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A More Dangerous World? – Belfast Stop the War Coalition/PANA January 6, 2017

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1. simonjkyte - January 6, 2017

murad is now chair of stop the war coalition?

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2. Starkadder - January 6, 2017

Trump’s inauguration will begin Friday 20th, at 11.30am in the US (4.30pm Irish time):

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Inauguration-Schedule-409795795.html

People Before Profit are organizing a protest in Dublin:

https://www.facebook.com/events/1818521025090860/

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CL - January 7, 2017

“In the Name of Humanity, We REFUSE To Accept a Fascist America!”
https://refusefascism.org/we-refuse-to-accept-a-fascist-america/

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Starkadder - January 15, 2017
CL - January 15, 2017

What about Doonbeg?

‘The local county council halted the construction and Trump’s wall was thwarted by the tiny, narrow-mouthed whorl snail, which lives in the dunes. The snail, around since the ice age but now endangered, is protected in Ireland…

Now a pristine environment is threatened, in his eyes, by a wall meant only to protect “a playground for multimillionaires”, as he describes Trump’s resort….

When Trump landed at the Shannon airport after purchasing the course in May 2014, finance minister Michael Noonan was part of a welcoming party that laid out a red carpet in front of his private jet.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/17/donald-trump-ireland-golf-resort-wall-climate-change

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WorldbyStorm - January 15, 2017

I’m off to see Black Sabbath play Dublin that evening. Somehow it seems appropriate.

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CL - January 16, 2017

Enjoy.

‘As Donald Trump prepares for his inauguration, he is struggling with opposition from the US media, intelligence agencies, government apparatus, parts of the Republican Party and a significant portion of the American population. Impressive obstacles appear to prevent him exercising arbitrary power….
The similarities between Erdogan and Trump are greater than they might seem, despite the very different political traditions in the US and Turkey….
The same is true of populist, nationalist, authoritarian leaders who are taking power in many different parts of the world…
Erdogan and Trump have a further point in common: both have an unquenchable appetite for power and achieve it by exploiting and exacerbating divisions within their own countries.

They declare they will make their countries great again, but in practise make them weaker.

They are forever sawing through the branch on which they – and everybody else – are sitting.”-Patrick Cockburn
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/donald-trump-president-elect-turkey-president-erdogan-absolute-power-terrifying-parallels-patrick-a7526176.html

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CL - January 16, 2017

Trump cited “his difficulty developing his Irish golf course in Doonbeg because of EU “environmental tricks”.

“The Irish permission to develop came very quickly but then Ireland and my people turned to the EU to get the permission there,” he said. “That was going to take years, which is very bad for Ireland.”
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/us/trump-doonbeg-planning-woe-shows-problem-of-eu-red-tape-1.2938158

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ivorthorne - January 20, 2017

Am I right in concluding that golf club crap is a near-complete misrepresentation?

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CL - January 20, 2017

‘Doonbeg cancel party to celebrate the inauguration of Donald Trump’
http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/doonbeg-cancel-party-celebrate-inauguration-9654081

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3. CL - January 7, 2017

“The U.S. dropped 26,171 bombs last year, 3,027 more than 2015.”

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article124842824.html

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4. GW - January 16, 2017

I’m a bit sceptical about the value of Inauguration demonstrations outside the US.

It strikes me that Trump is the last person likely to be influenced in any way, indeed it strengthens his sense of mission and the sense of his supporter base as victims of something or other.

I can see that it would give people girding their loins for the next four years in the US a morale boost however.

In general letting the right set the agenda and the timetable and reacting to it seems to me not the best way forward.

What do other people, especially people in the US, think?

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yourcousin - January 16, 2017

Honestly? I take a long and cynical view (planning resistance, not protest). But my mother, my mother of all people who has become an annoying Facebook liberal will be out protesting. So it might do her some good. Although she still fails to see the systemic roots of our current crisis.

So yeah if it makes folks feel less alone, then go to town. Just always remember that many folks like my mom are regular people, not the kind of folks who know what to do if they get pepper sprayed or tear gassed.

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yourcousin - January 16, 2017

Not that you folks will be protesting on Denver just that Trump has mobilized folks who would not normally be activists.

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CMK - January 16, 2017

That’s a good thing, surely? Some of them might become activists. Certainly it was interesting to see at the weekend a Republican congressman being more or less run out of town by a crowd of people who were protesting his support for repealing the Affordable Care Act. Trump and his gang of ne’er do wells will politicize a lot of people, I think.

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yourcousin - January 16, 2017

Man it’s my mom. So I worry about her. I suppose I’ll feel the same way when my kid starts organizing and protesting. I just never expected my mother, of all people to protest.

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CMK - January 16, 2017

Sure, sorry if it came across as a bit dismissive, it was unintended. If my Ma ‘got active’ it would take some getting used to!

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GW - January 16, 2017

Perhaps I put that badly, YC. What I meant was that the main reason to go to a demo outside the US for me would be that it helps the protesters and resistance people in the US to see that there is solidarity worldwide.

If that’s that’s important to them, then I’d be inclined to show my face in front of the face recognition systems at the US Embassy here.

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yourcousin - January 16, 2017

No I get what you mean. Sure it can’t hurt. It’s my kids birthday party that day so I’m spoken for.

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Starkadder - January 16, 2017

“Perhaps I put that badly, YC. What I meant was that the main reason to go to a demo outside the US for me would be that it helps the protesters and resistance people in the US to see that there is solidarity worldwide.”

It strikes me that unlike Reagan or the Bushes, Trump’s election hasn’t led to a surge in hostility to the US
per se. Possibly this is due to the sense that at least half of the US public are either hostile or indifferent to him, or the fact so much of his malice is levelled at American citizens (Latinos, Muslims, blacks, women).

“If that’s that’s important to them, then I’d be inclined to show my face in front of the face recognition systems at the US Embassy here.”

Eh, that makes me a bit nervous. Granted, I am fairly law-abiding, but I still remember the Guards arresting the
Dunnes Stores strikers and boasting to them about their admiration for the Boer regime.

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CL - January 16, 2017

‘Urbanization is one of the most important megatrends of the 21st century. Consequently, the possibility
of U.S. military involvement in a megacity or
sub-megacity is an eventuality that cannot be ignored….

U.S. forces will have to interact effectively with
both the formal and informal mechanisms of governance
within megacities and sub-megacities. This may involve cooperating with non-traditional stakeholders, such as criminal elements or other alternative governance actors.’

Click to access 1328-summary.pdf

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dublinstreams - January 20, 2017

starkadder was there immediate hostility to the US when Reagan or Bush was elected? The protests that are happening or in solidarity with Americans rather then against America.

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5. Starkadder - January 19, 2017

There’s also an anti-Trump protest in Galway on Saturday:

https://www.facebook.com/events/138649646630089/

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Starkadder - January 19, 2017
6. GW - January 20, 2017

German tanks (as part of NATO) will enter Lithuania for the first time since 1941 this month. The stationing of German troops outside Germany is worrying.

Two military blocks headed by highly unpredictable individuals are now within shooting distance of each other. Not good.

The world just took another few steps towards war and away from peace.

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CL - January 20, 2017

Not to worry, detente with Russia is on the way.

‘Trump has begun to assemble a strong pro-détente team in the White House and at the State Department, while continuing to refuse to vilify his would-be partner, Putin.’
https://www.thenation.com/article/the-fight-over-a-trump-putin-detente-begins/

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CL - January 20, 2017

However Trump faces fierce opposition to his detente policy:
from the NSA, the CIA, the FBI, the other 14 intelligence agencies, the Democratic Party, most of the Republican Party, the MSM, the extensive neocon network of think tanks etc. and from members of his own cabinet. So detente with Russia is by no means assured.

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