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How will Irish Labour attempt to capitalise on Corbyn’s Election? June 12, 2017

Posted by WorldbyStorm in Uncategorized.
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And is there any way it can do so profitably? Some of us will have noticed one Brendan Howlin canvassing in…er… London, last week.

And not just canvassing but ‘meeting with British Labour Party officials’.

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1. Dermot O Connor - June 12, 2017

Aw, it’s Mini-me fein.

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2. Jolly Red Giant - June 12, 2017
3. Tawdy - June 12, 2017

Did I read some where that the people Howlin was supporting were Blarites ? The red tories of labour ?

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Jolly Red Giant - June 12, 2017

Howlin was canvassing for Katherine Dunne – a Blairite councillor in Twickenham – and Tulip Siddiq MP. Siddiq is on the right of the Blairite faction – she was a special adviser to Tessa (now Baroness) Jowell. She was one of the main cheerleaders for Blue Labour (who are more like UKIP than the Tories).

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4. Jolly Red Giant - June 12, 2017

I see that Howlin came out this evening calling for student fees to be scrapped – remember the same student fees that Ruairi Quinn said he wouldn’t increase that led Rabbitte to say ‘sure that is what you say during elections.

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5. Jolly Red Giant - June 12, 2017

The Daily Telegraph are also running a headline that the Tories and the Blairites are having secret meetings to do a deal on a soft (pro-EU rich elites) Brexit in the hope of sidelining Corbyn.

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6. murf - June 13, 2017

One wonders whether the LP here will avoid making clear their differences with Corbyn’s LP.

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7. Joe - June 13, 2017

“a soft (pro-EU rich elites) Brexit”. Lovely.
I’m opening a competition for what to put in brackets between ‘a hard’ and ‘Brexit’.
First entry: “a hard (proper bleedin’ border between the RoI and them madsers up north) Brexit”.
All entries welcome…

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WorldbyStorm - June 13, 2017

The odd thing is in reading the coverage of these supposed talks there’s no indication that its Blairites involved on the LP side or the intention is to screw Corbyn whereaa the Telegraph pitches it as implying Number 10 is being at least partly sidelined and hence forced to accept the new dispensation with an lp in favour of a soft brexit plus a minority govt.

+1 Joe

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Ed - June 13, 2017

Well put it this way WBS (and apologies for linking to the Daily Mail): Peter Mandleson argued at the weekend that ‘moderate’ Labour MPs should work with the Tories, and with May in particular, to ensure a ‘soft Brexit’. The whole article is worth reading but this section in particular will linger in the memory:

“The Prime Minister will not be given this chance if she simply continues as she has started, by laying down the law and spelling out where she won’t budge. I believe if she shows flexibility, most of the country will back her. It would be churlish for people like me and other Remainers not to give her political backing.

“There are Labour MPs who want to work in the national interest and will support her if she does the right thing for the country. Mainstream Labour MPs, who worry about the impact of the continuing Corbyn revolution on centrist voters, should be prepared to stand by the wounded PM, and likewise she should welcome their approach in the national interest.”

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4592272/Lord-Peter-Mandleson-urges-Labour-MPs-soft-Brexit.html

Mandelson’s ‘worry about the impact of the continuing Corbyn revolution on centrist voters’ is undoubtedly the fact that it proved far more popular with voters than he believed was possible, and he’ll do anything he can to sabotage it. How much support he would command among Labour MPs is another question, of course; Mandelson was always likely to be one of those Japanese soldiers on an island long after the war was lost, his overriding loyalty is to the people who invite him onto yachts where he hobs-nobs with George Osborne and other luminaries.

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WorldbyStorm - June 13, 2017

Sure, don’t disagree that that is Mandelsons perception, but typical of him is that he assumes Corbyn and McDonnell don’t want a softer Brexit when everything they’ve said publicly is that they do. I think he’s fighting the last war- as per usual. Which in a way has characterised the LP right from the off in relation to Corbyn ( or the war before the last war). All that said I do think that the LP should keep pushing its own workers Brexit line and be cautious about entanglements -though if it winds up that the Tories seek openly as Hague did today to argue for the LPs line on it that could be tricky.

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WorldbyStorm - June 13, 2017

Or to put it another way, if C wants this stopped and the Tories to do it themselves on their own then LP MPs must step back. But in a way there’s s potential quandary that minority govt leads to allowing the prospect for the lp to shape policy to a degree but also take the blame for it. Or to take the blame for not shaping policy.

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GW - June 13, 2017

Let the Tories and the DUP stew in their Brexit for a bit. A good bit. Throw them no lifelines.

Corbynite Labour should rest, regroup, work towards the adoption of compulsory selection and winning the next election.

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WorldbyStorm - June 13, 2017

I tend to the same view, fine to have meetings informally, not least to demonstrate openness, but it is JCs call and as noted above I prefer the workers brexit line.

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GW - June 14, 2017

The problem is that ‘workers Brexit’ at some time will have to be made concrete as opposed to a slogan.

But certainly not now, not until the Tories have owned the shaping of the (quite probably doomed) Brexit negotiations finally.

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WorldbyStorm - June 14, 2017

Yeah, it’s not unconflicted, the ‘workers brexit’ line. But it’s kind of the best there is at the moment given the overall situation. I can’t see Brexit being reversed short of catastrophic economic outcomes which became very rapidly apparent, and tbh I personally would prefer the UK in EFTA/EEA full stop (which would be true to the referendum result and its democratic power while accepting that the form of Brexit wanted by most in the UK now is a soft one). It’s been a hugely problematic presence in the EU pushing for greater ‘liberalisation’ etc from the 1980s onwards.

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GW - June 13, 2017

A hard (because as we know ‘the worse, the better’, even though we deny it) Brexit?

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Joe - June 13, 2017

A hard (all entries not welcome) Brexit.

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8. Roger Cole - June 13, 2017

Howlin’s attitude was made clear when he voted against the Neutrality Bill, which if it had passed would have stopped the use of Shannon Airport by the US Army. It is this collaboration with the doctrine of perpetual war by the US/EU/NATO axis that has created terrorists.
Of course now that Corbyn, who last visited Ireland when he attended a peace conference on Shannon organised by PANA, has done so well, many of the Blairites have admitted they were wrong, some of them possibly sincerely, and if Howlin is one of them, that’s fine.

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9. GW - June 13, 2017

Tory strategy is to spread the blame for the damage from Brexit ( e.g. inflation now at 2.9% with consequent drop in real wages )with British Labour.

Labour would be daft to play along, but I suspect they will.

A better strategy would be hands-off – i.e. “It’s a Tory-created mess and we’ll try to make the best of it when we are in government. Before then it’s their (and the DUP’s) problem.”

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10. Jolly Red Giant - June 13, 2017

All charges against Ken Purcell were withdrawn yesterday at the Jobstown trial in the CCJ.

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WorldbyStorm - June 13, 2017

You only just heard?

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GW - June 13, 2017

I’ve only just heard. Great news – one down six to go.

Were grounds given for withdrawal of charges?

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11. GW - June 13, 2017

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