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90% July 23, 2019

Posted by WorldbyStorm in Uncategorized.

This for some reason surprises me:

Overall, the Higher Education Authority report [a survey of more than 29,000 recent third-level graduates has found]shows that nine months after graduating the vast majority of graduates (78 per cent) were working.
The remainder were in further education or training (14 per cent), seeking work (5 per cent) or engaged in other activities, such as travel (4 per cent).
The strength of the growing economy is reflected in the fact that 90 per cent of those who graduated found employment within Ireland.

This, not so much:

When broken down by type of course, education graduates – such as teachers – had the highest reported average salaries (€38,701) nine months after graduating. There were also relatively high salaries for ICT (€36,135) and engineering graduates (€36,81). The lowest reported average salaries were in the arts and humanities field at €24,728.
Employment outcomes are also best for education graduates, with 93 per cent working or about to start a job. This is followed by health and welfare (87 per cent), ICT (82 per cent ) and engineering (82 per cent). Arts and humanities graduates (63 per cent) were the least likely to be working or about to start a job.

Still all this points to the significance of education of every sort.


1. Jim Monaghan - July 23, 2019

I remember when the Inter was a gateway to a decent job, then it was the LC, now at least a degree. With the caveat that a bad degree is a waste of time. General point, I think more vocational routes should be developed. Craft leading to garduate engineer with sandwich courses for the academic bits. Nurses hgaving a fasttrack into doctoring. Academic learning is not for all. And it should not mean that leaving school because you are bored necessarily means deadend jobs. Germany is much better at this than us.

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yourcousin - July 23, 2019

Why does craft have to be a stepping stone? Ditto nursing. Those are necessary occupations and ones that if organized/unionized are great livelihoods that give back to their communities.

I know no one is trying to put down blue/pink collar folks, but I don’t think my livelihood ought to be seen as a halfway house for the motivated folks to “come up” from.

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WorldbyStorm - July 24, 2019

It’s a real problem – a divide between craft vocational and other areas as if one is lesser – I’ve a friend in nyc who went through same college as me and has spent the last two decades plastering and yet he also paints paintings that he sells. The day job is plaster but where is the divide? That said I’ve also friends who tiled all their lives and the knees go in the 40s. It can be tough. My own feeling is have a bit of everything and be willing to do everything.


Jim Monaghan - July 24, 2019

My intent was not to disparage being a nurse, craftsperson etc. But to challenge the idea that it is Third Level, with an academic route or nothing. At the extreme end, there is the stuff about the student who got the 600 points and “wasted” it by not doing Medicine or law. I would like to see walls removed, in the sense that say becoming a nurse is seen as a cul de sac. ( I could say this better). Another of my points is that overly academic does not suit everyone. The point below on knees etc. being ruined is a major point. I think societies get what snobbery hails. So in Britain, you get many bright people going into financial services and “making things” is despised. Here, the “professional” classes are also the classes people aspire too. In Germany, this is not the same.

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WorldbyStorm - July 24, 2019

Agree with a lot of that Jim – just on the knees point being that jobs can be very tough and time limited and so the sort of mixture of education we think is good can suit that for people if encouraged – sort of flexibility but not right wing economic flexibility and instead something driven by personal circumstance – I know a lot of people involved in PLCs and what often strikes me is how people come back to studies whether practical or less practical at various points in their lives and that option being available is great.


ThalmannBrigadier - July 24, 2019

Its gotten to the stage where you need a bloody MSc to get a decent job.

Would agree with you about vocational routes. I know far too many people who wasted time doing ridiculous courses merely for the experience of going to uni. And there’s more of a demand for people with apprenticeships than someone with law and french degree.

“Nurses hgaving a fasttrack into doctoring”
If you;re willing to survive 4 years of a fairly brutal course followed by the drudgery of being a junior doctor. I had to deal with some orthopaedic interns who are essentially trying to manage an entire ward (SHO’s and Regs are in theatre).
Its a profession I wouldn’t wish on my worst enemy.

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WorldbyStorm - July 25, 2019

Without question – people talk about grade inflation but seldom enough about qualification inflation so a degree isn’t enough but an MA etc is now required (saw that first hand in the 90s and early 2000s) and it functions too re PhDs. I’ve also a problem with the very term vocational – whatever one does is in a sense vocational – certainly the hours and resources poured into getting various qualifications while working full time was vocational – and again I dislike the idea of an explicit divide


2. Joe - July 23, 2019

“The strength of the growing economy is reflected in the fact that 90 per cent of those who graduated found employment within Ireland.”

Boom and bust. Full employment then emigration. Capitalism. Next recession in the early 20s presumably.

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3. Alibaba - July 23, 2019

So, 78 per cent were working eh? But in what kind of jobs? Not necessarily in the area they qualified in or are interested in and you can be sure they are in much worse conditions than we had in our days. And they are in ongoing pressure to upskill, get the Masters or whatever.

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