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(New) Dáil Report! February 20, 2020

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Well now. Some entertaining speeches this afternoon, not least one from one of those nominating Micheál Martin which went somewhat over the top in praising him. But to what purpose was all this for? Perhaps most striking to me was – entirely reasonably from their perspective, were some of the speeches supporting a SF Taoiseach from the further left which sounded, well, far far from enthusiastic. Can’t blame them, but I wonder how this plays further afield amongst voters. Meanwhile Connolly and Collins speeches were pretty good.

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1. greatbigeejit - February 20, 2020

Anyone familiar with the SP’s usual approach to SF or with the arguments they had about SF with the people who split from them in recent times will have found it hard to suppress a wry chuckle at them voting for McDonald for Taoiseach. And at their explanatory statement declaring that absolutely nothing has changed.

I don’t really want to mock them for doing the right thing in spite of their instincts, but Hod it’s hard to resist.

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Jolly Red Giant - February 20, 2020

Go on – admit it – you really enjoyed putting up that nonsense.

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greatbigeejit - February 20, 2020

Of course I enjoyed it JRG. Watching people go

From screeching about how Protestant workers in the North would be permanently alienated from the cause of socialism if the SP turned down its angry shrieking about Sinn Fein even half a notch to voting for an SF Taoiseach is a funny journey. Putting out an explanation claiming that nothing has changed is funnier still. It reads as if they let you write it.

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Jolly Red Giant - February 20, 2020

So you believe that the issue of SF imposing austerity in the Noth while in bed with the sectarian bigots of the DUP should be conveniently ignored?

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greatbigeejit - February 21, 2020

Yes of course the only options when assessing or dealing with Sinn Fein are the SP’s customary shrieking or uncritical whitewashing.

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Jolly Red Giant - February 21, 2020

I take that this means we should ignored the antics of SF in the North then ?

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Jenny M - February 20, 2020

The arguments in the SP with the people who split from them were not so much about Sinn Fein per se, but more about the tendency by those people to tail-end and clumsily sow illusions in whatever they saw as the next big thing, which began with SF, but led on to the Soc Dems briefly and then eventually to the Green Party.

The position the SP has put forward today is basically the continuation of the position they outlined in public statements in 2015/16 about what they would do in the event of a significant vote for a government without FF or FG (which obviously didn’t transpire then).

So their position is absolutely consistent, what’s changed is that SF following their electoral success are seen as a much more credible political alternative than was ever the case until now.

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Jolly Red Giant - February 20, 2020

well said Jenny

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greatbigeejit - February 21, 2020

Amazing how the crimes of those who disagree with Kevin McLoughlin seem to change all the time while the approach of the Socialist Party, despite the misleading evidence of our lying eyes, has remained unchanging. Not just over the last year, or over the last 40 as JRG keeps telling us.

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Jenny M - February 21, 2020

More amazing still is the bitterness of some towards the SP. Don’t let it consume you, greatbigeejit.

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greatbigeejit - February 21, 2020

Bitterness? Far from it. I’m getting free entertainment seeing the most self-serious, self-important people in Ireland do something they hate while simultaneously issuing stern statements that they always wanted to do it. If you were capable of laughing at yourselves even occasionally or less obsessed with showing that no matter how things may appear to people with eyes, nothing about your views has changed, has ever changed in the past or will ever change before an exploding Sun consumes our solar system, it wouldn’t be half as funny.

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Jenny M - February 21, 2020

Yes, you’re not bitter at all… this is a perfectly healthy obsession you have with the “the most self important people in Ireland”.

Good luck with that.

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2. Alibaba - February 21, 2020

I don’t hold with some of the politics of the SP, least of all on the national question. That said, I do believe it is in the nature of a tactic that you can do certain things rightly while declaring caveats and/or while holding your nose.

As mentioned by Jenny M ‘SF following their electoral success are seen as a much more credible political alternative than was ever the case until now.’ When SF offered the prospect of a minority Left government, voting for McDonald was a legitimate tactic. And that, I believe, is to be welcomed. A sharp critique by posters is fair enough, but responded to with those snarky comments I see here is deeply unconvincing to me.

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