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What you want to say – 13 June 2018 June 13, 2018

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As always, following on Dr. X’s suggestion, it’s all yours, “announcements, general discussion, whatever you choose”, feel free.

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1. yourcousin - June 13, 2018

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1J82UB

“Never be deceived that the rich will allow you to vote away their wealth”

Lucy Parsons

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RosencrantzisDead - June 13, 2018

It was folly to think a small, low-level group could take on one of the world’s largest corporations.

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2. GW - June 13, 2018

The post-Snowden programme to make HTTPS a standard has changed the censorship landscape for governments and corporations.

It’s a case where the political has been implemented by technical means which once more has influenced the political again. Altogether dialectical.

Here’s the EFF’s new rating of various capitalist enclosures of the internet.

In an HTTP environment where governments could directly filter Internet content, entire websites could disappear behind obscure and misleading error messages. But now, on today’s increasingly HTTPS-secured, social media-dominated web, transparency from tech companies about the pressure they face may give us increased visibility into both corporate and government censorship decisions.

Takeaway: on anything controlled by Zuckerberg – Facebook, Whatsapp, Instagram (still facilitated in tax evasion and regulatory arbitrage by the FG Irish government) – expect to be censored and never know anything about it.

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GW - June 13, 2018

Last but one paragraph a failed blockquote from the report:

Once again in context:

Compared to governments directly blocking content, private censorship can effectively disappear information across the entire web rather than merely within a certain country’s borders. The stakes are high, especially in unstable political environments and for those living under repressive regimes. The targets of takedown requests include journalists, activists, and dissidents, and requests to take down their content or block their pages often serve as an ominous prelude to further government targeting.

In an HTTP environment where governments could directly filter Internet content, entire websites could disappear behind obscure and misleading error messages. But now, on today’s increasingly HTTPS-secured, social media-dominated web, transparency from tech companies about the pressure they face may give us increased visibility into both corporate and government censorship decisions.

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3. GW - June 13, 2018

Apparently, there’s going to be a referendum on the blasphemy reference in the RoI constitution.

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Joe - June 13, 2018

Jesus wept.

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Gerryboy - June 13, 2018

It will be on the same day as the presidential election, if there is an election. Debate about God and the constitution, and about how modern we’ll look if we drop blaspheming His name from the constitution, will in a slight way detract public attention from the preparation of the Budget. Slick agenda management.

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4. Tomboktu - June 13, 2018

Having done two years of studying, I’ve put away any notions of reading ‘serious’ books till the end of the summer, and Samuel Moyn’s new book Not Enough: Human Rights in an Unequal World will be the one I will pick up come September or October.

It’s been discussed a fair bit on some of the sites I watch or read. It’s reviewed, with another book, in the LRB this week: https://www.lrb.co.uk/v40/n12/pankaj-mishra/the-mask-it-wears. (Conor Cruise O’Brien is quoted in the review.)

Moyn’s new book shows how human rights, as well as enabling American militarism, acquiesced, as a ‘powerless companion of market fundamentalism’, to the global ‘explosion of inequality’. … He describes at length the thinking behind European commitments to national welfare states in the postwar era. This is not nostalgia, of the kind Tony Judt felt for the social democracy of his youth. Nor is it Third Worldism, as a touchy reviewer of Moyn’s book in the New York Times charged. Rather, Moyn wants to reinstate socialism – which was, after all, the ‘central language of justice’ globally before it was supplanted by human rights – as an ethical ideal and political objective.

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5. Alibaba - June 14, 2018

A valuable reminder about what needs doing:

‘The Tories’ Brexit strategy is, to put it mildly, bungled. The odds of a Brexit deal being negotiated to the satisfaction of the Tory hard Brexiteers are low. And what then? Another trope of the radical right is the “stab in the back” myth, the claim that traitors and saboteurs wrecked their sacred national project. Hysteria will be whipped up mercilessly by the rightwing media. And one of the chief beneficiaries will be an increasingly assertive and dangerous far right. …

Were it not for Corbynism, the radical right would have a monopoly on resentment of the status quo, and would be even stronger. But the radical left has to better confront the expanding far right. When it mobilises on the streets, the left must do so in greater numbers. The left – from Labour to Momentum to the trade unions – must debate how it can more effectively organise in working-class communities. The far right is effectively using social media as a tool of radicalisation; the left needs a counter-strategy. There is an alarming lack of appreciation of just how dangerous this political moment is, or where we could be heading. The potential consequences should frighten us all.’

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/13/brexit-traitor-trope-hard-right-fantasies-risk

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6. Liberius - June 15, 2018

Question:123. Deputy Clare Daly asked the Minister for Health his views on the HSE promotional campaign for the HPV vaccine which contains captions such as armed for life and protect our future and states that the HPV vaccine protects girls from getting cervical cancer when they are older in view of information (details supplied); and if he will make a statement on the matter. [25808/18]

Wouldn’t mind knowing what the “details supplied” were, or more to the point where did they come from. The tone of that seems to be that she is again questioning the efficacy of the vaccine, although she seems to have learned that it is bad idea to put your crank sources on the public record.

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traineeacademic - June 15, 2018

Liberius – I’ve followed your regular comments on this matter over the last while I think you raise some important points, I’m curious about a few things.
Firstly, can you clarify your ‘expertise’ on the matter – have you professional training on the issue? If not, what makes your analysis more accurate than Daly?
I know Daly quite well and I don’t believe for a moment she’s some sort of stooge for the ‘anti vaccine lot’ that you’ve implied a number of times – one of the things you continually seem to miss at least I’ve never seen mention of it is that the people on behalf of whom Daly (and others) is voicing concerns are not ‘anti vaccine’ their kids had the vaccine and had a reaction to it, I am also quite sure that Daly herself is not anti-vaccine so it’s disingenuous to label her as such.
Lastly I wonder have you contacted Daly about your concerns or issues because with all due respect to this site surely if you wish to render Daly more profound on the important issue would you not bring your information/sources to her attention particularly if you think she is over reliant on ‘crank sources’?

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Liberius - June 15, 2018

1) No, I don’t have a specific expertise in this, but then neither has Daly to the best of my knowledge.

2) The problem with Daly’s “analysis” is that she regularly brings up things that can only be tracked back to genuinely anti-vaccine sources (for that you can google the other comments I’ve made on this with links to quacks like Chris Shaw). My “analysis” isn’t mine, it is the scientific material that has been done on the vaccine (dispute at your own leisure)

3) I don’t care what you believe about someone, your own personal take is irrelevant against what she actually asks in these questions.

4) There is no evidence, with multiple epidemiological studies conducted (again google previous comments) that the claimed illnesses are causes by the vaccine, I’ve never suggested that sick children should not be given care they need, but I have said that I don’t think you can traduce useful medicine without evidence, real evidence not anecdote.

5) My comments are primarily about informing the CLR community, it is not my job to get into a pointless debate with her like I had at the door with one of her canvassers on this in 2016. If she wanted to improve her knowledge then I as an anonymous commenter aren’t the primary method of making that so and it would already have happened given that the information is fully available from a multitude of sources (hint: start at google scholar rather than the normal version and use your brain).

6) Maybe I’m expecting too much of politicians not to bend to the will of conspiracy theorists and cranks, or that they actually bother to inform themselves rather than getting random nobodies to do it for them, but then I’d argue that others just have too low an expectation.

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Liberius - June 15, 2018

7) I’m not wasting my time debating this incidentally as these issues have be debated before on CLR on previous occasions (again see google).

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traineeacademic - June 15, 2018

An oddly tetchy and dare I say aggressive response.

1. I didn’t suggest Daly had ‘expert’ knowledge I asked had you any and you’ve acknowledged you haven’t.

2. I don’t have a ‘personal’ take I know the woman and I know her view on the matter.

3. I didn’t suggest that it was your ‘job’ to inform Daly although I’m not really sure why it would be a ‘pointless’ debate and to be honest using a discussion with a canvasser on a door is a rather hollow excuse, frankly. The point I was making was that you are clearly exercised about this issue and you have regularly raised the issue here yet you could bring your insights to the attention of the person you continue to take issue with – it would involve you in as much work as posting on this site – I just find it decidedly odd given your concern on the issue.

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Liberius - June 15, 2018

It’s tetchy because I’ve been here before, and not just with Daly but with SF, people are free obviously to defend the people and parties they support, but I’m not going to take them seriously for it.

Are random members of the public not allowed to be concerned about things now? There are much more public and qualified people on this issue who are doing the public stuff. Again it’s not my job, the primary aim is informing the CLR community on things that should/could be interesting to them (hence the concentration on what left TDs and SF say on the subject above Michael Nobody FFG TD for Somewhere North-East).

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Alibaba - June 16, 2018

What does this discussion tell us? Commentators inform us about what left TDs said on the effectiveness of the HPV vaccine and seek to prove or discount the record of these politicians: fair enough. When views differ as happens here, loaded with critique, that’s fair enough too. It’s in the nature of any online community. But one has to be careful if you cultivate the emotion to post in a taunting and tetchy manner because it ain’t going to cut it, least of all on CLR.

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Liberius - June 16, 2018

I know, reading it back I could have done a much better job of being neutral in tone, but it’s not always that easily when you’re rattling off a comment quickly.

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Alibaba - June 16, 2018

Fair dues to you and after all, you were taunted. When I rush to comment textually or verbally myself, I try to tell myself, think it, don’t say it. But sometimes I do.

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7. Liberius - June 15, 2018

It all began with words uttered by Dorota Arciszewska-Mielewczyk, an MP of the ruling ‘Law and Justice’ (PiS) party.

“The seal is an obvious pest, and the Baltic Sea is not its natural environment. Before the war, fishermen were paid for killing seals. Its appearance in Poland is a move by the WWF and ecologists, who are mainly Germans, who would like to move the reserves to Poland. We have to start doing something. There is no other way,” she said in March.

She added that it should not be the case that “a pest gets more protection than fishermen” and called for the protected animals be shot. The situation quickly got out of control. Not a week goes by without a dead seal being found on the beach.

There are no words for this level of crazed conspiracy theory.

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8. Paddy Healy - June 16, 2018

ICTU LEADERS DISGRACED AS HOSPITAL CONSULTANTS PICK UP 200 Million in “Back Money” and 70,000 per year Pay Rise Each on Top of Unwinding FEMPI Increases as Government Caves in Out-Of-Court Settlement
Members Covered By ICTU have no Legal Case because ICTU UNIONS AGREED TO THE CUTS in Lansdowne Rd, Haddington RD Agreements etc
IRISH TIMES-No knock-on claims after €200m consultants case, Government insists.
Pat Leahy, Fiach Kelly
Full Article https://wp.me/pKzXa-ZB

The Government has insisted the €200 million settlement with hospital consultants reached yesterday will have no knock-on effects or implication for pay elsewhere in the public service.

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9. Aonrud ⚘ - June 16, 2018

For any CLR people who are technically inclined, I thought it would be in the spirit of free/libre software to add a page to the Left Archive website acknowledging the free/libre projects it depends on, and open standards implemented on the site.

For the curious:
https://www.clririshleftarchive.org/information/about-the-website/

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10. traineeacademic - June 16, 2018

Sorry Alibaba but how exactly was Liberius ‘taunted’ – I asked valid questions of him/her, there was no taunting involved.

The site is not allowing me reply directly hence this is out of sequence.

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WorldbyStorm - June 16, 2018

Not a question of not letting your reply, that’s WordPress’s comment hierarchy, it can be a bit messy on longer threads. Strictly speaking you should be able to put a response after the last comment in the thread but sometimes it seems to go out of sequence.

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Alibaba - June 17, 2018

Well, traineeacademic, this comment struck me as taunting to Liberius:

‘can you clarify your ‘expertise’ on the matter – have you professional training on the issue? If not, what makes your analysis more accurate than Daly?’

In truth I was taking both of you to task because I considered both your observations worthy of follow up commentary.

By the way, I used to have the same problem as you with the site seeming to disallow a reply in some cases, especially on longer threads. The solution is counter-intuitive. It goes like this, you need to click the last ‘Reply’ option seen on the thread and then it kicks in your comment to the last one. Here’s hoping this makes some sense too.

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Barnes - June 17, 2018

Is it taunting or asking a fair question?
One can choose to see the former but the latter is equally valid.

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Alibaba - June 17, 2018

The issue here is not asking a fair question, which was entirely appropriate to do, given traineeacademic’s correct suggestion that Liberius is ‘clearly exercised about the issue’ and Daly’s representations. I think the example I gave was put in a way to goad a response and that’s taunting as I understand it anyway.

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Liberius - June 17, 2018

FWIW my interpretation of “traineeacademic”’s comments are that the first quote below felt like a fairly aggressive way of suggesting that Daly’s opinions are of equal value if I don’t have credentials, to me that was absurd as it ignored (in defiance of the claim to have followed my comments on the topic) that I’ve based what I’ve written on the scientific material in the public domain and which people/what sites have said similar/the same things.

The second quote starts with a fairly meaningless personal opinion about Daly that doesn’t effect what she’s written/said/asked on the topic and continues into a defence of the “concerned parents”, this attack ignores that I’ve referenced the dodgy links to anti-vax sites on the REGRET website in previous comments (again in defiance of the claim to have followed the comments) and asserts that reactions have been had to the vaccine when no evidence exists for those claimed links (which gives away which side of the fence “traineeacademic” is on); it then ends with another meaningless personal opinion on Daly. None of this felt like questions in good faith to me, it felt much more like someone angry that anything negative is being written about Daly and REGRET.

Incidentally, getting the whole thing back towards actual facts on this topic the third quote below is from a study based on Ontario health data and focused on the vaccine and autoimmune illnesses (something that wasn’t hard to find).

Firstly, can you clarify your ‘expertise’ on the matter – have you professional training on the issue? If not, what makes your analysis more accurate than Daly?

I know Daly quite well and I don’t believe for a moment she’s some sort of stooge for the ‘anti vaccine lot’ that you’ve implied a number of times – one of the things you continually seem to miss at least I’ve never seen mention of it is that the people on behalf of whom Daly (and others) is voicing concerns are not ‘anti vaccine’ their kids had the vaccine and had a reaction to it, I am also quite sure that Daly herself is not anti-vaccine so it’s disingenuous to label her as such.

RESULTS: The study cohort consisted of 290 939 girls aged 12–17 years who were eligible for vaccination between 2007 and 2013. There was no significant risk for developing an autoimmune disorder following HPV4 vaccination (n = 681; rate ratio 1.12, 95% CI 0.85–1.47), and the association was unchanged by a history of immune-mediated disorders and time since vaccination. Exploratory analyses of individual autoimmune disorders found no significant risks, including for Bell palsy (n = 65; rate ratio 1.73, 95% CI 0.77–3.89), optic neuritis (n = 67; rate ratio 1.57, 95% CI 0.74–3.33) and Graves disease (n = 47; rate ratio 1.55, 95% CI 0.92–2.63).

INTERPRETATION: We did not observe an increased risk of autoimmune disorders following HPV4 vaccination among teenaged girls. These findings should reassure parents and health care providers.

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11. Tomboktu - June 19, 2018

The Leaving Certificate, à la française

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Barnes - June 19, 2018

Something badly needed in our curriculum.

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