysfunctional that any half-bright con man with the stones to try it could walk right through the front door and tear it to shreds on the first go….
Trump’s basic argument is the same one every successful authoritarian movement in recent Western history has made: that the regular guy has been screwed by a conspiracy of incestuous elites….
The candidates sent forth to take on Trump have been so incompetent they can’t even lose properly…
His speeches increasingly are strikingly populist in their content.
SEIU president Mary Kay Henry even admitted in January that Trump appeals to members because of the “terrible anxiety” they feel about jobs.
many of his critiques of the process are the same ones being made by Bernie Sanders…
Trump found the flaw in the American Death Star. It doesn’t know how to turn the cameras off, even when it’s filming its own demise.”-Matt Taibbi

Meanwhile back at the ranch, Poppy Bush and Dubya are celebrating Trump’s destruction by the recording of a chat with a member of the Bush clan, Billy Bush.

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3. gendjinn - October 9, 2016

Trump is the nominee and in contention for the same reasons the Iraq war was supported by most in the US.

This country has been an outright oligarchy since Reagan took office with both the Democrats and Republicans firmly in the pockets of the wealthy. They own the media and it is 100% the fault of their owned media that Trump got where he is.

Keith Ellison in April 2015. Ellison was the first muslim elected to the congress. Worth reading up how he was treated when he dared to be sworn in on a Koran.

Sturgeon’s law applies to the electorate. Although in that context one really should call it Plato’s law.


4. WorldbyStorm - October 9, 2016

Those are both answers that have a lot of truth in them CL and gendjinn, but what surprises me is that they didn’t go for a more emollient figure, one less liable to shoot their mouth off, one that was – I supposed, less risky. After all the system allows for Trump but… and this is a bit of a big but because he might win… if he doesn’t then the process has allowed it be found out that he alienated too many people to win. That’s what I don’t get. Is it that the Republicans are so devoid of ideological purpose and direction that literally anyone can waltz in to them (granted anyone with sufficient money, or supposedly sufficient money) and get the nomination even if they don’t get the Presidency. Or is it that the degradation of the system means that there’s a tranche of Republican voters who simply don’t give a rashers about the quality or electability of a candidate and will vote for anyone even if they hold heterodox views on Rep ideology.

Btw, an interview someone, could have been you guys, linked to on Slate the other day where someone researching the Tea Party found them superseded by Trump. Have most TPers aligned solidly with Trump or has a tranche of them gone with Ryan or whoever?


gendjinn - October 9, 2016

Jaysus, it’s far from “emollient” you were raised sir Humphrey!

First Past the Post primary system. If there had not been the clown car of candidates, or had it been STV, Trump would never have won. He won pluralities that secured him almost every winner-takes-all state. At the end there, Cruz could still have taken Trump if HE had won all those WTA states. Cruz is Heydrich to Trump’s Mussolini, so we dodged a bullet there.

Tea Party was a construct of the oligarchy opposition to Obama. The very same people that poured hundreds of millions into the Clinton witch hunts of the 90s, poured hundreds of millions into Tea Party organisations and made sure their owned media gave them all the coverage they wanted. Compare and contrast with OWS – from beginning to end.

The Tea Party === UKIP – omni-phobic. The US is an institutionally racist country from top to bottom. It’s far worse than Northern Ireland was up to 1969. The police are more UDR/B-Specials than RUC. I am fucking bone weary of cops getting away with outright murder. In the 90s reading the stories coming out of Prince George’s county MD were like reading reports out of West Belfast in the 80s. You ever watch the Wire, or better still the first 3 seasons of Homicide:LotS? And that is sugarcoated for public consumption.

So the TP have completely disappeared because Trump is saying everything they have always wanted to say, that they have always believed.


CL - October 9, 2016

The reason they went for Trump is because he is not an emollient figure. A large part of his attraction is that he was not being politically correct, and gave the finger to the establishment, to the ruling elite. He received enough support to win the nomination. Expanding this beyond the base has proved impossible. His advocacy of sexual assault in the most recent tape appears to be, finally, the final, final straw that destroys his prospects. But there’s a month to go yet…


5. sonofstan - October 9, 2016

There’s a certain symmetry between the position the GOP finds itself in and that of the LP here; saddled with a popular, but apparently unelectable ‘leader’ – i know that’s not how it works in the US – who can’t connect with large sections of the electorate but is adored by the base,and hated by the party elites. The republicans haven’t been quite so openly disloyal though…


CL - October 9, 2016

‘The republicans haven’t been quite so openly disloyal though…’
Not until now:
“Now, the floodgates have opened, and the whole party is fleeing him. We’ve never seen anything like this in a modern American election campaign.”


crocodileshoes - October 9, 2016

We in Ireland nearly elected President Gallagher, a man with no political experience or crediblity, on the same basis that Americans will nearly elect Trump: because he’s not a politician but is a businessman they know from TV.


sonofstan - October 9, 2016

Yep. I occasionally remind people of this when they get too self congratulatory about our ‘maturity’


CL - October 9, 2016

‘the relative silence from the Trump campaign, from running mate Mike Pence down, is dramatic.’


gendjinn - October 9, 2016


Clinton will be another in the continuation of the line that has wrecked economic havoc upon the country.

Trump isn’t.

About 90 to 100 million people do not even bother to register to vote. Out of the 140 million that do you can get 80 to 120 million of them to turn out. The variation being down to presidential vs non-presidential years.


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