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An analysis of Brexit and Ireland September 18, 2019

Posted by WorldbyStorm in Uncategorized.
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Some will find this, from the Morning Star, and Kevin McCorry of the People’s Movement (and NICRA) which fairly explicitly seems to argue that the Republic should leave the European Union raises a range of questions. This is a particularly intriguing statement:

But if there are new Irish border problems arising at this time, they do not stem from Britain’s democratic decision to leave the EU, but from the Irish government’s desire to remain in it, even though it is not in the Irish people’s interest to continue as citizens of the EU federal state-in-the-making, for they are already citizens of an Irish state.

Interesting to compare that with polling of Irish citizen’s attitudes to EU membership (as distinct from the Irish government) which has remained consistently in the high 80s and 90s throughout the Brexit process (as to take but one case exemplified by this).

Then there’s this analysis as regards partition which is effectively presented as a lesser of two evils should the ROI and subsequently a UI remain in the EU.

If the Republic stays in the EU following Britain’s departure, a united Ireland at some future date would mean that the whole island would come under effective Franco-German military control while flying an EU flag.

And this that seems to reify British wishes over those of the people of this island.

In the current instance it is being used by the most reactionary elements of the British, Irish and EU Establishments to frustrate the progressive desire of the majority in the 2016 Brexit referendum to “take back control” of their law making, money and borders from the EU.
In essence partition is being used to foist reaction indirectly on the Brexit majority rather than directly on Ireland itself.

One of the most curious aspects about it is the de facto absolute adherence to a very hard-Brexit ie not accepting the Withdrawal Agreement (and the WA is itself is a hard Brexit).

Thanks to JM for the link.

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1. EWI - September 18, 2019

The effectively unionist (and partitionist) worldview of some parts of the British left really is something to behold. Not just the Tories where you find ‘Tans’.

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WorldbyStorm - September 18, 2019

+1. Yeah, it’s an unconscious (?) integration of certain modes of thought in relation to smaller nations and states where they are acted upon but never actors in their own right. Only larger states have histories – others have to make do, tho given the actual track record of this island standing up to arguably the most powerful empire on the planet st the time and doing so with some success that points up how ahistorical their reading is.
That guy Simms is a good example of same. Nakedly so, albeit he’s not exactly ‘left’ but same attitudes.

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Paul Culloty - September 18, 2019

Indeed, given effective power within the EU resides within the European Council, which reflects the balance of power between national governments, the strength of the left within the EU will follow the trends of general elections, which have begun to swing back towards social democrats this year (Finland, Denmark, Spain).

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WorldbyStorm - September 18, 2019

Great point, that’s a real opportunity if people apply pressure to those SD parties.

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2. Joe - September 18, 2019

I’ve lost patience with the lexiteers and the orthodox communists in general. I am now officially a mealy-mouthed, do-gooder, hush puppy liberal. Or something along those lines anyway. Maybe a democratic socialist. Probably the same thing really.

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WorldbyStorm - September 18, 2019

Republican socialist in the original sense of the term? Or something 🙂

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Joe - September 18, 2019

Íosta ar bhaidhsaicl. Not that. Never. A term that sadly can never be rehabilitated in my hush puppy etc etc humble opinion.

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Jim Monaghan - September 18, 2019

“in my hush puppy “. This was a term used by Harris to describe all thsoe who disagreed with him on the 6 Counties in RTE.

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Joe - September 18, 2019

Probably need to check that with Mr Harris himself. But I always read it as an attempted diss of (are these his words too?) trendy liberals and Trots in RTÉ and southern society in general.
So, what I’m trying to say is, he didn’t use it to describe ALL those who disagreed with him. Let’s say a bog standard FFer who disagreed with him, he wouldn’t call them ‘hush puppies’. But an ex-Trot trendy media sneaking-regarder, he would call them ‘hush puppies’.

Thinks. Wonder could I get a gig ghost-writing for ould Eoghan?

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WorldbyStorm - September 18, 2019

It’s difficult, I can see how that might rub you up the wrong way Joe – re republican socialist.

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EWI - September 19, 2019

“in my hush puppy “. This was a term used by Harris to describe all thsoe who disagreed with him on the 6 Counties in RTE.

This. An obsession that continues, to go by Harris’s several sock-puppet identities on Twitter.

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EWI - September 19, 2019

I’ve lost patience with the lexiteers

They’re at least forty years out of date in their arguments, which reflects a certain fossilisation of outlook (an unkind person might add other things too). And many more than happy to ally themselves with the worst of English capitalism and nationalism 🤷‍♂️

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3. FergusD - September 18, 2019

Well I am a Trot and I find the nationalism of the lexiteers appalling. No way those are Marxist arguments. Can you imagine Marx, Lenin or Trotsky advocating ‘national’ solutions? Terrible stuff. At the same time I realise what the EU is and have no illusions in it, unlike the huge illusions the lexiteers have in the nation state. And surely they are aware of the nature of the comprador Irish state, or are they?

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WorldbyStorm - September 18, 2019

Yeah, I’d be in or around that, though from a republican socialist, libertarian Marxist perspective. The EU has enormous problems but Brexit doesn’t diminish them.

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WorldbyStorm - September 19, 2019

And a further thought – reading the linked article it is clear the author and those like him have literally no understanding of the single market or customs union – they don’t understand the phytosanitary regulations the reasons for regulations why workers need them too in regard to products and foodstuffs why those relating to the EU are arguably the best on the planet and why leaving that environment is deeply problematic. The simple mundane dullness of this stuff is overwhelming but is completely unaddressed and a subject of total disinterest to them. It’s funny reading Richard Norths blog where he too wants Brexit but not to leave the SM or CU precisely because of these benefits – a position I think is rational. To be honest I can’t take any of the people making the arguments linked to in the OP seriously. They have nothing to offer on the topic and prove it every time they say or write anything. And my concern would be if this is evident in the area of Brexit which is whatever position one takes a near existential issue then on other issues how sound is their judgement likely to be? I’ve long thought the left and further left has to school itself in the world as it is – economically socially and so on in order to build the strongest possible critiques. On the evidence of this we are nowhere close to that.

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4. nollaigoj - September 18, 2019

Just ask Harris if he ever had sleepless nights over the Poblacht Chríostúil election campaign in 1965.

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5. Jim Monaghan - September 22, 2019

The successor opf Peoples Democracy. “The empire strikes back

Stalinism solves Brexit by returning Ireland to colonial status

21 September 2019

Many in the British left were outraged by an article in the Morning Star from Irish “Peoples party” member Kevin McCorry when he offered fulsome support to Britain’s “democratic” Brexit strategy and suggested that the solution to the backstop was for Ireland to leave with Britain.

The article is utterly dishonest. According to McCorry, the backstop is an artificially created obstacle. Continued EU membership is not necessary to maintain the cooperation that the GFA provides for.

Straightaway he contradicts himself. Even though the backstop is an “artificial” obstacle the main way around it for Ireland to leave the EU alongside Britain. McCorry claims that both states must honour their commitments under the GFA when Britain has been openly flouting those commitments since long before the collapse of the Stormont administration in the North.” http://www.socialistdemocracy.org/RecentArticles/RecentStalinismSolvesBrexitByReturningIrelanToColonialStatus.html?fbclid=IwAR1AFaSu2nV9IbeQTPRVHmYxIHuXNRKrK486WbGnuxCKrQPznT6hlvpZhW4

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O'Connor Lysaght - September 22, 2019

Very good, Jim. But you and the article should mention the outstanding fact that increases McCorry’s iniquity. He wrote his screed for a British audience, such as would be encouraged by it to stand firm for a no deal.

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