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Brexit and Immigration Controls October 10, 2016

Posted by irishelectionliterature in Uncategorized.

Some interesting Kite Flying re Brexit from The Guardian (as mentioned by Joe in one of the comments)

Britain is seeking to shift the frontline of immigration controls to Ireland’s ports and airports to avoid having to introduce a “hard border” between north and south after the UK leaves the European Union, the Guardian has learned.

The Northern Ireland secretary, James Brokenshire, has told the Guardian that London and Dublin will work to strengthen Ireland’s external borders in order to combat illegal migration into the UK once it leaves the European Union.

So in effect everyone other than Irish and UK people coming into our airports and ports would be checked and asked if the intend going to the North or to Britain?
Who runs and pays for it? Is it us? is the UK?
Would it require a law change or God forbid a Referendum?

There’s loads of small pieces in the piece like this one….

Politicians on all sides of the divide on the island of Ireland have expressed concern that Irish border towns such as Dundalk could become the “new Calais” if people-traffickers trying to send migrants into the UK target the Irish Republic as a “jump-off point” into Northern Ireland.

I’d love to know what Irish Politician thinks “Dundalk could become the “new Calais” ” !

Going to be interesting to see the response of the Irish Government to this and over the longer term how it all plays out.


1. Tomboktu - October 10, 2016

This would obviously require a treaty.

That means the Brits will have to give us some treaty ports, right?

The question is: which ones do we want?


lamentreat - October 10, 2016

Maybe we can award ourselves U.N. mandatory powers over Gibraltar and Port Stanley?


2. Tom Griffin (@tcgriffin) - October 10, 2016
3. Gewerkschaftler - October 10, 2016

Wait a minute. This kite goes in one direction doesn’t it?

We are presumed to be willing to service the UK’s immigration-based form of Brexit, effectively allowing them to impose policy on the whole of Ireland, and we’ll do it for nothing!

Is the UK offering anything except perhaps paying some attention to the GFI/Belfast agreement in return? If that?

Isn’t it indicative of continuing colonialist assumptions on behalf of the Little Britain that we’ll just go along with that? Isn’t it extraordinary that FG just seem to have gone along with the suggestion? Or have they?

Won’t it involve a lot of data sharing with the UK – which will no longer be part of the UK. So implicit surveillance / privacy issues there?


sonofstan - October 10, 2016

We let US immigration operate at our airports already (are we alone in this?)


Gewerkschaftler - October 10, 2016

No – I think that the US has imposed that elsewhere.


Michael Carley - October 10, 2016

In fairness, I don’t think it’s imposed, so much as negotiated.


Gewerkschaftler - October 10, 2016


In so far as one ‘negotiates’ with a superpower. I’m sure the other parties were made to feel like they had a choice.

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Michael Carley - October 10, 2016

I can’t see why the US would have a particular interest in imposing passport controls at Dublin, rather than dealing with people on arrival in the US. It’s not as if they care about customer service.


6to5against - October 10, 2016

Yes, but that only deals with people travelling to the US. This would deal with everybody arriving into Ireland, essentially pre-clearing them for the UK, just in case they might at some point in the future wish to travel there.

I don’t really see how it can work in reality, though, even assuming a moral vacuum. EU citizens will still have freedom of movement into and out of Ireland, won’t they? There will be people who have entry rights to IRL, but not to the UK. So what would the checks at an Irish airport actually mean? I just don’t see it. And we can’t talk about imposing the same restrictions on entry as the UK, if we remain within the EU.

And remember there is no realistic prospect of a secure border: they can impose checkpoints and passport control if they like, but they cant close the fields. I’m sure Roddy can remind us just how well that worked out when last they tried it.


4. FergusD - October 10, 2016

Utterly outrageous suggestions, if true. Why would any Irish government agree to them? To prevent a hard border between NI and the RoI? So the UK makes a decision without any consideration of NI and then asks the RoI to sort it out – jeez.


sonofstan - October 10, 2016

We probably will though.
If you read down the Guardian article, the Brits aren’t particularly concerned about immigration from the EU since they reckon it’ll be a trickle; what they’re worried about is immigration from outside – so, the passport queue at Dublin airport would be EU/ EEA (probably including UK) and would function as now – it would be other queue that would get the attention.


6to5against - October 10, 2016

You know, you might be right there, but doesn’t that just reveal what how farcical this situation is. They were already in a position to restrict migration from outside the EU. All that change is the position of EU citizens.

But if we’re talking about non-EU migration, does the Irish state differ very much from the UK right now. I wouldn’t have thought so. If all we’re doing is imposing our own rules, it hardly changes very much.

I suspect the whole thing is either a kite of sorts, or the outworking of a bureaucratic mess seeping into the public domain.


5. Joe - October 10, 2016

Yeah but. They’re Brexiting. We (and they, so they say) don’t want a hard border between RoI and NI. So RoI and UK are gonna have to discuss options that might cover both sides’ interests. This kite flying appears to be a start at that process. There’s another two and a half years for plenty more kite flying.
Everyone will have choices to make. A choice for the RoI, in this scenario, might be: is the cost of co-operating with this UK immigration control scheme worth it if it means an acceptable ‘soft’ border between RoI and NI?


6. sonofstan - October 10, 2016


Guardian reporting that Matt Carthy has called the idea ridiculous – and getting his name wrong with it….


7. gendjinn - October 12, 2016

Atrios has summed up well:
“But we want a say!!!! WAHHHHH!!!! Nobody in the UK has a say or any negotiating power. Deal with it.”


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