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Deep state coups… March 9, 2017

Posted by WorldbyStorm in Uncategorized.

There’s some stuff floating about that the Trump administration is being pushed back by the US deep state. For example Brian Boyd in the IT recently turned his attention to the possibility. Breitbart is apparently running hard with this idea – though one has to think that that’s a bit like the reverse of from your lips to God’s ear. And the parameters of this idea are as follows:

The more swivel-eyed loons among the American right are stating that the deep state (now abetted by Obama and fellow traveller liberals employed across all agencies) is determined to have Trump “removed” because he favours detente with Russia. The military-industrial complex, by contrast, is intent on Cold War II: Let’s Finish the Job.

Okay. Possible.

But let’s apply a more simple analysis. That the sheer lack of expertise of the Trump administration is what is actually at fault here. That a bunch of second and third raters are simply no good at all at government and governance. That the Republican party is unable to provide the structure to assist them.

And this dovetails with the following:

As the Los Angeles Times put it: “Trump’s problem isn’t the deep state; it’s the broad state. He’s facing pushback not only from intelligence agencies, but from civilian bureaucracies too.”

Small wonder that there’s a push-back at all levels, though Boyd’s conclusion that ‘pissed-off civil servants’ at all levels are partly responsible for the push-back is trite.

So much of the problem is the amateurishness of everything Trump does and says.

A further example. Listening to Politico’s Nerdcast (which by the way suggested that the Bernie Sanders wing remains ‘pretty darned strong in the Democrat Party but not strong enough’) there was considerable amusement at Trump saying that he’d never realised how ‘complex’ healthcare was. The point was made that a business person didn’t realise it was complex? What sort of business person wouldn’t know that? And a further point was made that truth to tell Trump doesn’t have any interest in these issues. He cares not one whit about healthcare. It’s just not an issue for him. But this guy is the President.


1. Aengus Millen - March 9, 2017

I think you’re absolutely right to suggest that its incompetence not conspiracy that is hindering him. Anyway I would think any US deep state would be favorable to the right wing. I remember there was an article in the guardian during the campaign about how the FBI was “trumpland” and they all supported him and that one of the reasons Comey made his intervention right before the election was because it would have been leaked anyway. I really think that whether Trump believes his bullshit or is just so stupid he attaches himself to any passing rumor its clear that most of what he claims is not true.


WorldbyStorm - March 9, 2017

Yeah, I remember that article too. It’s very hard to square everything that is coming out with any great plan, isn’t it? It’s really all reactive on his part, and he’s in some serious trouble. I’m trying to think of an administration this mired so early in its life.


Alibaba - March 9, 2017

It’s all so unpredictable on Trump’s part or maybe that’s part of his game.

Anyway, here’s some more thoughts on the Deep State:

‘A few months before Donald Trump was elected president, I was in Paris talking to an American political scientist, a specialist on North Africa who has made his home in France. Laxminarayan (not his real name) was sceptical of Trump’s chances. And even if he were to win, Laxminarayan added, it was very clear what would happen next.

‘Really?’ I said. ‘And what is that?’

‘He will have to be removed from power by the deep state, or be assassinated.’


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2. CL - March 10, 2017

The threat to the U.S Republic is not from the deep state but from the state of Trump’s mind.

” we are struck by his repeated failure to distinguish between reality and fantasy, and his outbursts of rage when his fantasies are contradicted. Without any demonstrable evidence, he repeatedly resorts to paranoid claims of conspiracy….
The military powers entrusted to him endanger us all. We urge our elected representatives to take the necessary steps to protect us from this dangerous president.”



3. FergusD - March 10, 2017

I dunno about the “deep state”. I suspect “the state” is not homogeneous and has many views on Trump. However I think the Democrat establishment want him out, but are happy to do it by “state” means if possible, not really by challenging his politics. There is also a section of the “Intelligence” Community that dislikes Trump, he isn’t buying into their anti-Russian programme, and they would be happy to get rid of him, and it seems some Democrats would be OK with that – be careful what you wish for!

On the other hand there are surely very many amongst the military industrial complex, fossil fuelers, healthcare insurers etc who are very happy with Trump. Divisions amongst the elite?


4. CL - March 10, 2017

Mike Lofgren, author of ‘The Deep State’ writes
“Trump’s.. Cabinet, filled with moguls from Big Oil, mega-banking, investment and retail, makes George W. Bush’s Cabinet look like a Bolshevik workers’ council….
Trump will not dismantle the extra-constitutional power structures that have grown more influential in the last decades of near-perpetual war, increasingly intrusive surveillance, financial deregulation and widening inequality. He will further entrench them….

As for the Democratic Party’s hope that the Russian connection will somehow bring down Trump Mark Taibbi does not think so:
“Russia has become an obsession, cultural shorthand for a vast range of suspicions about Donald Trump….
both the Democratic Party and many leading media outlets are making a dangerous gamble, betting their professional and political capital on the promise of future disclosures that may not come….
If we engage in Times-style gilding of every lily the leakers throw our way, and in doing so build up a fever of expectations for a bombshell reveal, but there turns out to be no conspiracy – Trump will be pre-inoculated against all criticism for the foreseeable future.”


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