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Sunday Independent Stupid Statement of the Week March 5, 2017

Posted by Garibaldy in Sunday Independent Stupid Statement of the Week.

Here’s an interesting take on the northern elections

Sinn Fein’s main success in the Assembly election was against the SDLP but also against Fianna Fail’s plans to expand north in 2019.

Interesting in so far as no-one else is thinking about FF because it’s an irrelevance. The SDLP did take some hits in Foyle and west Belfast, but actually in proportional terms increased its number of seats, with some unexpected gains, especially in Lagan Valley.

Beyond that, there’s this from a predictable source

Tribal passions are putting the centre under severe pressure both in Northern Ireland and the Republic. Should this go on, the middle ground will soon give way under our feet.

Undoubtedly tribalism is resurgent in the north, though within a context of all sides wanting power sharing back (at least publicly). The notion the NI elections are a threat to the centre in the south is altogether more fanciful. Or should that be hysterical.


1. WorldbyStorm - March 5, 2017

Great point re FF. I’d been thinking through some implications in this state but that hadn’t struck me.


2. Tawdy - March 5, 2017

Gene Kerrigan has an absolutely fantastic article in todays paper. Bye the Bye, I never buy the paper. Some one put it up on facebook.

How does he get away with that ?

The article I mean.


baalthor - March 5, 2017

Sunday newspapers must address a wider range of demographics and market segments than dailies


Michael Carley - March 5, 2017

Does Joe Higgins still have a column in the Mail?


Jolly Red Giant - March 5, 2017

Not for quite a few years


3. Jim Monaghan - March 5, 2017

On a footnote. I have not analysed the voting in detail. But was there not a Pro-Life, “Republican” challenge to SF, which seems to have been a damp squib. And the various dissident fronts seem to have died. I looked at one of McCanns posters, and felt that he tried too hard to needle SF and more importantly SF voters. Cannot find it. Oh I hasten to add that in Derry, I would have voted for McCann.


4. CL - March 5, 2017

Harris gets it wrong about when Churchill made his remark about the dreary steeples of Fermanagh and Tyrone; it was in the aftermath of WW1 not WW2, almost a 100 years ago. Tribal, sectarian identity politics now and forever to the end of time, amen.
If we are able to confront the full horror of what is being revealed in Tuam, societal and state complicity in mass murder by the Catholic church, perhaps a 100 years from now…


5. roddy - March 5, 2017

Eamon made a complete balls of the campaign.He was completely demolished in the one hour interview on the Stephen Nolan show.Each party leader had to discuss their manifesto in a one to one with Nolan and he is a real rotweiller for any politician to face. Eamon had’nt a clue about any issue he was questioned on,be it health,education,RHI,taxation. His most memorable quote was in relation to the leather jacket he was wearing – it was deer skin and he said “yes I am wearing bambi”!.He said he would nationalise Moy Park (a Brazilian owned chicken firm!) and tax chocalate. Now for decades I would have held McCann in the highest esteem but he genuinely seems to have lost the plot. and I speak as someone who has hidden behind the sofa when Gerry Adams was being grilled on economics.Eamon’s interview was the worst I ever heard in living memory.Also PBB’s handling of Brexit could’nt have been worse especially for someone standing in Derry where even the slightest hint of a hard border wouldscare the shite out of people.


sonofstan - March 5, 2017

” I speak as someone who has hidden behind the sofa when Gerry Adams was being grilled on economics”


6. roddy - March 5, 2017

You know what I mean ,afraid to look at the television as Gerry was being torn to pieces by RTE interviewers!


7. paulculloty82 - March 5, 2017

Alliance won’t appreciate being lumped in with unionists by Jim Cusack, given notable Catholic support in Belfast and Down.


6to5against - March 5, 2017

I’m sure they won’t but this result does bring their not-quite-unionist position into the limelight, doesn’t it? Or would it be fairer to say that they are fully unionist, but they’re just a little less angry about it?

Is there any indication that they have any vote amongst the Catholic population at all? I’m not pretending to much knowledge about this. Perhaps I’m being unfair. I always had a vague understanding that they were largley supported by COI members rather than presbyterians and that that cultural distinction was connected to their odd political positioning. Is there any truth in that?


PaddyM - March 7, 2017

I suspect that it come as a surprise both to Tom “no gays, no GAA” Elliott and to SDLP voters in Fermanagh that they supported him in 2015.

A lot of wishful thinking by Cusack, but then it *is* the Sindo.


8. roddy - March 5, 2017

They would get “catholic” votes in areas which are overwhelmingly unionist and where even the SDLP arent strong enough to elect a rep.In the big “nationalist” areas west of the Bann(where I live) they would get next to nothing.


WorldbyStorm - March 5, 2017

interesting. What’s your feeling though about their core attitudes – I’ve a post on this later in the week – more/less open to compromise than those who vote UUP/DUP?


ivorthorne - March 5, 2017

Interesting. I’ve kind of looked at them as a sort of Lib Dem version of PBP-AAA – non-sectarian but mostly getting support from one side of the nationalist/unionist divide.


9. sonofstan - March 5, 2017

Roddy/ anyone,

What would be the chances of a return to the grand coalition version of the executive?


10. Aengus Millen - March 5, 2017

I wouldn’t be surprised if most of the parties went back into government. Opposition hasn’t done them much good. Admittedly the SDLP came out ok from it but the UUP was decimated and the call of ministries is strong. I think at least a resurgent Alliance party are likely to re-enter and take the justice ministry, that seemed to be what they were indicating after the result came in. But of course all immaterial unless DUP and SF can find an agreement.


11. roddy - March 5, 2017

WBS, Alliance would be much more open to compromise.An example- when a very frail McGuinness finished his speech the day he pulled the assembly down,Naomi Long left her seat and publically embraced him.Thats quite a gesture from an East Belfast protestant.


12. How do the Assembly Election results impact on politics in the ROI? | The Cedar Lounge Revolution - March 7, 2017

[…] RTÉ was leading with the idea at the weekend that Sinn FĂ©in’s broad success in the North last week would make Fianna Fáil and others think twice about having an election in the ROI any time soon (though some of us have argue that FF is in no hurry even before last week to pull the plug wth their polling numbers still mired). It certainly seems logical – Sinn FĂ©in sweeping much, if not all, before it and coming to a fairly close parity with the DUP is bound to have an effect? But does a political partitionism function in these instances? And are FF sensible to be wary (and Garibaldy’s point about how this may soften FF’s cough north of the border is very very …)? […]


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