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RISE September 30, 2019

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The name of Paul Murphy’s new party.

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1. pettyburgess - September 30, 2019

Website up already: http://www.letusrise.ie

Paul Murphy has been tweeting out their press conference.

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pettyburgess - September 30, 2019

There’s a big emphasis on a Green New Deal and environmentalism. Also a lot of stuff about working in grassroots movements in a non sectarian way. Plus wanting to have an open and democratic internal culture. Calls for the left to agree unified candidates for the forthcoming by elections.

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2. Liberius - September 30, 2019

Is the Let us/lettuce thing accidental or a deliberate nod to the heavy emphasis on environmentalism, which sounds itself fairly inline with the BLP conference policies of last week?

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3. irishelectionliterature - September 30, 2019

Went along to the Press Conference. It’s a group and will register with SIPO as that rather than a Party.
As of now, they are not affiliated with any International section although in talks with like minded groups.
Have yet to get any members in The North although would be delighted to have some.
RISE stands for “Radical, Internationalist, Socialist and Environmentalist”
They were also aware of the possible translation of RISE as Éirígí .

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pettyburgess - September 30, 2019

I don’t think that any of the parties and groupings in S-PBP are separately registered as parties any more (Solidarity, PBP, SP, SWN). Only S-PBP itself.

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WorldbyStorm - September 30, 2019

Congrats on photo and post, you were ahead of rte and the IT IEL!

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irishelectionliterature - September 30, 2019

Ha! I did the post on my phone from the Press Conference.

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Aonrud ⚘ - September 30, 2019

Are they still within Solidarity-PBP?

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Aonrud ⚘ - September 30, 2019

Or I could follow the link before asking questions… 🙂

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irishelectionliterature - September 30, 2019

They are, how much of that is simply convenience and to do with party funding, Dail speaking rights etc.

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Aonrud ⚘ - September 30, 2019

I assume they won’t add a new hyphen then.

There we go anyway, up to date 😉 https://www.clririshleftarchive.org/page/timeline-of-the-irish-left/#find-RISE

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4. Liberius - September 30, 2019
5. Joe - September 30, 2019

‘What we stand for’ on their website is impressive.

On the usual fixation: “For workers’ unity between Protestants and Catholics against sectarianism and capitalist exploitation, and a united struggle for socialist change as the basis for a just and lasting peace in the North.”

Ha! Parse that for me now, you nationalist/West Brit/little Irelander/unionist [delete as necessary] bastards 🙂

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nollaigoj - October 2, 2019

So a fudge on the national question, Joe – not a very good start there.
How about Brexit/Lexit/Irexit ??
Another fudge?
Their comments on broad campaign structures are hopeful.

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Joe - October 2, 2019

Tbh a Nollaig, I don’t see it as a fudge. The i in Rise stands for internationalist. Maybe they don’t see it as a ‘national question’ but as an international one. National solutions to international questions – there aren’t any. Socialism and workers unity internationally is the solution.

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nollaigoj - October 3, 2019

Joe, A chara

I would be prepared to consider “There are only international solutions to national questions” but to deny that there is a national question in Ireland as Irish Militant / Socialist Party(Ireland) / Rise have done throughout their political existence is just wrong especially in the present political situation.

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Paddy Healy - October 3, 2019

I agree, Nollaig. The demand for Irish unity , independence and sovereignty and the campaign for this is an integral part of the fight for the irish socialist revolution. It is also part of the Irish working class contribution to the international socialist revolution against imperialism, the highest stage of capitalism. That was the Connolly position, which remains valid to-day. Just because Irish unity and sovereignty will not be fully achieved except through a 32-county workers republic does not excuse revolutionaries for not unconditionally campaigning for Irish unity and sovereignty with (or without) revolutionary republican allies. Just because Irish socialism cannot be fully achieved and consolidated without the achievement of a socialist Europe including the UK ,at a minimum, does not mean that we should not fight unconditionally and without delay for a socialist united Ireland.
Socialist Party Ireland-What we stand For “We stand for the unity of the working class on this island, Protestant and Catholic, North and South, in the struggle against sectarianism and the capitalist system. We stand for a socialist Ireland, with no coercion and the rights of all minorities guaranteed, as part of free, equal and voluntary socialist federation of Ireland, Scotland, England and Wales.” PH-note that the word “united” between socialist and Ireland is missing above. This is deliberate and politically significant.

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6. baalthor - September 30, 2019

There are (or were) at least two existing RISE’s: a mental health advocacy charity (I think) set up by Frances Black and “Rural Ireland Says Enough”, stickers still sometimes observed on the bumpers of SUVs in country areas.

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irishelectionliterature - September 30, 2019

There was a Scottish one also.. “Respect, Independence, Socialism and Environmentalism”

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Dr. X - October 1, 2019

They should have called it Radical Internationalist Democratic Environmentalist Socialists (RIDES).

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7. EWI - September 30, 2019
EWI - September 30, 2019

He even has the bald look down already.

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Dr. Nightdub - October 1, 2019

Must admit the first thing I thought of when I heard “Rise” was:

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WorldbyStorm - October 1, 2019

I can picture it now – PM bounding onto an arena stage at the first RISE delegate conference to the strains of PIL ‘Haaaalllo Comrades!’

Ah – happy times

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8. Jim Monaghan - September 30, 2019

There is urgency needed on getting a single Left candidate agreed for the 4 byelections.
Like the Green stuff. But hopefully RISE does not oppose a congestion charge n Dublin. Use the revenue gained for public transport. I learned to my surprise the the SWP across the water opposed the Livingtone plan for London. At t he very least a feasibility study should be done.

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9. GearóidGaillimh - September 30, 2019

Are there any thoughts on how big this new formation is and the geographical spread?

Solidarity’s selected GE candidate in Galway West has gone to RISE, anyway, as I recognise her in the photo,

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irishelectionliterature - September 30, 2019

Currently they have members in Galway, Limerick, Dublin and Dublin SW.
I would hazard that it can’t be more than 30 or so at the minute, given the size of the SP.

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GearóidGaillimh - September 30, 2019

Thanks. Éirígí are none too pleased with the proposed name according to their FB page!

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10. Paddy Healy - September 30, 2019

I will comment on Paul Murphy’s statements in detail later:
They are here; https://wp.me/pKzXa-1fv
For Now Note Omissions— No mention of Irish Unity, No Governmental Perspective for 6-Counties, No Mention of the Role of the Capitulatory Irish Trade Union Bureaucracy, No Claim to have supporting activists in 6-Counties, The emphasis on United Front Activity With Sinn Féin which was Contained in Paul Murphy’s original personal statement has disappeared;”“Failing to understand the importance of applying the united front method has resulted in mistakes in the past in relation to Sinn Féin, and can result in mistakes in the future.”- Paul Murphy .Orientation to the Green Movement is now dominant. -PH

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EWI - September 30, 2019

No Mention of the Role of the Capitulatory Irish Trade Union Bureaucracy

This… is a big omission. As is the refusal to adopt any real position on the North.

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irishelectionliterature - September 30, 2019

I should have asked him the Groups position on Brexit at the press conference!

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Joe - October 1, 2019

I don’t know. What they say about the North: “For workers’ unity between Protestants and Catholics against sectarianism and capitalist exploitation, and a united struggle for socialist change as the basis for a just and lasting peace in the North.”
That’s probably as real a position as they’ve taken on lots of issues. It’s kind of veering towards the idea that socialism is the answer to the national question.
I like it anyway and that’s all that really matters :).

On not having a go at the trade union bureaucracy. Given that the Risers left the SP cos they wanted to be able to get involved in more broad front-type activities, it’s not surprising that they don’t have a go at a potential ally in future broad fronts.

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benmadigan - October 1, 2019

For every single politico who has uttered the pious sentiment “For workers’ unity between Protestants and Catholics against sectarianism etc ” I have yet to hear one map out how to make this happen – not even the very first baby step has been described!!

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Joe - October 1, 2019

Well, Ben. A former comrade of mine. He was interned in the early seventies – don’t know if that’s a good enough recommendation for you. He was in the IRA in Belfast in the late sixties. In his late teens. Just recently married, as it happened – working class lads married younger in them days. And he’d married a working class Protestant girl.
Anyway he was at a big meeting of members of the Republican Movement at the time. The top table told the assembled comrades that the movement wanted to reach out to the Protestant working class. They probably prefaced it by saying something along the lines of: “For workers’ unity between Protestants and Catholics against sectarianism and capitalist exploitation, and a united struggle for socialist change as the basis for a just and lasting peace in the North.”
And they asked the assembled comrades for any suggestions of simple first steps that could be taken to advance this aim.
My mate put up his hand and said “Maybe we could all marry one”.

Baby step enough for you? Pious enough?

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11. Paddy Healy - September 30, 2019

Suggestions by Mick Barry TD that Paul Murphy has moved away from advocating united front activity with Sinn Féin because Sinn Féin is now prepared to enter coalition government with FF and/or FG are incorrect. Paul Murphy’s statement advocating such activity was issued in early 2019. Sinn Fein had decided to negotiate coalition government with FF or FG, even as a minority partner, in 2017
Cormac Quinn, Irish Independent, November 17 2017
“SINN Féin’s Ard Fheis has approved a proposal that will, for the first time, allow the party to enter government in the Republic even in circumstances where it is a junior coalition partner.”
Full Documentation https://wp.me/pKzXa-1fv
The Green Party has long been open to coalition with FF or FG

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12. Too much (left) choice! | The Cedar Lounge Revolution - October 1, 2019

[…] First up, and dealt with here by IEL, the appearance of RISE. […]

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13. Joe - October 1, 2019

Just on those names though. Éirigí and Rise. They’re not really very Irish though are they? Like, they jar, to me anyway. They’re commands, barks almost. That’s not the Irish way. Éirigí means literally Get Up or Rise. It’s an order.
Surely, if these groups want to connect with Irish people and the Irish psyche, they’d make it more natural. Something like: “Sorry to bother ye now, but would ye mind gettin’ up there for a minute or two”.

Listen, don’t take this post too seriously, I’m only trying to get a rise out of yis.

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14. Alibaba - October 3, 2019

Is the earth habitable? That is the key issue for up grabs and it’s not in the far flung future. Climate inequality is the issue of our time. The rich will look after themselves but millions will die in floods, of heat or be seriously injured by its ill effects. Anybody who wants to make propaganda around this has my approval. Insofar as Murphy’s new group gives it a priority, I wish them well. But unless they can mobilise workers to take action about it and connect them up with the youth …

I dislike RISE’s awful position on the national question and presumably same on Brexit. Let’s hope that could be up for change.

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