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Sunday Independent Stupid Statement of the Week January 15, 2017

Posted by Garibaldy in Sunday Independent Stupid Statement of the Week.

Some serious political philosophy in the editorial this week

Social critics across the Western world complain “property” rights too often take precedence over “human” rights, with the result that people are treated unequally and have unequal opportunities. It is not true to say that the Apollo House case proves that the rights of private property “trump” the human rights of vulnerable people. The purported conflict between property rights and human rights too often fails to take into account that property rights are also human rights. There would have been serious consequences for citizens’ property rights had the Apollo House case not been prosecuted.

There you have it. Human rights, Sindosplained.


1. Starkadder - January 15, 2017

While he’s not my favourite President, Theodore Roosevelt had the answer to the Sindo in 1910:

“…human rights must have the upper hand, for property belongs to man and not man to property.”


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2. sonofstan - January 15, 2017

To be fair to the Sindo, although I doubt if they were thinking of it, Kant, who is usually, (and usually inaccurately) portrayed by liberals as the exemplary philosopher of human rights, actually derived all private right – the right to freedom and non-interference by others, the right to bodily integrity and so on, from the right to private property.


Tomboktu - January 15, 2017

Deriving the right to bodily integrity from a right to private property sounds like a theory of rights I wouldn’t be a fan of.

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sonofstan - January 15, 2017

No indeed. Which is why it is always quite fun to shock liberals who think Kant was all about the human rights with the stuff he actually wrote about law, as opposed to ethics.

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RosencrantzisDead - January 16, 2017

He also thought it was perfectly acceptable to kill illegitimate children.


sonofstan - January 16, 2017

He did indeed.
I once cited this at a conference, was challenged on it, had the text in both English and German on me and I WON! (as Woody Allen said about academia, it’s vicious because the stakes are so low)


GW - January 16, 2017

I’d imagine that the average Sindo-writer can’t spell Kant, being a specialist in cant.

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Aonrud ⚘ - January 16, 2017

Good Kant pun work there, GW 🙂

My favourite has always been from the film “Hedwig and the angry inch”, which refers to a paper on the negative effect of German philosophy on rock music called “You, Kant, always get what you want”.


Shambob - January 18, 2017
GW - January 18, 2017

That comic is rather fun and an enormous distraction from things I should be doing.

I particularly like this one:



3. Starkadder - January 15, 2017

Has anybody read “The ABCs of Socialism” by Bhaskar Sunkara of Jacobin magazine? It’s a collection of articles explaining socialism to newcomers, and it discusses issues like property rights and state power. It’s widely available, so it might be a candidate for the book club.


Jim Monaghan - January 15, 2017

I always liked this https://www.marxists.org/archive/cannon/works/1941/socialism/index.htm
A bit too American and at least on a superficial level dated.


4. CL - January 15, 2017

Eoghan Harris asserts that the ‘brilliant American blogger Scott Alexander’ disproves that Trump is a racist.


CL - January 16, 2017

‘Days before his inauguration, President-elect Donald J. Trump is engaged in a high-profile feud with some of the country’s most prominent African-American leaders…
Mr. Trump has also not made any public announcement of plans to commemorate Martin Luther King’s Birthday, a tradition observed by most Republican and Democratic politicians….”
Said Al Sharpton “what he said about John Lewis… was tantamount to spitting in our face,” “What you’re telling black people is that all the things John Lewis directly was involved in that resulted in the legislation that we are fighting to maintain and make permanent, you consider nothing.”


CL - January 16, 2017

‘President-elect Donald Trump plans to meet with Martin Luther King III on Monday in New York,’
‘“Celebrate Martin Luther King Day and all of the many wonderful things that he stood for,” Trump wrote. “Honor him for being the great man that he was!”


5. Starkadder - January 15, 2017

David Quinn wrote a stupid articlein Friday’s “Irish Independent” about how “We should be more worried about rise of hard left than tiny alt-right” full of the usual red-baiting slurs. The Socialist Party have a response here:



6. GW - January 16, 2017

What the European Convention on Human Rights says about property rights:

“Every natural or legal person is entitled to the peaceful
enjoyment of his possessions. No one shall be deprived
of his possessions except in the public interest and subject
to the conditions provided for by law and by the
general principles of international law.

The preceding provisions shall not, however, in any way
impair the right of a state to enforce such laws at it
deems necessary to control the use of property in accordance
with the general interest or to secure the payment
of taxes or other contributions or penalties.”

Note the public and general interest exceptions even there.

And the Sindonians are just reproducing a meme that surfaced in the likes of Forbes etc.


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