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Cultural conventions…  July 11, 2017

Posted by WorldbyStorm in Uncategorized.


Here’s a question. I’ve never been to an 12th bonfire – no surprise there. But I wonder looking at the vast structures here, how long would it burn? Does it all go up very rapidly or does it take hours and is that a function of the pallets or other flammable materials being used?

On another site one can see a tower of pallets, there’s no other way of describing it, beside a tree beside a road. That looks crazy dangerous. Politically too… And, well, politically…

Seeing posters of SF reps on bonfires – quite apart from other effigies one has to wonder if that aspect doesn’t constitute a hate crime (and I’d be equally critical were the opposite dynamic manifested).

Then there’s this…

A joint statement from the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) and Progressive Unionist Party (PUP) said there has been an attempt to “discredit” the Twelfth celebrations, and called for calm.


The DUP and PUP have called for a “cultural convention” to be held in the Autumn. In their statement they said this was “to ensure that the Unionist community can go forward with one voice in promoting our culture, heritage and tradition, as well as to ensure that our celebrations continue to be bigger, better and more successful than ever before”.

Bigger. Better. How could any of that go wrong?


The oddity is reading Arlene Fosters words which seem to describe, at least in part, entirely different phenomena where there are no effigies, or coffins with Martin McGuinnesse’s name on them or posters of SF politicians…


However DUP leader Arlene Foster claimed there was a campaign to “demonise” the bonfires.

“Bonfires on the Eleventh Night have long been part of the unionist culture,” she said.

“Those who have waged a campaign of demonisation against such celebrations should dial down the rhetoric.


One has to wonder do these aspects of the event pointed to above have to be a part of at least some of its contemporary manifestations?


1. roddy - July 11, 2017

As I have said before,you could not put a cigarette paper between any of the unionist parties.When theres sectarian rabble rousing to be done ,they all come together to blame the fenians.


WorldbyStorm - July 11, 2017

I was just saying to someone else how there’s practically no focus on this by the English/British media after all the stuff about the DUP just a few short weeks ago. But imagine if you will if in housing estates the length and breadth of England people built bonfires and put Tory or Labour posters on them as a matter of course once a year. Or take it further, a bonfire with Jo Cox’s effigy on it.

I find it just astounding how much is tolerated in the discourse. Not that policing this is going to work – I’d be sorry for PSNI or whoever who went in to shut it down, and it wouldn’t be worth the effort. But the lack of even a cursory criticism is very telling.


irishmarxism - July 11, 2017

All the stuff about the DUP in the British media was about their homophobia and anti-women politics while the raison d’être of the DUP is sectarianism.

You should not feel sorry for the police – the loyalist paramilitaries are their paid agents; like rather unruly attack dogs that often bark at their owner but exist to do its bidding.

The people to feel sorry for are Protestant residents of these estates that are out of sympathy with the paramilitary defenders of what is supposed to be their kulture but who know that going to complain to the cops is to simply give the postman their views to be delivered to the thugs.

If by some miracle the cops did take action the loyalists would, as Roddy says in his comment above, blame the fenians.

Anyone who wants to reconcile themselves to this ‘culture’, or show respect to this ‘tradition’ or gives any credit to their ‘heritage’ should go acquaint themselves with the real meaning of this PC nonsense by explaining themselves to a crowd on the 11th night round a bonfire.

Attempting to knock off the objectionable bits of this culture is like polishing a turd.

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2. benmadigan - July 11, 2017

here’s the latest manifestation of sectarianism and hatred
on 11th night bonfires in belfast https://eurofree3.wordpress.com/2017/07/11/the-11th-night-belfast-2017/


3. roddy - July 11, 2017

McGuinness in a coffin to be burned this year,Bobby sands in a coffin to be burned last year.


4. Pasionario - July 11, 2017

This, from a writer I often disagree with, should answer your question:



WorldbyStorm - July 12, 2017

Me too but it’s a brilliant piece.


5. roddy - July 12, 2017

Some genius from the northern Green party has just tweeted that salvation from all this is at hand by “decoupling socialism from Irish nationalism”!


WorldbyStorm - July 12, 2017

What on earth can they mean? Sheesh. Sometimes one has to wonder at them.


6. roddy - July 12, 2017

Apparently it will “develop class conciousness” !


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